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western aligned, but not white aligned, japan is pretty hostile to immigrants, the only white ones they let in are wealthy ones, and the ones married to a japanese spouse. an example pewpewdie, white westerners are useful propaganda for alot of asian countries, china is the other that loves them too but for other reasons.
Please name a group/country/race/tribe that didn’t, in the history of humankind, colonize other lands/people? The world has somewhat tried to stop it now and use legalese and influence more than war but it is still happening. Places that were ‘colonized’ by Europe in the 1400-1900s were colonizing over others in their territories for the thousands of years before Europeans arrived.
Yeah. Those Chinese samurai’s were the shit back in the day!
Japan is a colonialist country which commited atrocities as bad as any western country, except maybe Belgium, and doesn’t even acknowledge that what they did was wrong. All their neighbors, even South Korea and Taiwan, have feelings of resentment towards them because of this, even if there is a decent amount of cooperation between them.
But who cares about the skin color of their allies, or which other historical cultures influenced their culture?
It’s just justifications for attacking some nation. “Oh they’ve always been technically part of our country anyway, just these wrong people have taken over so we need to liberate them” or some shit
They didn’t steal their culture from China any more than America stole ours from the UK. They’re the descendants of Chinese people who killed the majority of the people who already lived there
There’s also a theory that they might have been from the Korean peninsula.
This kind of tangentially reminds me of one of the all time takes of all time on tumblr, where someone was saying it’s racist to learn a foreign language (but only for white people of course).
Linguistic appropriation?
This is why the general public hate leftists.
they sound like CONSERVtives to be honest, use the same buzzwords, same rhetoric, trying to sound “not racist”
Well, there’s also half a century of McCarthyism, and a full century of general red scares
Sure, but incoherent racial McCarthyism gave them a bad reputation in the era of social media.
It’s not really a valid criticism of something as broad as “leftists”. If you think all leftists are annoying because of twitter warriors, you should also think all conservatives are awful, hateful, evil people because of neo-nazis, KKK, and similarly aligned hate groups.
I know you’re not necessarily saying yourself (I’m using the royal “you”), but my point is… the people that “hate leftists” based on stuff like this are kinda just too stupid. The general public is too stupid. We need better education. Unfortunately, only the left wants that, and nobody will listen, because the general public is too stupid.
It’s a catch-22, but ultimately, the blame does not lie with the leftists. It lies with the general public.
I never said I blamed leftist, I blamed people who post shit like this. The public being stupid and easily manipulated also doesn’t help.
No worries, maybe you missed it, so I’ll repeat:
I know you’re not necessarily saying yourself (I’m using the royal “you”)
Conservatives are a group of pedo conmen.
Well, yeah, Japan is just China, Ukraine is just Russia. Haven’t you read any theory?
“Anti-imperialism is when you support empires denigrating their former subjects and partners as fake nations undeserving of sovereignty”
Truly my theory was lacking until now 😭
This is a great meme. :)
The real white supremacists are checks notes asian countries opposing China. Huh. Well TIL.
White-aligned
What.
Didn’t you know white is a political affiliation?
Isn’t white just normal while black is political?
I prefer radical turquoise fiscal policies myself
I mean, how far from truth is this?
Their culture and language is stolen from China, even to a point where scholars look into japanese to learn how chinese characters were read over a thousand years ago. Ramen is from China, even though many people consider it japanese.
They were subjugated by the US, before being part of the Axis.
So it’s not that far.
I mean, the Chinese only stole their language and culture from proto-tibetan nomads migrating from the middle east so it wasn’t really theirs to begin with :/
And noodles are just a perverse bastardization of breads and other grain products from those middle-easter cultures.
Really makes you think about things and stuff.
Yes.
Everything is connected, and we all share history in some way.
I feel you! After I stole my language from my parents I learned our alphabet and numbers are also stolen and that I don’t even talk the same language as my forefathers :(
I also pity anyone thinking they could invent their own pasta dish and act as its part of their culture. Noodles were invented in China, why doesn’t Japan/Italy/the rest of the world get that!?
China is just in such a unique position: their culture and language handcrafted over millennia by only the finest Han-Chinese, without any influence by any surrounding country like Mongolia. Just pure perfection.
Nobody suggested anything of sorts, and I admit that the word ‘steal’ is not quite right, but I mean what is when you talk about 1600 year old history.
Japanese culture has some overlap with Chinese culture, but they existed separately long before the cultural exchange.
And the funny thing about the Japanese writing system is that they tried to write Japanese in pure Chinese characters but failed, so instead they invented kana and ended up with three different alphabets.
Still, the Kanji has become so uniquely Japanese that Chinese and Japanese are generally unintelligible between speakers who know the same characters because they often mean different things in their own language.
Yeah, because chinese evolved, while japanese preserved the ‘original’ reading and meaning.
The Japanese kept the traditional forms but that doesn’t mean that they share the same meanings or that the Kanji are used in the same contexts to refer to the same things. The videos I shared touch on this. For example, 大丈夫 would confuse any Chinese reader of they had never come across the phrase before.
The pronunciations also evolved in Japanese. Kanji often have multiple on-yomi (Chinese) readings that changed depending on the era and the contemporary culture. And even then, those were interpretations of the Chinese pronunciations which sometimes don’t sound anything like Chinese.
I recommend reading the Kanji blog Fuusen no Arare if you study Japanese. It usually separates the on-yomi readings into go-on and kan-on, which are usually lumped together in other sources.
Their culture and language is stolen from China,
Fucking what.
Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s not even the same language family.
Ramen is from China,
Are you being fucking serious right now
They were subjugated by the US, before being part of the Axis.
what.
I guess they’re either talking about the writing system (kanji) or loanwords from Sinitic languages? Either way, it doesn’t support the argument in a substantial way.
Ramen is widely a considered to be a “Chinese” dish here, so that much I think you can let slide, although it bears little resemblance of any kind of Chinese noodle dish I can think of. As far as I know, it originated from Chinese restaurants in Japan during the Bakumatsu to Meiji era.
Not so much upset about ramen being considered Chinese so much as “Japanese culture is just Chinese culture because of a shared dish”
Oh man you are in for a rocky time when you learn how to actually talk to a Japanese person.
He’s not going to be able to speak to any Japanese person in Chinese, if that’s what you believe will happen.
I’m not sure what are you 'what’ing me about.
Sino-Japanese vocabulary
A sprachbund does not a stolen language make.
Ramen - origin
The ‘what’ isn’t about ramen’s ‘actual’ origin, the what is about trying to define a culture as ‘stolen’ because of shared fucking cuisine.
Second Sino-Japanese War
What the ever-loving fuck does that have to do with
“They were subjugated by the US, before being part of the Axis.”
Btw, all cultures that have dumpling/ravioli/pierogi/potstickers are actually the same. /s
I can only assume they’re referring to when Japan was forced out of isolationism.
So English is stolen from French? Loanwords are exactly that. As Pugjesus has mentioned, Japanese isn’t even from the same language family as Chinese.
And also yes, like nobody argues that english is some miracle new language, every linguist knows it’s a mashup of other languages.
60% is a significant portion.
The Sino-Japanese vocabulary page has this very important point:
It has been estimated that about 60% of the words contained in modern Japanese dictionaries are kango,[1] and that about 18–20% of words used in common speech are kango.[a] The usage of such kango words increases in formal or literary contexts, and in expressions of abstract or complex ideas.[2]
Consider educating yourself about Japan before making comments about a country you don’t understand.
