I guess they’re either talking about the writing system (kanji) or loanwords from Sinitic languages? Either way, it doesn’t support the argument in a substantial way.
Ramen is widely a considered to be a “Chinese” dish here, so that much I think you can let slide, although it bears little resemblance of any kind of Chinese noodle dish I can think of. As far as I know, it originated from Chinese restaurants in Japan during the Bakumatsu to Meiji era.
The Sino-Japanese vocabulary page has this very important point:
It has been estimated that about 60% of the words contained in modern Japanese dictionaries are kango,[1] and that about 18–20% of words used in common speech are kango.[a] The usage of such kango words increases in formal or literary contexts, and in expressions of abstract or complex ideas.[2]
Fucking what.
Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s not even the same language family.
Are you being fucking serious right now
what.
I guess they’re either talking about the writing system (kanji) or loanwords from Sinitic languages? Either way, it doesn’t support the argument in a substantial way.
Ramen is widely a considered to be a “Chinese” dish here, so that much I think you can let slide, although it bears little resemblance of any kind of Chinese noodle dish I can think of. As far as I know, it originated from Chinese restaurants in Japan during the Bakumatsu to Meiji era.
Not so much upset about ramen being considered Chinese so much as “Japanese culture is just Chinese culture because of a shared dish”
Oh man you are in for a rocky time when you learn how to actually talk to a Japanese person.
He’s not going to be able to speak to any Japanese person in Chinese, if that’s what you believe will happen.
Sino-Japanese vocabulary
Cultural imports
Ramen - origin
Second Sino-Japanese War
I’m not sure what are you 'what’ing me about.
A sprachbund does not a stolen language make.
The ‘what’ isn’t about ramen’s ‘actual’ origin, the what is about trying to define a culture as ‘stolen’ because of shared fucking cuisine.
What the ever-loving fuck does that have to do with
“They were subjugated by the US, before being part of the Axis.”
Btw, all cultures that have dumpling/ravioli/pierogi/potstickers are actually the same. /s
I can only assume they’re referring to when Japan was forced out of isolationism.
So English is stolen from French? Loanwords are exactly that. As Pugjesus has mentioned, Japanese isn’t even from the same language family as Chinese.
And also yes, like nobody argues that english is some miracle new language, every linguist knows it’s a mashup of other languages.
60% is a significant portion.
The Sino-Japanese vocabulary page has this very important point: