• MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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    In a world that made sense, U.S forces would also say they’re ready to join with Denmark in defending Greenland.

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    I really hope Canada joins in.

    It would fuck trade negotiations a bit, but a useful outcome isn’t guaranteed there, and if Greenland falls the loss of our own sovereignty almost is.

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      I’d be okay with the rest of the world freezing out the U.S. No one needs them anyway.

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        The problem is that the second part really isn’t true. They’ve been relied on for a whole lot. It’s very painful to move on even if the relationship seems unsalvagable, and so there’s a lot of hopium out there about waiting this presidential term out and then everything goes back to normal.

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      The Toronto Star, which I do not fully trust, says that Canada will not be sending troops

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        I can’t see Carney committing troops. He seems firmly committed to appeasement, which never works and will signal to the USA that Canada is wide open for the taking. His whole “elbows up” thing magically melted away the day after he won the election.

        “The Canadian Armed Forces are not initiating any new operations at this time,” said government sources, adding that Canada stands “shoulder-to-shoulder” with the people of Denmark and Greenland, which is an autonomous Danish territory.

        Standing shoulder to shoulder kind of requires actually standing shoulder to shoulder though. Otherwise it looks like calling “I’m right behind you” while running the other way. And this doesn’t send a strong message of solidarity to the USA.

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          The extent of how much I hate Carney cannot be overstate. The fact that he wants to pass multiple patriot act type bills that readily share information on Canadians with both US government and private agencies is just the final straw for me.

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          You have to factor in how much more words matter to Trump than anything else. If I was Carney I’d probably sound the same - in public.

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      That is right you guys send an expidition to politely lower the other’s flag on some god forsaken island, ellesmere maybe, and raise your own flag. Then take the liter of liquor the danes left for you when they claimed it, leaving your own liter of liquor for them. As I heard anyway, idk how many times but I think a few at least.

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        ellesmere

        Hah! That’s actually geographically significant, and might have some kind of resources.

        It was Hans, which is 1km2 and definitely has nothing. Eventually we ended the decades long sorta-war by splitting it along the obvious fissure provided. So smart, so worth it. /s

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    What if it’s all a big misdirect and Trump invades Denmark while the army is away.

    THINK ABOUT IT

    /s

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    I’m so SICK! Of people Not letting Pedophiles get WHATEVER they Want! If Trump wants Greenland just GIVE It to Him like it was a Pregnant 13 Year old Girl! WOMAN!

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    I’ve heard one analyst say that the most probable end of all this is just a very bad “deal” for Danemark. Trump and his goons throw the worst things around so people panic and want to negociate, and in the end they accept way worse than they were willing to accept in the first place, while feeling relieved that things didn’t end up worse. It’s what he’s done with Ukraine already.

    No idea if this will be true in the end or if he’s really in to apply Project 2025 to the letter, but it’s good that NATO members fight back at least.

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      I think this is often the case with Trump. However, when this does happen, at some point along the way there’s usually hints dropped about what kind of “deal” could be made (like agreeing to buy a bunch of US military equipment). But with Greenland, there has been no indication at all that Trump is interested in budging from full ownership of the island.

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        You’re right, it stinks quite bad. Thankfully our militaires probably have until mid-spring or summer to prepare. It would be even more suicidal than it is now for the US to attack in winter.

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      What’s even there to deal on Greenland and Denmark? Denmark is not in any conundrum. If USA invades Greenland, they will lose. There is not even an American public support to invade Greenland. Despite the moral flaws of American military, many US soldiers will feel bad about invading a clearly peaceful and democratic country.

      All this nonsense is Trump’s attempt to distract the people from the Epstein files. That’s how sad Trump and his administration is.

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        Despite the moral flaws of American military, many US soldiers will feel bad about invading a clearly peaceful and democratic country.

        US troops arent even bothered about invading their own cities and killing people on home soil… what makes you think they would think twice about invading and killing foreigners?

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          They happily murdered Iraqi civilians in the streets for years. The guy who shot Renee Good is a former US soldier in Iraq. I don’t think the US military is actually full of courageous individuals who will take a stand against illegal orders based on a rock solid morality.

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          It’s been reported that the morale of the National Guards and Marines was really low when they were deployed to LA, questioning why they were there to against fellow Americans. Not everyone has the compunction of ICE.

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      Analysts are the last ones to listen to nowadays. They cannot be honest if they even understood. Look at how none even recognized venezuela as a military coup, a deal made with their generals to make them de facto rulers under the us.

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    Maybe it’s 12D chess! Trump threatens Greenland, NATO sends troop out of Europe to defend it, now Europe is less defended!

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      I don’t know much about Thule but the area around the base is probably too inhospitable to keep troops around it. Likewise it’s too remote for fascist troops within the base to threaten the populated areas in the south.

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        I don’t think he’s interested in the populated areas in the south. If there’s anything he’s interested in, it’s more likely the minerals. What he would probably like is for US companies to go there and take those minerals. But if they do that without Danish permission, Danish forces can come and kick them out. What would happen if he lands US troops illegally in that inhospitable corner to protect such an illegal operation?

        Fighting over Greenland is really hard, because it’s mostly empty and inhospitable. What he really wants is for everybody to simply recognise it’s his, but how do you get there? It’s not working for Putin, it’s not working in Venezuela.

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          If there’s anything he’s interested in, it’s more likely the minerals. What he would probably like is for US companies to go there and take those minerals

          If if was economically feasible to mine there, Denmark would already be doing it. Capitalism demands this.

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    This isn’t about defending Greenland militarily, but about increasing the diplomatic cost to the US to use any force. That’s why other European countries are also sending a few troops.

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      The political message from Europe has to be clear and forceful: If you touch Greenland, that will be the end of US military bases on the European continent (including Ramstein). Also economic sanctions and asset freezes/seizures for the Trump clan and key members of the administration.

      Will that hurt europe? Will it erode our security guarantees against Russia? Yeah a lot.

      But rather be on clear terms now and plan accordingly, than remaining Trumps bitch and very likely be let down anyways when push comes to shove

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        Europe does not need america. Not if they get their shit together, forestall their own fascist coups at the ballot by fielding real leaders with popular reform. They will not of course though. The western establishment is as dumb and corrupt as the democrats though so will fall.

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          No-one “needs” anyone but economics aren’t a zero-sum game and both the EU and the US benefited enormously from our economic and military ties, and cutting those ties will be painful and the faster it happens the more painful it will be.

          If we employ the economic nukes against the US right now, we will lose most digital payment systems for a few weeks as countries and bunks rush to implement Wero and the digital Euro, and we will face strong gas shortages as we currently rely on the US to make up for Russia’s. Europe and NA would immediately enter into a deep recession.

          The payment systems are a hugely understated threat but are being worked on actively. The fossil fuels aren’t understated but we also lack short-term solutions as electrification takes time (but also we aren’t doing nearly enough).

          However it is true that the EU is profoundly neoliberal and that ideology is very ill-equipped to deal with a fragmented world order in which free trade is no longer the default. Those assumptions are being challenged, however the far-right seems primed to bring about the populist “solution” of turning Europe into a bunch of mini-Russias.

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            Well that natural gas is blood gas. Fracked from lands, oil majors poison aqifers and destabilize faults, and deny it, leaving homeowners with poisoned aquifers, and air.

            So that is best case scenario for regular people in the US, to keep prices down below where oil majors pay politicians to send us to an early grave for a buck.

            I live on shale, luckily the wells were a bust so they went to greener pastures for now. They are busy turning environmental protesters, into terrorists, state by state and feds are working on it.

            It would be a perfect chance to get into renewables. Obviously you will instead do nuclear but this could be an opportunity to bypass fossil fuels and generate electicity from temperature differences with mediums that boil in that range. You could heat with that. Also more geothermal, starting out with air brought to ground temperature of 50 f year round 6 feet down.

            Getting off us payments has to be done, the world needs competition, the us is abusing sanctions more every year. It will help everyone getting competition in there, and tech. But your politicians are surrendering you to tech with age checks and chat control and however else they retrofit that rejected trojan horse into a trojan sheep your influencers keep trying to convince you all to bring inside the walls.

            Seriously, you need new popular politicians or will follow the us, and uk.

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              I agree fossil fuels are bad and renewables are good, but electric heat pumps aren’t going to be deployed in every house over the summer no matter how violent the price shock. To go green we need industrial capacity, lots of it, and a ton of political will that the far-right simply does not possess because they’d rather buy Russian gas in exchange for campaign financing.

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                Central heating and cooling. Pool resources, funding streams, build one geothermal to service a bunch of homes. Not a cure all, but it could make jobs too.

                Then looking at new ways to make energy like the temperature differences.

                It is not theoreticsl, oil just quashed it. The us navy has for decades had floating generators for tropical waters boiling and cooling ammonia at 80f surface and 60f below temps.

                Other mediums could be utilized, and you guys need energy, it is the perfect time to go around big oil if you could keep them from sabotaging it. Where a river meets a lake or ocean, ground to water temperatures, energy could be added to help it along. While water expands the most at 16k volume, others expand as well.

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        The political message from Europe has to be clear and forceful: If you touch Greenland, that will be the end of US military bases on the European continent (including Ramstein).

        Nobody actually said that, there’s an US military base in greenland already.

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          Yeah but that’s the point. Either you run your bases in cooperation with the host countries, or your established military presence becomes too great of a threat to the sovereignty of the host country to be allowed to continue

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          That’s what’s so fucked up about all this. USA have downsized their military presence on Greenland by 99% since its peak. Neither Greenland, nor Denmark has opposed them to scale up again. They (Denmark/Greenland) have also declared they’re willing to let US mine for resources.

          This seems like nothing but a fixation in Trump about increasing US land area, to boost his personal legacy.

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            It is putin’s bidding, prez does not have the juice to pull out of nato otherwise.

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        But while Europe is busy with Greenland, at the home front the door is wide open, unprotected from the threats from the east.

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          You have to meet the enemy where they land. Trump getting Denmark without a fight is same as Russia getting it without a fight.

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          That’s a thing they’re of course considering. European nationa obviously won’t send 100 000 troops to Greenland.

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    The orange cancer don’t care. It’s not like HIS LIFE is on the line. He’d send all of the troops, killing many of them and our once allies, just to assuage his fucking ego.

    Disgusting disgraceful filth.