I’m guessing you knew what I meant there, right? Why would a moral god make a planet where most people die in agony, usually as kids, for most of history? That’s direct evidence against.

Still works if the electron is a wave the whole time. You just get a detector and a physicist in multiple states as well. That’s the multiple worlds interpretation.

There’s a bunch of other models, like collapse existing, but being caused by size or gravity. Collapse by consciousness is a “possibility” really only pseudoscientists are selling. I think OP mentioned Chopra.

Guns are a great example under “accepting we’re mortals in an ugly world”, actually. Nobody is seriously claiming they’re going away, but the way they’re talked about by the left, you would think undoing a technology is on the table.

I mean, you can still want more gun control, and most other nations have gone that way, but the only people mentioning they’ll still be around in some way tend to be on the right - because that’s ugly.

For example: the US flag. It has become a stereotype in the US that if you fly an American flag on your house or car, you are a conservative/right-wing nationalist. “America bad” is a lefty stereotype for good reason.

Fun fact, it was leaking into Canada for a while. Unnecessary maple leafs meant you probably didn’t like vaccines or Trudeau. Then you guys (well, Trump; we know there’s another party) talked about annexing us and made patriotism neutral again. Thanks?

January 6th was a weapons demonstration, not a real attempt at coup.

That’s an interesting way of looking at it, although I’m not convinced it wasn’t just stupidity on their part. The right also have hangups that will self-correct, in their own way.

That’s kind of what I was going to say about tribalism as a force, too. Nobody turns their noses up at an Irish name today, and nobody will be impressed by lifted pickups and ill-informed scriptural references in the future. The idea of elected representatives has been around for centuries, though.

I know that I have subjective experience.

Yeah, but that’s the thing. How do we know that? There’s no evidence, nobody can tell you how there’s more to red or blue than the words, even if everyone agrees on it. Aside from occurring in “normal” people, it doesn’t seem any different from the next psychological fixed belief. Even if you’re a Platonist or similar and don’t need evidence, a concept defined by what it’s not is challenging to justify.

You mention emergence here as well, but I’m not sure that’s either required or implied by qualia. In many cases it can actually be modeled mathematically, as well, while qualia hasn’t been touched.

No they don’t. Or, maybe, depending on what you mean by “observed”. A consciousness doesn’t have to be involved in any case.

Sure, Materialism is slippery to define. OP gave the counterexamples of Dualism and Idealism, though, so you can just go off of those. Most people still believe in Dualism, even.

Not OP. I was agreeing with you, haha.

Caring about tech issues seems more like a gen X/Millennial thing to me. Most of gen Z hasn’t figured out the problem yet; most older people just see a magic box. Obviously there’s exceptions at both ends.

Conservative-coding of things that are actually just healthy personality balance is a real thing. Bravery, duty and basic acceptance we’re mortals in an ugly world also come to mind.

There’s enough history written down to say for sure it’s going to self correct. Hopefully not in the “everyone like that went to a camp, but some of their ideas found a new audience a century later” way.

You must have a very left-leaning sample of boomers.

Yeah, I’m still not used to those either.

Since this is Lemmy, I’m required to ask if you’ve considered a custom ROM.

Another vote for Rexodus.

It’s kind of the problem with Lemmy sometimes.

If you’re okay with an amoral God, that one’s plausible but unfalsifiable, true. To have an afterlife you need a soul, though, and every part of the mind is right there in flesh for surgeons to watch break down.

A possibility which an intelligent organism discounts in decision-making.

What about biology? What if one day a neurologist finds the brain part that creates the illusion you’re not just a brain?

Which evolves deterministically undisturbed, or with complete randomness if you pick an interpretation that accepts the literal existence of measurement. Free will is very specifically neither of those.

I mean, taking a stance that living beings have no consciousness, sentience or free will totally distinct from inanimate objects would be the simplest hypothesis, and is also what the models predict.

In the sense philosophers mean it, that’s still material. A visible chunk wouldn’t even look or act different until you graze a few atoms and explode.