Link, for anyone else curious. I’m actually learning some things.

Empathy is good, I’m glad you found it. And I hope you “ascend” (one of the things I learnt), because few people can’t.

Huh. So the depression was using up so much mental bandwidth it made the difference between being able to reflect and improve and not being able to. Interesting. I’m glad you’ve figured it out.

Parents modeling shitty behavior definitely happens, but usually kids gravitate towards or away from it pretty continuously, depending on their own personality.

That’s true. Or at least, it won’t directly. There are other people in the thread that had better luck as soon as they changed their attitude a bit, but I don’t know your situation and can’t guarantee anything.

It’s more a question of if you’ve actually left the movement, or actually were in it in the first place. It’s called “incel”, but it’s specifically about blaming women for said celibacy. And it makes a world of difference to other people if you blame them, or maybe even wish them harm.

Ah, okay. With the bad stuff people do literally just announce it sometimes.

And it was depression that was keeping you in that mindset?

I don’t have so much advice around this because around the time I heard about incels I looked at the subreddit and the thought occurred to me "if I want to have any relationship with a woman, of any kind, if I wanted to relate and communicate with them, then investing time with a group of people who self professed an inability to do so would be a waste of time.

Brilliant observation. I wish more people made it.

Wow, congratulation on coming all the way back from that!

Are you still angry at women for it?

Ah yes, all nonstandard behavior is gay. What a very intelligent and non-nonsensical way to sort the world. /s

“When people tell you who they are, believe them. The good and the bad.”

Hmm. Good too? I usually take the bragging with a grain of salt.

If you talk about how you’re a cheater, or signal affinity with a hate group, or just are rude to waiters I’m certainly not going to forget that, though.

I mean, I’m guessing OP eventually actually did it, so maybe or maybe not.

Ask you friends about the kinds of women they like (I’m assuming Incels are almost all strait guys). I almost guarantee most of them will have different preferences. Look around at the people you know with partners. The whole spectrum of people out there have all different kinds of partners. You don’t have to be a Chris Hemsworth type, or a Taylor Swift type. Most people aren’t professionally hot, and they still date and fuck all the time. Re calibrate your expectations, for you partner sure, but also yourself.

I’ve noticed women seem to fall into the “one ideal body” kind of thinking quite often as well. Obviously, the resulting breakdown takes different forms than inceldom, but they’re still plenty bad.

Oh boy, if she actually understood AI there’d be a whole other layer to deal with. As it is, she continues to believe her fixed delusions, but also can’t support them, so most of the time we can just ignore it and interact normally.

A new study led by psychologists from UNSW Sydney has provided the strongest evidence yet that auditory verbal hallucinations – or hearing voices – in schizophrenia may stem from a disruption in the brain’s ability to recognise its own inner voice.

That’s pretty interesting. Schizophrenic voices sound like they can be pretty different from a typical internal monologue, I wonder how that comes about. (And if it’s related to how dreams end up being like dreams, I always wonder how I could be manufacturing those myself)

There’s also the noted tendency for them to be negative or bullying in the first world, while people in poorer regions have neutral or friendly voices.

If you’re not going to lash out or try to reverse it somehow, I guess that’s a perfectly healthy way to look at it.

IIT most people are going the other way, but IRL I think this is how the vast majority operates.

That being said, the psychotic person I deal with quite often has pretty similar reasoning about the people sneaking into her house and moving things around (it’s always her, there’s even cameras but she was there, dammit, regardless of what’s on the screen).

I would assume it’s psychosis and let everyone know I’m going crazy and need supervision. That seems way more likely that someone magically disappearing.

Ooh, the gradually downwards-curving ones always do it for me.

You’re welcome! I have no idea how I stumbled across it now, haha.

I’m guessing that these Jews always understood anybody could be sucked into fascism. The ones that were willing to reduce the Holocaust and WWII to German ethnicity aren’t going to have a problem reducing Israel-Palestine to Palestinian ethnicity either.

Add ethnicities to that list, which is the main driver here, although religious Zionism is present and growing. The Nazis weren’t particularly pious either,