Those over 18 who don’t vote, don’t count.

Democracy doesn’t work.

Do you grasp that this is an opinion? Because you keep stating it like it’s fact.

The part about our history you’re forgetting is that we never, through any of that, gleefully elected a guy that has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t give a fuck about democracy and will work to subvert or destroy it if it doesn’t suit him.

This is new territory.

And we’re about to experience the deconstruction of things that will be very difficult to build back.

Your point is that we’ve been around for a few hundred years, so we can bounce back. But history would like to point out that nations that were around much longer than us have ceased to exist many times over.

I wish I had your optimism.

Rome had a final chapter.

You probably don’t.

Even with a contentious subject like abortion. That’s a disagreement about a specific topic. You can reach a middle ground. It’s one of many topics to debate over and forge legislation regarding.

But the majority gleefully electing a guy that effectively looked us all straight in the face and said “I don’t give a fuck about democracy and will attempt to subvert or overthrow it if it doesn’t suit me”? Yeah, there’s really no recovering from that. At least not without a long period of serious decline and suffering, followed by lots of struggle and death to earn back what we lose.

We disrespected the shit out of our democracy and everyone that fought/died for it. There’s no way that ends well.

Yes.

In my opinion we’ve already passed the point of no return and recent events have just confirmed as much.

This isn’t about having differing political opinions. A profoundly unfit, amoral criminal with a very public history of being an awful person came along and started spewing extremely dangerous rhetoric, some of which is almost verbatim to Hitler’s, and our society ate it up and made him president in 2016. This man, who leads a party who courts racists/sexists for their votes, utterly failed his tenure as president, bombing his response to the greatest American crisis since WW2 and presiding over the highest White House administration turnover rate in U.S. history. Since then he has become a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, and illegally attempted to overturn our democratic institutions by various means.

This go around the American people were presented with a choice between that person, who only managed to make himself appear even more unfit during this campaign season, openly stated he is anti-worker rights, and is directly responsible for removing women’s federally protected right to bodily autonomy, or a successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law, backed by a party that, despite misinformation, has a voting history proving they vote in favor of the average American FAR more than the opposing party…and Americans STILL managed to drop the ball and go with the CLEARLY worse choice. And when I say clearly, I’m talking about by every conceivable metric that exists in reality.

At this point it isn’t about Democrat vs Republican or Trump vs Kamala or Biden. It’s about the American people. We are not a society of intelligent voters. We have failed our responsibility as citizens in a democracy by being too lazy to learn and by allowing misinformation to mislead us and emotions to cloud our better judgement. We are not engaged in responsible involvement in our own politics. We gleefully elect people that only offer hate and fear and lies, despite how hard they try to prove how awful they are to us. And THAT is why we have passed the point of no return. If you remove the parties and the politicians out of the equation, you still have a society that fails at responsibly preserving a democracy. That gives in to hateful rhetoric and fear. That wants to get the better of the “others”.

There is no happy ending for a society like that. A society like that can only decline. This was not an election about one political ideology against another. It was an election about morality. And we categorically failed that moral test.

There are excuses. We’ve been through a lot. Lots of people are desperate. Desperate people make bad decisions. But the bottom line is we don’t live in a society with a majority of responsible adults making responsible, fact-based decisions about the most important things.

In the arc of history we may end up reaching a better place, but personally I believe we’re embarking on a decline that will most likely last the rest of our lives. It simply isn’t a problem that can be fixed short term. And we’re about to experience a sort of deconstruction. A deconstruction of norms. A deconstruction of institutions. A deconstruction of education and safety nets. And those things take a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to build back, because it’s easier to destroy than it is to create or maintain.

Buckle up. Try to find happiness where you can. It’s probably not getting better anytime soon.

Good. I hope she suffers. She is apparently one of the knuckle draggers who can only learn the hard way.

The sooner you realize the vast majority of humans are simply not very intelligent, the more everything starts making sense. And the more depressed you will be.

Doesn’t matter.

Democrats will always be held to an unattainably high standard while Republicans are held to literally none.

Trump supporters unironically walked around wearing “I’m voting for the felon” merchandise. They support criminals because they admire criminals, as long as the criminals are on their team.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds, so they will look you straight in the eye and say a democrat is the anti-christ for attempting a fake electors scheme, despite their guy having done so himself.

None of this matters. Because Americans don’t care. Because Americans aren’t responsible democratic citizens. Which is why we’re experiencing a decline we won’t be crawling out of anytime soon.

Newsflash.

It just happened.

A bunch of ignorant, gullible fools were led to believe a literal convicted felon and rapist who has openly stated he is anti-worker rights, leading a party with a long history of voting against average Americans was a better option than a successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law, leading a party with a long history of voting in favor of average Americans.

We don’t need to imagine a “what if humans are stupid and easily misled” scenario. That is the reality we exist in.

Okay 13 day old account created the day after the election

I don’t fucking care. Your amateur detective skills don’t mean shit. You haven’t achieved some kind of gotcha.

Like did you create the account just to spread pessimism and really believe that’s the best way forward?

No, I created the account to escape fools like you on Reddit. It didn’t work.

Reality has more nuisances than good guys and bad guys

Not always. And it’s “nuances” not “nuisances”.

You’d rather side with a Trump supporter than someone who refuses to vote for genocide? That says a lot.

When, exactly, did I say I’d side with a Trump supporter.

I stated that I believe Trump supporters and fools who voted 3rd party, abstained from voting, or were single issue voters are all idiots and are responsible for the garbage situation we find ourselves in.

Before the election anyone with a brain was trying to desperately explain to these 3rd party, single issue, non-voting fools that their inability to grow up and make intelligent adult decisions would gift Trump the presidency.

AND THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED.

I’m not taking sides between them. They’re idiots across the board. I was simply expressing that at least a Trump supporter is an obvious idiot, whereas these other fools went out of their way to be idiots.

Idiots: I can’t vote for genocide.

Also Idiots: Oops, Donald Trump is president now and he’s even worse for Palestine.

Humans aren’t intrinsically anything

I entreat you to lookup the word “instinct” in the dictionary.

It is in our nature to consume. The more we use our unique brains to invent more things, the more we consume and the more waste we produce. We literally cannot reach a zero waste scenario unless we lost our capacity to be sentient and creative and literally lived as animals again.

The moment our brains started doing something more than what animal brains do is the moment this planet was doomed. We literally cannot do anything other than quickly, or maybe hopefully slowly, exhaust all the resources of this planet. And right now it looks like we’re going full steam ahead on the fast track option.

This comment is a great example of why electing a party that runs on deconstructing the public education system is an awful idea.

We’re gonna start seeing ignorant comments like this way more often going forward.

Buckle up.

Totally agree.

The bottom line is Democrats aren’t going to win a misinformation campaign against Republicans because of the reasons you brought up and because they simply aren’t as amoral as Republicans are.

It really is up to Americans to be mature, informed, responsible voters who aren’t susceptible to misinformation. And that simply isn’t going to happen. Especially not now that we’ve given total control to a party that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

Realistically, from my personal, pessimistic point of view…we’re completely and utterly fucked and will probably see a steady decline in this country for the remainder of our lives.

Surely, this messaging is going to help your party from being seen as the out-of-touch party of “coastal elites”

I’m not a politician. I don’t care about messaging. I’m stating the obvious. I don’t care how many feelings get hurt.

People hold the Democrat party to this extremely high standard and think it’s their job to woo and coerce people to vote for them. That’s horse shit. It’s American’s responsibility to be good citizens and inform themselves responsibly and be adults by making intelligent decisions based on actual data.

And anyone that’s actually done that knows that the better decision for average Americans is FAR AND AWAY the Democrat party.

They fight and organize for capital, not the working class

Their voting history proves you wrong.

I’m tired of people expecting Democrats to be picture perfect while Republicans prance around talking about immigrants eating people’s pets and not being sexually attracted to M&M’s anymore because liberals ruined that for them and winning fucking elections by doing so.

It’s fucking pathetic and it’s American’s fault for being stupid. Period.

Yup.

Democracies only work for average citizens if average citizens inform themselves responsibly and vote responsibly. Americans are AWFUL at that.

I’m honestly ashamed of our country. Never really felt that before. At least not to this degree.

I mean if people don’t vote, they don’t count. If the majority of voting Americans vote for something, then I’m going to say the majority of Americans. The majority of voting Americans are ignorant. The rest simply don’t count because they’ve chosen not to count.

Note: That obviously doesn’t include those not of voting age.

I dropped out of college to go full-time at work specifically so I wouldn’t go into student loan debt.

Great society!!!

Good wiki hole to fall down.