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Fun fact : The wolf either references Turkish fascism or ancient furry porn OR the other, less popular ancient furry porn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_creation_mythIf they didn’t want to be eaten, they shouldn’t have been made of food ¯_(ツ)_/¯
My girlfriend is sometimes a turkey and she loves to be eaten. She asks to be eaten. Sometimes, when she’s really in need, she begs for me you eat her. I have no idea what the original post was talking about
the greeks are here
I’m sure there’s a turkey furry out there with a vore fetish.
I want to be eaten. Nobody’s doing anything about that.
Mmm… Turkish delight… 🤤
Timmy, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?
Has PETA ever asked lettuce if it gave consent to being eaten?
I mean, I’m all for a decreased consumption of meat, but PETA’s methods don’t work.
PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
And PETA is soooooo ethical in their own treatment of animals. All of their shelters are no-kill shelters, right? Right?!
Have you ever looked into the details of their shelters?
Saying “PETA kills dogs” to defend the meat industry is just a scale mismatch. PETA euthanizes a few thousand mostly sick or unadoptable animals. The meat and dairy industry breeds and kills billions of animals every year, many of whom are unhealthy because they’re bred for extreme production. Even if you dislike PETA, it’s not remotely comparable.
there are only about 1.5 billion cattle in the world. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth
They said animals, not limiting the number to cattle.
This Article provides a breakdown of the 2022 numbers for slaughtered animals based on this source from the United Nations.
So, in this case, the person to whom you are responding is correct.
somehow I read “beef and dairy”. whoops
Reading comprehension is important. You lack them.
As a bonus: add to this animals that habit water.
you spoke specifically about cattle. now you are moving the goal posts
Where? I wrote about “meat and dairy industry” and “animals”.
Doing what’s best for an animal doesnt always mean keep it alive at all costs, you realize this right?
Do some research about their programs before you spout some nonsense.
I’m not arguing for or against PETA, just pointing out that your lettuce comment should be addressed to PETV.
Good point 😊
My neighbor tried to raise some turkeys for Christmas. Those were bred to grow really quickly but his timing was off. They have to be slaughtered within a small window before they get too fat and their hearts give out. He had to do an early Christmas.
That’s a pretty miserable existence for turkeys
A lot of people live this way too. They just keep working and getting fatter until they die of a heart attack at 60
Lmfao fair point
It’s pretty common for animals in the meat industry. A broiler chicken goes from hatching to supermarket in 6 weeks. That’s what’s being called efficiency these days.
I worked at a broiler farm one summer. 35 days is the time from when they arrive to when they leave to get slaughtered.
You’re supposed to change their feed when they get to the desired size.
Don’t know about the small window thing. We had turkeys for a while, but to be fair it was more about domestic animals than food source. Those things would get huge. I remember once some friends were coming to visit at night and seeing them on the roof got scared and ran off.
Seeing a turkey on someone’s roof might scare me off, too. Turkeys can be bastards.
If they don’t want to be eaten all they have to do is say it.
If Turkeys dont want to be eaten, why are they made out of food?
They do, in their own way.
All mine said was “gobble gobble,” I’m getting mixed messages here.
If don’t want to be eaten, why delicious?
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A lot of plants don’t want to be eaten either. Tough shit, I am hungry.
Plants have feelings too
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding.
Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…to the extent that they don’t understand that they themselves might die, plants don’t want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
Not true at all, many animals share the same emotions as humans, who are animals themselves.
they may have emotions, but this doesn’t entail that they understand personal mortality.
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
I think you misread “mortality” as “morality”
Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive is proof animals understand mortality. Its the same impulses that keep humans alive as well.
They understand it the same way we do.
if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, i’d be happy to read it
I think you are making that up
Elephants mourn their dead family members. Is that a bad example?
What part of “Tough shit, I am hungry” made you think I care about the desires of the plant?
Plants communicate.
Those tears you shed when cutting onions is because of a defence mechanism of the onion, the scent you smell when cutting grass is another.
We also know that fungi and trees communicate with eachother as well. They even help eachother gain nutrients.
That doesn’t mean they’re sentient though, those are just chemical signals
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you’re immobile like a plant, it doesn’t make sense to feel pain because you can’t run. You don’t need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that.
70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.It’s closer to 30%.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you’re getting that number? That’s being insanely generous. What we’re talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I’m sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven’t said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
More greenwashing
I’m surprised how much lemmy lets vegans get away with the greenwashing stuff
Is greenwashing a new term where you dont have to engage with vegans in conversation?
70% of global crops are fed to animals.
no, they’re not. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth?
What’s the real number?
humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
Some do, actually. Most plants that taste good basically rely on being eaten as part of their reproductive cycle.
In particular cultivars. So do pigs.
Mostly berries sure but we eat a lot more plants than that.
Wanna guess how many plants are wasted to feed animals, only for humans to eat them?
none. not really. if we are using it, it’s not wasted, and much of what we feed livestock is plants or parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat
Wanna know how many of those plants are waste product only and plants only suitable for animal consumption
Do you see a human eating hay
Cut the greenwashing crap
Is hay the only thing that can grow on that land? Could we grow food humans like instead?
You do need to think things through a bit more than that.
Plants that humans wouldnt be able to digest efficiently anyway, unlesss you are talking about the more bourgeois meats
Like soy and corn, which famously can’t be digested by humans.
You do realise it’s waste product not suitable for human consumption
For example waste spy product from the production of your soy milk which also uses a ton of water and drives deforestation
The farms also kill farm pests with use of farming machines, pesticides and shotguns
people don’t want to eat field corn, but the soy that is given to livestock is mostly the waste product from pressing soybeans for oil
fun fact: we kill between 1 and 3 TRILLION animals a year for food and textiles.
Wait, that’s not a fun fact!
we? I don’t. stop it.
Yeah, I used the royal we.
That’s it? I was hoping to see at least 10 trillion animals killed this year… /s
Not all animals are the same. Killing an endangered dolphin weighs much different to eating a mussel.
Well you should probably stop eating fish then, because trawling absolutely does kill dolphins. Its called by-catch.
Do you understand what am example is? Most fishing trawlers don’t fish in the Amazonas river. So you are somewhat wrong.
So you’d recommend only eating animals until they are endangered and then eating other animals until they are no longer? Is that what you want to express?
Or are you arguing that some animals are more sentient than others (e.g. mammals vs mussels), and we should switch to eating snails and mussels only, because of that?
Just saying their figure is completely irrelevant since not all are created equally.
We should probably substitute meat by eating more mollusks. They are rather eco friendly. And insects, probably.
A chicken is also much smaller than a cow.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
- Plants don’t want to be eaten.
To be completely fair, some plants actually produce fruits with the intent of them being eaten, because that’s their way of Zoochorie/Hemerochorie
If I could photosynthesize and fix my own atmospheric nitrogen, I happily would.
Fuck plants! I’ll eat 'em all!
Yo! Grey wolves = fascist, don’t repost that shit
It’s more like fascists trying to steal a symbol ngl.
Like highschoolers will have a phase where they use a wolf pfp online and talk about how they wished they were a horse archer for example.
Not necessarily politics. The party “gray wolves” on the other hand is fucking openly fascist.
You‘re getting downvoted but I agree with you. The joke in the image is funny, but the presence of these grey wolve emojis suggests affiliation with the Grey Wolves which are fascist. No debating that, I don’t get the other comments here.
No they are not right. I can’t know the political views of someone in some shitpost, but the original grey wolf symbolim comes from Turkic mythology, which is today being co-opted by racist fucks. It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk’s Nazi salute doesn’t automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him).
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it’s ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
Wtf are you on about? They don’t get to decide what symbols belong to them. Ok 👌? 🐸 Fuck Nazi’s appropriating culture for themselves. Iirc the style of this comment indicates their membership in THE PACK AAYROOOO
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Feels like the gray wolf isn’t defined enough as a fascist symbol that there’s plenty of latitude for non-fascists to use it. Like if that account is known to use it that way it’s one thing, but otherwise it’s probably just a coincidence. The swastika is the most widely known symbol of hate these days but even now you can go see it on all kinds of temples in Asia, so if even that gets used in a non-nazi way these days surely the gray wolf isn’t only defined as a fascist symbol.
Here Grey wolf are regularly attacking in the street, sometime with knife, and some murder of exiled people opposed to Erdogan seems to be related to this guys. Just fascists
Gray Wolf in conjunction with Turkish flag and arms fire is pretty unique. Smells like Nazi.
You get sensitized if it’s in the news regularly. I would expect it to be less well known oversees.
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Grey wolves are considered as a historic symbol by Turks, similar to how a bald eagle is treated by americans or dragons to Chinese people. You can also see ultra-nationalist people of these countries use these symbols a lot, but it doesn’t change the meaning of these symbols to the majority of the country’s population.
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O durum senin cahilliğin git biraz tarihini oku
Everything I don’t like is fascism
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I don’t remember what the name of the logical fallacy where you conflate a small problem with a big one, but that’s what you’re doing. It’s a poor argument regardless of the context.
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iirc it’s the slippery slope fallacy
Are not grey wolves a cultural symbol related to an old turkish tale? Does not look facist to me.
In the Turkish diaspora they are used as a dog whistle for Turkish nationalist. Good dog whistle too. You don’t hear it.
Yes they are. It’s a bunch of armchair political experts confidently talking out of their buttholes.
There IS a racist political movement, which is often referred as Grey Wolves abroad who think they own the symbol, but leaving an ancient cultural story to a bunch of fucks is the stupidest thing ever. This is the same level of stupid as saying Pepe the Frog is a white supremacist symbol.
I’m not letting some obscure group of fucking Turks claim a goddamn emoji as their own and stop using it myself. Same with Pepe, a 🐸 emoji, or 👌. They already have the swastika and a bunch of others from the ACTUAL Nazis, let them use those instead.
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Ah so this is about an organization named “grey wolves” known for their hostile worldviews, not the grey wolf from the historical tale about a she-wolf raising a human children? This could have been elaborated better.
Yes, that is the point. Oh, this isn’t about 40k?
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