They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.
edit: the user who begins responding to me here proffers three studies, none of which actually prove that animals understand that they themselves might die. while they say i haven’t read them, its obvious that it is they who have not read them. it is either that, or they are lying, or they are incapable of understanding what these papers say.
there is a lot of abuse from this user, so i don’t know if anyone actually wants to go into this thread.
Here ya go. Since you can’t research or discover things on your own. Rather you just parade through the comments of this post looking for anyone to show you peer reviewed papers of animals who are studied understanding death.
Thanks for replying in such a time that shows you have not read them. It would take near an hour to glide through the sources sent, you replied in a few minutes, and if done, you would see only two were about crows, one was about elephants, and you provided only a personal opinion in response. No peer review from your side? Shall I post the study of chimpanzees next?
You aren’t looking for peer reviewed sources if youre so quick to denounce them. You hold no credibility over the sources sent. Those are from leading experts. Youre a lemmy user. Big difference.
Not true at all, many animals share the same emotions as humans, who are animals themselves.
they may have emotions, but this doesn’t entail that they understand personal mortality.
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
I think you misread “mortality” as “morality”
Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive is proof animals understand mortality. Its the same impulses that keep humans alive as well.
how do you know what they want?
Because they do what they want. You can see it.
so when they die, it’s because they want to die
Now you are being obtuse.
two different things
How so? Its the same thing I just said it two ways.
in the 15th century, no one wanted an electric car. does that mean they wanted to stop technological progression?
An electric car is not an emotional state.
if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, i’d be happy to read it
I think you are making that up
Elephants mourn their dead family members. Is that a bad example?
this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.
edit: the user who begins responding to me here proffers three studies, none of which actually prove that animals understand that they themselves might die. while they say i haven’t read them, its obvious that it is they who have not read them. it is either that, or they are lying, or they are incapable of understanding what these papers say.
there is a lot of abuse from this user, so i don’t know if anyone actually wants to go into this thread.
Here ya go. Since you can’t research or discover things on your own. Rather you just parade through the comments of this post looking for anyone to show you peer reviewed papers of animals who are studied understanding death.
https://digital.lib.washington.edu/researchworks/items/0d98a4dc-1084-480a-9b66-dc2b994e3636
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6053988/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31713106/
this is not proof crows or elephants understand that they, themselves, might die
it is not evidence at all about the cognitive abilities of turkeys
Thanks for replying in such a time that shows you have not read them. It would take near an hour to glide through the sources sent, you replied in a few minutes, and if done, you would see only two were about crows, one was about elephants, and you provided only a personal opinion in response. No peer review from your side? Shall I post the study of chimpanzees next?
You aren’t looking for peer reviewed sources if youre so quick to denounce them. You hold no credibility over the sources sent. Those are from leading experts. Youre a lemmy user. Big difference.