No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli.
If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding.
Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…
to the extent that they don’t understand that they themselves might die, plants don’t want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.
edit: the user who begins responding to me here proffers three studies, none of which actually prove that animals understand that they themselves might die. while they say i haven’t read them, its obvious that it is they who have not read them. it is either that, or they are lying, or they are incapable of understanding what these papers say.
there is a lot of abuse from this user, so i don’t know if anyone actually wants to go into this thread.
Here ya go. Since you can’t research or discover things on your own. Rather you just parade through the comments of this post looking for anyone to show you peer reviewed papers of animals who are studied understanding death.
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you’re immobile like a plant, it doesn’t make sense to feel pain because you can’t run. You don’t need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that. 70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you’re getting that number? That’s being insanely generous. What we’re talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I’m sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven’t said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
I’m being more specific. I dont think it makes sense to look globally. The west can offset a lot of its bad practices if you include the rest of the world that doesnt.
I understand if you dont care much about this point though.
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #22
Plants have feelings too
to the extent that they don’t understand that they themselves might die, plants don’t want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
Not true at all, many animals share the same emotions as humans, who are animals themselves.
they may have emotions, but this doesn’t entail that they understand personal mortality.
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
I think you misread “mortality” as “morality”
Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive is proof animals understand mortality. Its the same impulses that keep humans alive as well.
how do you know what they want?
Because they do what they want. You can see it.
two different things
How so? Its the same thing I just said it two ways.
if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, i’d be happy to read it
I think you are making that up
Elephants mourn their dead family members. Is that a bad example?
this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.
edit: the user who begins responding to me here proffers three studies, none of which actually prove that animals understand that they themselves might die. while they say i haven’t read them, its obvious that it is they who have not read them. it is either that, or they are lying, or they are incapable of understanding what these papers say.
there is a lot of abuse from this user, so i don’t know if anyone actually wants to go into this thread.
Here ya go. Since you can’t research or discover things on your own. Rather you just parade through the comments of this post looking for anyone to show you peer reviewed papers of animals who are studied understanding death.
https://digital.lib.washington.edu/researchworks/items/0d98a4dc-1084-480a-9b66-dc2b994e3636
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6053988/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31713106/
What part of “Tough shit, I am hungry” made you think I care about the desires of the plant?
Plants communicate.
Those tears you shed when cutting onions is because of a defence mechanism of the onion, the scent you smell when cutting grass is another.
We also know that fungi and trees communicate with eachother as well. They even help eachother gain nutrients.
That doesn’t mean they’re sentient though, those are just chemical signals
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you’re immobile like a plant, it doesn’t make sense to feel pain because you can’t run. You don’t need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that.
70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.
It’s closer to 30%.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you’re getting that number? That’s being insanely generous. What we’re talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I’m sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven’t said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
More greenwashing
I’m surprised how much lemmy lets vegans get away with the greenwashing stuff
Is greenwashing a new term where you dont have to engage with vegans in conversation?
no, they’re not. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth?
What’s the real number?
humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
the claim was about global crops. your cherry picking now.
I’m being more specific. I dont think it makes sense to look globally. The west can offset a lot of its bad practices if you include the rest of the world that doesnt.
I understand if you dont care much about this point though.