Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday called on the federal government to move “as quickly as possible” to change the way it officially classifies marijuana, saying that “nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed.”
“I cannot emphasize enough that they need to get to it as quickly as possible,” Harris said. “We need to have a resolution based on their findings and their assessment. This issue is stark when one considers the fact that on the schedule currently, marijuana is considered as dangerous as heroin ― as dangerous as heroin ― and more dangerous than fentanyl, which is absurd, not to mention patently unfair.”
Marijuana is currently listed as a Schedule 1 drug by the Drug Enforcement Administration. That classification designates it one of the most dangerous drugs possible, with no medicinal uses. Other substances in the same category include heroin, ecstasy and LSD. Marijuana advocates have been pushing for years for the federal government to either reschedule marijuana to a different category or deschedule it entirely.
“nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed”
-The person who made a career putting people in jail for smoking weed
Harris has been pro weed for years now. One of the foremost issues with our political system in the US is that these people are elected by a constituency that demands a job be done in a way that they want. (I am purposely ignoring the corporate donor aspect for this statement)
The locality (and the era) demanded drug dealers go to jail, so she did her job. Where Harris has floundered is how she talks about it and attonrs for it today.
You can be outspoken about a politicians past, but it’s disingenuous to ignore that a politician has changed, especially so if they have changed with positive progression.
Hey now, the hate boner doesn’t get off on logic, it gets off on mindless hate.
I wouldn’t call being angry at a prosecutor putting innocent people into prison blind hate exactly. Certainly I wouldn’t accept the logic that the constituency wanted to put innocent people in prison and that’s why she did it, even if I believe that I would still find that morally repugnant.
I more mean that there are a lot of new accounts coming in and plastering this hate all over the place, and their reasoning is always “once a hater always a hater.” They aren’t here genuinely, or they are extremely ignorant of how humans work.
I know there’s been a big too-do about lemmy and it’s modding tools (or lack there of) but I worry that this is a major concern for the platforms long term viability. With reddit, we could restrict posting from accounts with less than whatever karma, I don’t know if that exists with lemmy communities.
I’m sorry I don’t take your meaning. In response to a comment about people disliking Kamala Harris for her record as a prosecutor, especially when she knowingly withheld evidence and secured the imprisonment of innocent suspects, you just decided to talk about how hate is bad in general? Seems odd. Don’t know why you make the comment in that exact spot if it is nothing to do at all with the topic. Kind of confusing.
I’m saying that the intentional burying of head when it comes to her slow shift to supporting it being rescheduled, is hating for the sake of hate.
She did her job, and yeah her view was shit at the time. But she did what we all say we want people to do, and changed her tune. But somehow we still hate her?
You can hate past actions, but she either saw the light, or saw that her views were shit and is acting against her own views in support of the will of the people. A “yeah but” thrown on top is just trying to divide.
I’m sorry what? Where are you getting that she’s changed her tune? She isn’t up there talking about judicial reform or changing the way prosecutors work.
Except being a politician is also about image as much as we may not want it to be. Biden being the champion of student loan forgiveness while also being the champion of making student loan debt almost impossible to discharge earlier in his career doesn’t really feel all that great ya know? Same shit with Harris.
Yeah. Can’t trust’em as far as you can throw’em.
Harris oversaw more than 1,900 marijuana convictions in San Francisco, previously unreported records from the DA’s office show. Her prosecutors appear to have convicted people on marijuana charges at a higher rate than under her predecessor, based on data about marijuana arrests in the city.
As the political winds blow with her I guess. At least it’s a positive change.
As an AG, it was her role to uphold the law and bring forward prosecutions.
I’m recognizing positive change, which is an option now with her new role
Edit I’ll also acknowledge it’s an election year and this is a popular topic TOO
As an AG it’s her role to use discretion in bringing forward cases based on her interpretation of her mandate. That’s why it’s a political position.
They campaigned on this 4 years ago. They’ve done plenty of good things, but this one turned out out to be an empty promise.
Yea just ignore that Biden directed the relevant federal agencies to get this done and the HHS has already made the recommendation to move it to schedule 3.
Oh and damn, look at this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahsinclair/2024/01/18/dea-considers-rescheduling-cannabis-what-this-means-for-us-and-global-reform/?sh=2ce8efef743f
The gears are still moving and the DEA, the agency with the final say according to the legal framework within the controlled substances act, is working on it with the executive branch is actively pushing to have it reclassified.
It’s almost like a bunch of you who are making brand new accounts to make these posts about broken campaign processes have no fucking clue what you’re talking about because, at the very least, you’re not paying any fucking attention.
Buddy, Obama campaigned on this. So in our minds it’s been 12 years they’ve fucked around on rescheduling and legalization. 4 of those years Democrats held a majority in congress. We have every right to be furious with these corrupt pieces of shit.
Oh fuck off.
Don’t blame Obama’s failure on the person that wasn’t president at the time.
Admit that there’s finally some fucking progress on this and stop being so petulant about how it hasn’t happened fast enough for your sensibilities.
Of course it’s idiotic that this hasn’t been done yet, but good god damn it’s getting done but that’s just not good enough is it? May as well protest vote in the election and get trump back in office who, last I checked didn’t make any efforts toward this when he held the office.
Admit that there’s finally some fucking progress
THIS ISN’T FUCKING PROGRESS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
You’re the one who needs to fuck off. You’re celebrating like they crossed some kind of goal line because they talked about it? And then you lecture me for pointing out it’s been talked about for at least 12 years? STOP TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A FUCKING SOUND BYTE AND FUCKING GET IT DONE.
This is the definition of progress you wet fart.
Why the hell does following the legal framework not count as progress? Why does the thing have to be finished for it to be progress? I guess at work you don’t keep track of your larger projects to show your progress when your boss comes knocking because unless it’s finished it’s not being worked on?
What the hell do you expect to happen in these cases? Do you expect the king president to wave his staff and decree it so?
If it’s money for extra bombs for Ukraine or if it’s bank bailouts it can happen really quick. Stop putting people in jail for weed, enh, we’ll get it done “right away”… sure you will.
Amen. Fuck these liberals acting like Dems do anything they promise.
A campaign promise is very different than a statement from a sitting official.
This is not an excuse for it not being descheduled yet.
Sometimes a hypocrite is just a man in the process of changing.
I kind of want to create an unexpected Sanderson group…
If they’re going with the crowd, that’s societal inertia or peer pressure, not change. Harris is not making a big controversial stand, a majority of Americans want legalization - across demographics, political leanings, and income.
Now if she was advocating heroin prescriptions as a harm reduction, or expunging her own convictions for possession, or a systemic reevaluation of our drug law and enforcement approach? THAT’S a change that shows she understands how the law is bad, not this new political posturing to win votes callously
That’s honestly better I think. If she doesn’t personally believe it, but is expressing support for it politically, that means the topic is winning.
Or you’re being suckered again.
That’s obviously not what’s happening here. These people are scum.
Eh.
That was when it went from jail to a fine though.
So lots of people stopped giving a shit and started smoking publicly.
And she’s been pro legalization for years now.
There’s lots of shit to criticize Biden and Harris on, but Harris’s time as a DA and her cannabis conviction just isn’t a good one.
“Under Harris, the D.A.'s office obtained more than 1,900 convictions for marijuana offenses, including persons simultaneously convicted of marijuana offenses and more serious crimes.[73] The rate at which Harris’s office prosecuted marijuana crimes was higher than the rate under Hallinan, but the number of defendants sentenced to state prison for such offenses was substantially lower.[73] Prosecutions for low-level marijuana offenses were rare under Harris, and go her office had a policy of not pursuing jail time for marijuana possession offenses.”
From her Wikipedia page (the reference is pay walled and im not invested enough to figure it out).
Or this is what she wants the law to be, that was what she did when her job was to enforce the law that existed back then.
DAs always have discretion in what cases to drop or move forward, along with being able to offer plea bargains. They aren’t legally required to prosecute everyone who smokes weed, it’s just good optics to a certain political class to do so. And that political class was a much bigger tent even 10-15 years ago.
Also, they talk about marijuana every time there’s an election, then don’t actually change it.
You can tell there’s an election coming up.
On today’s episode of “don’t bite the hand that feeds” we reclassify marijuana.
I think if Biden and Harris were to officially endorse decriminalizing or legalizing recreational marijuana, we’d see a Democrat landslide. But that would require some actual common sense from Congressmen.
In October 2022, President Biden announced a mass pardon for past federal cannabis possession convictions, encouraged governors to do the same for state cannabis possession convictions, and instructed Attorney General Merrick Garland and Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra to review the classification schedule of marijuana, which could result in removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.[20]
Once again, Biden already did the good thing, but you people never heard about it
I unironically think that if marijuana should be banned, then so should alcohol
If they were both first introduced today alcohol would definitely be the one people would want more restricted.
Absolutely not true.
As soon as republicans discover it’s easier to convince underaged girls to fuck them if they’re drunk, it’s going legal.
This behavior is not limited to republicans.
Alcohol can kill you pretty quickly if you’re not careful, IMO it probably should be more restricted than weed.
It’s too easy to make, and weed is too easy to grow, so neither should be restricted since they’re part of our culture and will be consumed anyway. Broadly true for other drugs as well since they can be got, but it’s not like just anyone can make MDMA (which, if taken in a pure and controlled dose, is safer than both cannabis and alcohol incidentally, with therapeutic benefits too).
Maybe try reading about the 1920s attempt and get back to us on if you still feel that way.
The difference is I don’t think either should be banned, really. But mainly because the bans just don’t work.
Yeah but this is lemmy, so as soon as you come out with a ridiculous take to satirize the topic at hand, whackos and edgelords will crawl out of the woodwork to support your ridiculous take.
In a single motion they could cut off an enormous source of cash for the traffickers and hard drug dealers.
https://www.propublica.org/article/chinese-organized-crime-us-marijuana-market
Just so everyone knows, the DEA is actively reviewing a report from the Department of Health and Human services where they recommended to reschedule weed to a schedule 3. Biden had directed HHS to research to see if it should be rescheduled, so while biden hasn’t unilaterally legalized weed (something that would quickly be challenged in court since presidents don’t usually have unilateral power for most things), he has definitely been pushing it not be schedule 1. Which, while not legalization, would be a huge step for not just the industry but for all the medical patients out there who have had their doctors refuse to treat them because they use weed for pain.
A very important part of this is it allows for federal studies into the benefits of marijuana which is not allowed under schedule 1 status.
So instead of descheduling it, he’s looking into maybe one day thinking about starting the process of still keeping it illegal, but not as illegal.
Take a civics class.
Stop accepting excuses because you like the lack of results.
Why would I like him slow walking descheduling? You don’t even make sense, you’re just saying things to score imaginary points in your head.
If you want a dictator with dictatorial powers, boy have I got a political party for you.
Everyone who isn’t happy with Democrats’ deliberate uselessness must be a trumpist who wants a dictator.
no, we live in reality. reality is we have two choices and a potential catastrophe rapidly approaching - don’t give ammo to the chuds who genuinely would like to see this wild, flawed but genuinely amazing in principle enterprise we call governance - the “America!” experiment - replaced with a trumpocratic shitocracy that empowers the worst of the worst.
We have a choice of fascism or deliberate uselessness in the face of fascism.
If you want me to shut up and be happy with deliberate uselessness in the face of fascism, tough shit. Democrats need to stop using looming fascism as an excuse to be second worst.
Second worst is not up to the task of defeating fascism. It’s not even up to the task of preventing its spread, as we’re seeing.
You want a President to take actions that he’s legally not allowed to take.
So no, not everyone.
But you? Absolutely.
You want a President to take actions that he’s legally not allowed to take.
Schumer thinks he can take those actions. Is Chuck Schumer a Russian Chinese Trumpist tankie shill bot child too?
Nope, the process to reschedule has been started, it’d be changed to schedule 3, which, unless you think tylenol with codeine is illegal, it wouldn’t be illegal anymore.
Nope, the process to reschedule has been started,
Which is just another way of saying “we’re looking into it.”
I mean technically yeah, but that’s just updating the citizens that the process is actively rolling. I’d rather be updated that things are happening as opposed to radio silence and thinking the administration is ignoring the issue.
They’re pretending that something is happening when it won’t. Some stupid bureaucratic hurdle will come up that they could circumvent if they wanted, but they’ll gleefully announce that their hands are tied.
And people like you will buy it immediately. I’m sick of the endless lies and bullshit. I’m sick of being ordered to be happy because we’re totally working on something until we get in our own way and stop it again.
That’s literally the first step that needs to happen to reschedule it.
And the only step that’s gonna happen.
Care to wager on that?
I never thought it’d be legal in my deep red midwestern state but I can go to the weed shop and buy it OTC now, they’re packed every time I go. Not sure why you think a sitting president (who’s shown signs he wants to listen the fringes of his party) wouldn’t push for rescheduling, it’s an easy win frankly. I’m pretty cynical and even I’m not that cynical.
Care to wager on that?
I mean, you’ll count his next “we’re looking into it” as full recreational legalization nationwide, so no.
Removed by mod
Saying you’re looking into it isn’t doing anything.
No. No it’s not.
This time for sure.
Biden cannot de-schedule it. At most, he could issue an executive order telling the DEA to stop pursuing marijuana charges. Even if he did, the next president could just undo that. Biden is doing what he can which is calling for the AG to reschedule the drug.
There are only two ways weed can be de/rescheduled. First, is for congress to pass legislation doing so which then would need to be signed by the president. Congress is not going to do that. It’s been attempted multiple times and has never come anywhere near passing. They pretty much all died in committee.
The second way is the way mandated by by the Controlled Substances Act. That laws states that, first, someone must file a petition with the attorney general, or the AG could initiate the process themselves. The AG then sends the request to HHS Secretary to start a scientific and medical evaluation of the request. HHS and FDA then conduct an assessment and sends a recommendation to the AG. Meanwhile, the AG/DEA conduct their own review of the request. Assuming everyone agrees, the AG then initiates the standard rule making process following the Administrative Procedures Act and the White House, after it’s own review and the change can be made.
This article has a lovely, if disheartening flowchart of the process. It is a convoluted bureaucracy, but there is hope since the process was started in 2022 when President Biden instructed HHS to conduct a review into rescheduling marijuana.
HHS has since completed their review and sent a formal recommendation to the Attorney General on August 29 of 2023 recommending that marijuana be moved from Schedule I to Schedule III. The ball is currently in the DEA’s court. They have to conduct their own review and rumor has it that there are those within the DEA who disagree with Biden’s push to reschedule weed. Still, with at least half the states allowing some form of legal access to marijuana, and the FDA having approved at least one drug derived from marijuana, they will be hard pressed to find some compelling reason to go against the HHS recommendation.
Of course, I think it’s only too clear that the DEA is likely to strongly oppose this change and there are rumors that this is the case. Now it’s just a matter of the DEA dragging it’s feet before making an official announcement.
Biden cannot de-schedule it.
Odd. Chuck Schumer seems to think he can.
At most, he could issue an executive order telling the DEA to stop pursuing marijuana charges.
Then if he doesn’t hate the minority communities that the racist drug war was designed to disrupt, he should have done this on day 1.
Even if he did, the next president could just undo that.
We should never do anything because Republicans might undo it.
There are only two ways weed can be de/rescheduled. First, is for congress to pass legislation doing so which then would need to be signed by the president. Congress is not going to do that. It’s been attempted multiple times and has never come anywhere near passing. They pretty much all died in committee.
The second way is the way mandated by by the Controlled Substances Act. That laws states that, first, someone must file a petition with the attorney general, or the AG could initiate the process themselves. The AG then sends the request to HHS Secretary to start a scientific and medical evaluation of the request. HHS and FDA then conduct an assessment and sends a recommendation to the AG. Meanwhile, the AG/DEA conduct their own review of the request. Assuming everyone agrees, the AG then initiates the standard rule making process following the Administrative Procedures Act and the White House, after it’s own review and the change can be made.
That process sounds like complete bullshit from top to bottom when compared with the process needed to sell weapons for the genocide all centrists love.
Well I don’t do drugs but she could schedule it for tomorrow after breakfast. I know my neighbor smokes it after work for example. 😂.
She’s correct. It’s a completely right ridiculous policy based on a century of racism.
Ok, I used smoke a power of weed. I do not anymore. I do not wish to partake at all to be honest. Yet I think criminalisation of ‘the culture’ makes it both more lucrative to criminal elements who also do much harm in other sectors, and make it even more attractive to youth who might try and quit it sooner.
I’m not saying it’s all bad. I’m saying it’s over-romanced by criminalisation.
I don’t think it should be championed while legal though. I’ve seen two delusional breaks correspond to heavy usage. It also doesn’t help your IQ.
Legal sure, but careful please. Make sure you know why you’re using the drug. The withdrawals, while not as bad as Alcohol (which can be fatal), are real and difficult. Cannabis abuse is also a real disorder.
I’m happy it’s legal, but let’s not forget our common sense. https://americanaddictioncenters.org/withdrawal-timelines-treatments/post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome
Alcohol is legal
Energy drinks
The legality is a whole other thing than how careful you need to be with it
You honestly need to be more careful with ethanol and shit it’s one of the least important substances to be careful with on the planet
Drinking water in excess can also kill you. Everything in moderation people.
Yes. I have also seen close friends become fucked up due to cannabis. Genetics is a bitch.
I barely touched weed my whole life until I got medical access ~5 years ago. I was also never a big drinker or user of other recreational substances.
The stuff helps me so much that I use my vape or edibles almost every single day. That plus the margin of safety makes it downright cruel in my eyes that it’s prohibited in so many places.
But I guess given the racist motives of the anti-marijuana push 40 years ago, maybe the cruelty was the point.
I grew up straight edge in a religious household. I was so afraid of getting into trouble, I didn’t even drink as a teenager even though all my friends did.
Now my work depends on me keeping away from illegal drugs. Seeing as my family’s livelihood depends on that, it’s a pretty straightforward decision to never cross that line, ever. So I say this as a 30+ yr old who’s rarely drank and never done drugs of any kind that weren’t prescribed.
If this changes, and it’s confirmed that my livelihood wouldn’t be threatened for trying it, I would absolutely partake.
I hope you have a hell of a good time when this happens
As with all things go slow till u know ur limits greenouts aren’t too bad but they happen and better off nodding off in your house that at like work. Also anxiety and paranoia can happen with stronger strains or strong edibles so take it slow
I’d never suggest getting high at work. You’re just asking for trouble, even if it’s not legally a problem. I’d also never suggest drinking at work, to put that into context.
And god forbid you get in an accident while drunk/high, your job will definitely be over, and you’ll more than likely be footing the bill on your own.
Dude I hate to break it to you but weed is boring. Now, doing Ashtanga Yoga for 90 minutes: that’s a full body high
Ultimately I’d like to see psychedelics legalized too. It’s insane that either of these things is illegal IMO.
For the, “why are you doing it now, convenient!” crowd - first of all yes, that’s how politics works. Trump is a constant heartbeat of bullshit and you need to have strategically timed news and events to stay in people’s short term memories for voting impact - especially the committed stoners :)
But also, Biden admin has been working towards this for years. He is not the most progressive anything, but he’s doing more than his predecessors on either side (and the pathetic gop alternative) and that’s progress.
You don’t make major legislative change by firing a cannon at the front door - you set several small fires at all the other exits on the building and then when all that is in motion, you just knock on the front door to warn everyone about the fire and they walk out willingly.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/06/politics/marijuana-decriminalization-white-house-joe-biden/index.html
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/22/1221230390/biden-pardons-clemency-marijuana-drug-offenses
On December 2, 2022, Biden signed the Medical Marijuana and Cannabidiol Research Expansion Act - “the first standalone marijuana-related bill approved by both chambers of the United States Congress”
Biden approved the Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange work Russia on December 8, 2022 which involved an American WNBA athlete being convicted of cannabis possession on Russian soil and being held in Russian prison.
None of this matters. This could all be over tomorrow if Biden gave orders to the dea. Pretending this even has anything to do with Congress or the courts is a joke.
This is purely a scheduling issue.
I thought we didn’t want presidents with absolute power ?
Anything he orders can be unordered…
So we should never do anything.
Except sell weapons for genocide.
It’s like you guys don’t understand how governing actually works.
You just want your guy to get in there and do the things you want him do with zero understanding of the realpolitik involved.
Easy for you to say. Your guy is in there doing the things you want him to do.
I wouldn’t really call Biden “My guy” or say he’s doing everything I want done but I understand incrementalism.
It took the rightwing 70 years of concerted effort to hijack the judiciary and local offices and get to where they are today. I don’t expect the left will be able to undo it in any less.
but I understand incrementalism.
So do I. It’s a transparent attempt on the part of Democrats to turn decades of inaction into a virtue.
It took Biden no time to sell weapons to Netanyahu. He didn’t need decades of doing fucking nothing first. He just did it.
This is a childish view… You can TECHNICALLY do a lot of shit with a snap of your fingers, but there are major consequences if you don’t prepare for major shifts in the status quo gradually.
For example, say a child’s parent dies in a car crash, you can take them away from the hospital to get some ice cream, have their grandparents there, and say together, “So mommy isn’t going to be coming home now, Billy. She was very sick and the doctors tried to help her get better but she died today. She loved you very much and I still love you and your grandpa and grandma are here and they love you and we’re going to adjust together and remember mommy as a family” or the doctor can just come out of the operating room covered in mommy’s blood and say to the kid, “your mom had her head chopped off by a train, kid. You need to get out of the hospital now. This isn’t my problem”
Both are technically the same action of informing the kid of some significant news/change.
“Somebody ought to do something about this ASAP,” says one of the only people on the planet actually capable of doing something about it for the last 4 years. OK.
Elections are coming up so it’s time to talk about it and do nothing else that would make it happen
Lemmy sees something good happen:
“Not good enough!”
We all know it should have happened before, but dismissing that the vice president just publicly called for this is silly
I hate it here for that reason. With this being the last option, I’ve reverted to Google News, NYTimes and SF Chronicle apps. Lemmy’s inability to feel joy has helped me ditch social media most of the time.
Reddit very seriously had the same problem.
The under current of negativity seems a bit stronger here though imo.
I guess when you have a huge portion of posters that self-selected to leave a platform in protest you get population predisposed to protesting and complaining about things.
It gets a bit tiring to hear people see incremental change but shit on it because it’s not perfect or “it should have happened sooner”. I wonder if these people would ever be happy with anything?
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today. If they get this rescheduled that would be a huge win.
They won’t. They’ve been fucking around on this for at least 12 years.
I hope they do just to shut up a bunch of people up but that part definitely won’t happen.
That’s a poor attitude.
They’ve been “calling for it” since Biden campaign. And reschedule? It should be descheduled.
And the DEA is actively working on it, which just so happens to be the final step in rescheduling a drug.
I work in the space industry and this just reeks of the “hurry up and wait” that I live in. If the right pressure was there, it’d be rescheduled already. I’m 50/50 on if they are actually working on it or if feet are being dragged due to institutional friction.
They’re doing as little as possible to say they’re working on it.
Biden campaigned on rescheduling it so this is just nakedly trying to boost their pre-election popularity. They could’ve done this day one. They didn’t. They won’t.
Web archive of Biden’s campaign site, September 2019: http://web.archive.org/web/20190723224533/https://joebiden.com/justice/
Decriminalize the use of cannabis and automatically expunge all prior cannabis use convictions. Biden believes no one should be in jail because of cannabis use. As president, he will decriminalize cannabis use and automatically expunge prior convictions. And, he will support the legalization of cannabis for medical purposes, leave decisions regarding legalization for recreational use up to the states, and reschedule cannabis as a schedule II drug so researchers can study its positive and negative impacts.
I’ll drop this here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahsinclair/2024/01/18/dea-considers-rescheduling-cannabis-what-this-means-for-us-and-global-reform/?sh=2ce8efef743f
Note the date. This is the final step in rescheduling marijauna.
And look at this. Pardons, wow: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/12/22/a-proclamation-on-granting-pardon-for-the-offense-of-simple-possession-of-marijuana-attempted-simple-possession-of-marijuana-or-use-of-marijuana/
Biden: Holds the trump card that is almost guaranteed to get him reelected
Yall: WhY dIdN’t He UsE iT sOoNeR
He started the work in 2022. You think he just started it? Did you not read the links I provided?
I didn’t say he just started. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said he knows that if he made weed legal too early the stoners would forget about it and potentially not vote.
Playing the trump card right before elections? Everyone is in a super high (lol) and is super in the mood to vote.
Cannabis prohibition is still harming the communities it was designed to disrupt.
But none of the people in those communities matter. Let them needlessly suffer for our stupid timing games.
Obama campaigned on this so it’s been 12 years they’ve fucked around on it. People need to stop defending the Democratic party for being corrupt pieces of shit.
Oh sure, every 4 years Lucy comes out with the football and taunts you to take a run at it and I’m the one not being realistic. It’s total horseshit to disappear on an issue every 4 years except when you think it might help you in an election to wave it around.
It’s not “Lemmy sees something good happen”; nothing good has happened. The same platitudes have been trotted out for the 78th time. But maybe this time…!
The words of a politician are not accomplishments.
If it ever gets descheduled, it’ll be an accomplishment. I’m not going to treat announcements as accomplishments.
Public discourse from a sitting executive politician represents progress. It is not enough yet, but it is progress. In years past such statements would have been massively disruptive, and via speech like this the topic is being normalized.
It’s not enough yet. We arenf done
Stop expecting me to believe that politicians’ lies are progress just because you believe them.
It’s not an accomplishment until it’s accomplished.
Just because you don’t understand the power of normalized discourse doesn’t mean I have some obligation to you.
I’m just telling you how reality works.
Edit im proud to hear more discussion of climate, LGBT, drug decrim and other issues, at increasingly public and increasingly executive levels.
I know the difference between hot air and accomplishments. You’re not going to gaslight me into accepting the former as the latter. All you’re doing is convincing me that you prefer words to accomplishments.
50 years ago a woman, non-white politician wouldn’t have been a common thing. Part of how we got to where we are today is via public, popularized discourse.
The same occurs in this article and the speech that lead to it.
It doesn’t mean the world is changing in an active sense, but it does mean the conversation is happening. This is part of the power of executive office.
I’m sorry you had to learn about this from me.
It’s honestly just insulting at this point. Deschedule the fucking plant already, you doddering old fools.
When you’re done, we can have a frank conversation about the number of people directly killed by alcohol each year. (It’s literally infinitely more compared to marijuana.)
Man I think you have way too high of expectations for the actual powers of a vice presidency.
Biden could order cannabis descheduled ( what his campaign program was) and if agencies don’t listen, fucking fire the agency heads and hire someone that will. It literally one of the handful of things he could do himself.
But somehow it’s 3.5 years into his first term. And Biden has apparently compromised even more with himself and we won’t get his original compromise of descheduling.
When a president acts like this right before their next election, lots of voters rationally stop believing any of their current campaign promises.
Source for where Biden called for it to be descheduled?
I can’t find it.
So you don’t have one?
He didn’t campaign on DEscheduling, he campaigned on REscheduling. Which just so happens to be in the final stage of happening.
He attempted to forgive student debt (which was in his right to do so as head of the executive branch) and got swatted down by the corrupt Supreme Court. What do you think will happen if he rescheduled marijuana?
The student loan forgiveness was swatted down because he technically didn’t really have the authority to do so, Congress typically holds the power of the purse. Rescheduling isn’t at risk of violating the separation of power as the DEA is under the purview of the executive.
He waited 2 years till he lost the house, made a half assed attempt he knew would fail, then said:
See? Trying is just a waste of time, we should never try
And voters remember that when it’s two years later and he tries to tell them elections are important and if Trump wins suddenly the president is all powerful.
Neoliberals do the same shit as republicans. They need their voters to believe that when the other team is president, the president is all powerful. But when their own team is in power, the president can’t do shit, so it’s not their fault campaign promises aren’t kept.
What do you mean? This is standard political fare… most of the population has the memory of a goldfish, so popular shit like this always waits until the election cycle.
Additionally, an executive order, or changing the chief of the DEA, are probably the least effective ways to handle it. All it would take is a republican administration to undo it all. The way that sticks best is legislation.
Your boat is leaking.
Do you either bail out the water, or try to get into port so you can fix it.
Or maybe, you do both. Biden can reschedule…. Today. He could have done it 3.5 years ago.
He hasn’t. He probably won’t.
You’re right that legislation is a more permanent fix. No question there. Doesn’t mean you don’t work the other, faster, solution to get something good enough for the time being done.
Biden cannot just wave a wand. Learn the fucking truth before you spout nonsense like this.
He’s been following the framework of the CSA since October 2022 with this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/10/06/statement-from-president-biden-on-marijuana-reform/
And it’s currently in the final stage, sitting with the DEA. It’s getting done.
You consider a press release from the guy slow walking this to be a reliable source.
Following tue legal framework to get this done is slow footing it? Are you aware it’s in the final stage before getting rescheduled?
Claiming that slow walking it is following some fictional legal framework is just an excuse for slow walking it.
I’m not buying any bullshit about it being the final anything.
If you want me to treat it as anything more than a filthy lie, democrats should have been taking their campaign promises more seriously.
Let me guess. We’re in the final stage of passing the public option, the minimum wage increase, codifying roe, and closing gitmo as well. I’m sure we’re in the final stage of passing BBB and reforming our out of control police too.
After decades of lies, you expect me to buy that Democrats are telling the truth about wanting to do the right thing?
What unmitigated hogwash.
I’m not convinced they’d even try passing the legislation once some executive order was issued. It would be touted as a victory for the Biden Administration, and then forgotten about until 2028…
God damnit, when did I become so cynical?
You’ve seen the world we live in.
Cynicism is just a prudent reaction to reality.
most of the population has the memory of a goldfish, so popular shit like this always waits until the election cycle.
Stupid uninformed people…
Most of them vote R or not at all.
But neoliberals refuse to acknowledge people who aren’t ignorant and do care.
“Because what are ya gonna do, vote Republican?”
It doesn’t work.
Maybe we try helping people? Worst case scenario, Dems actually help people when they’re in office.
Isn’t that the whole point of electing Dems? Isn’t that better than just stalling the Republicans destruction of our country?
I completely agree… but that’s how this shit goes. This is definitely one of the situations where both sides pull the same shenanigans. When was the last time you heard Kamala Harris open her mouth? Granted, she’s been busy in a divided Senate, but Dan Quayle was more visibly present during the elder Bush’s administration than Kamala has been during Biden’s. Now she crawls out of the Senate chambers to talk about cannabis? Better late than never I guess.
It’s not like Biden’s administration hasn’t been doing anything useful. But these wildly popular policy initiatives that would do a lot of good often wait for politically convenient moments when it’ll be fresh in the electorate’s memory.
Which is the exact danger of running neoliberals that only care about being elected.
The only thing making this “how shit goes” is both parties get money from the same donors who don’t want anything fixed.
It’s not like how the sun sets everyday and there’s nothing we can do.
So telling people “that’s the way she goes” isn’t helping and is only hurting turnout.
Ok… so how do we run people genuinely interested in fixing it? How do we make this not how shit goes? I can’t argue that it’s really disheartening, but the idea that any party is going to run anyone primarily interested in anything other than getting reelected is absurd. The National Committees for each party would never give them a platform. Running third party is suicide here.
The real change that needs to happen is election reform to provide more transparent campaign financing and moving away from a First Past the Post voting system. That’s how you get people in who can actually fix the issues we have in a constructive and positive manner. It won’t be perfect but it would be helpful. Then we’d have a flourishing of different political parties emerge and voters would have actual choice.
“That’s the way she goes” shouldn’t hurt turnout. The reality is we’re facing the single greatest threat to the basic ideals of the American Republican Democracy. Bigger things are afoot than cannabis policy. I’ll take this political grandstanding from the Biden administration 10 times out of 10 than one more day of a Trump administration.
All of those are good ideas to fix it, but we can’t make those changes with the system as broken as it is.
I think the biggest thing to help turnout would be acknowledging that nothing is going to get done, and that we want a government that just makes nice noises since we clearly can’t get one that actually works. Like you said: You’d take this sort of grandstanding over Trump any day.
It’s like a mechanic putting in some Sea Foam cleaner to get rid of the knock over doing a full engine rebuild, which we can’t afford. Yeah, it’s gonna break down eventually but at least you don’t have to deal with the noise. It’ll break down eventually, but for now you can at least hear NPR.
Ok… so how do we run people genuinely interested in fixing it? How do we make this not how shit goes?
Undo citizens united would be a great first step…
Something that the majority of Dem voters agree with.
Without those donations and the obligations they come with, neoliberals would stop winning primary elections, and the ones still in office would stop having a reason to oppose progress.
I didn’t read anything else you typed after that, because if you didn’t understand that already, I don’t see how anything else you could have said was in any way relevant
I’m glad they want to change that. I hope they do. Far too many people, especially minorities, serving sentences for weed. It does feel like a bit of a hollow victory when women’s rights are being rolled back to the 19th century, though.
If democrats can’t get this done ahead of the election it will be criminally negligent
They’ve had 4 years, it’s already negligent
Donald Trump came into office and had both Houses.
Never even mentioned weed, unless it was to talk about how users should be executed.
But I’m sure he’ll change next time
Hahaha right. “But I swear guys he’ll do the right thing this time!!!1!”. Dictator day 1
Who said anything about Trump?
Talking about US politics and not mentioning the GOP is impossible.
It sure seems like it was possible, at least until you showed up.
Who was it who said that Twitter was great because they could tell you all they knew about any subject in 140 characters?
I did.
At least it is if you can’t defend Democrats’ deliberate uselessness.
What makes you think there’s a giant majority of the country begging for a hard Left party?
Every poll I’ve seen puts ‘Socialists’ at about 6% of the population.
Do you have better data?
What makes you think there’s a giant majority of the country begging for a hard Left party?
Well, about this particular issue, 70% of the US wants what neither conservative party is willing to ever do.
Does it require Congress, including Republicans, to do it?
If it comes down to pretending it does versus letting up on the racist drug war, Democrats will need congress.
It’s not like it’s something they want to do, like supporting the genocide every last centrist has always wanted. Don’t need congress for that.
