For President specifically. Downballot still matters.

And if you’re not in a swing state, but are in a state that “leans” R or D, your vote matters.

Who cares? Without sentients in it, the universe is pointless.

Having convicted felon be able to run for office is a good thing. I don’t want a Navalny situation in my country.

An insurrectionist, though? Fuck that noise. Trump should be hanged. He tried to violently overthrow the government.

We have the legal system

I mean…do we?

Emotional labor is everyone’s responsibility. Women don’t get to have a “turn” of being dismissive and belittling. If you don’t give a shit about men, boys are not going to give a shit about you. That’s why boys are turning against feminism. Boys need help. Boys need understanding. Boys need nurturing and strong male role models. Boys need someone who says “I see you and understand your struggles, and they are valid, and I want to help”. Feminism refuses to do that, so boys don’t participate in feminism.

Which I think is fair on both sides. Black Lives Matter isn’t concerned with the struggles of Native people. It’s a fight, but it’s not their fight. If feminism wants to be exclusively a voice for women, that’s not a bad thing. But it’s to be expected boys won’t consider themselves feminists. They may support it in principle, but then if they’re constantly told they’re the enemy because of the sins of their fathers, well, maybe they won’t support it.

Bad example, turns out Voldemort actually had a curse on his name and it was a good idea to not say it

Too young, like I said lol

Your anger does not change the fact that feminism is failing boys in this way. You want to stop alienating boys? Clean up your own house and start giving a damn about them.

Y’all are too young to remember the opioid epidemic. She probably died of an overdose and her body was dumped in a ditch. Shit was bad. I mean it’s still bad but it was REALLY bad.

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Can’t argue with that.

Literally.

Gaslight

Obstruct

Project <---- you are here

Great! That’s a great outlook. Now please start saying those things without a guy like me having to browbeat you into it first. And start saying them to the women who are failing feminism, not to us. If feminism would reject and excise these women, and focus on teaching women to be better (not exclusively focusing on that! Just make it part of the program) then everything I’ve been talking about would be a nothingburger.

Of course it’s a threat, but it’s not my threat. It’s what Trump is saying.

No, I’m saying that of the list of things feminists are concerned about - wage gap, abortion access, burden of child rearing, intersectional issues - no where on that list is any bad things feminists do. I’m not saying it’s systemic (I do happen to believe that, but it’s irrelevant at the moment), I’m just saying it happens enough that feminism should be worried about it, at least a little. That lack of concern is damning.

It’s like having one abusive cop in a department. Ok, there’s one bad cop and 99 good ones, but the 99 good ones are not denouncing him. They are protecting him. So in a way, you have 100 bad cops. If the 99 cops were denouncing him, refusing to work with him, petitioning the police union to disown him, etc…that would be fine. But they never do.

Individual women being shitty is individual women being shitty. Feminism refusing to admit it has a problem in its ranks is feminism being shitty.

Unnecessarily aggressive lol

Dude, you jumped into this conversation. I don’t have much choice but to interact with you.

Also, for the record, I disagree with your characterization of me.

We’ve also talked about how the politics mods apparently won’t let me defend myself against you even when you follow me to another sub just to pile on me with unrelated…things to say.

HIGHLY UNSPECIFIED THINGS WHICH I AM NOT COMMENTING ON, MODS.

Except to say that it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, so please talk about something relevant or leave.

The expectations the feminists have, are a part of the patriarchy, is what I’m guessing they’re trying to say, so it’s ultimately still the fault of broader patriarchy and it’s standards.

I mean dude think about it. You are almost literally saying that any bad things feminists do are because of the patriarchy. Any failings in feminist theory is because of patriarchy. Any lack of concern for men, any failure to worry about the lack of concern for men, it’s all patriarchy.

Does that really ring true to you? I mean, if patriarchy is such a nebulous thing that it’s subconsciously affecting the very things that feminists choose to worry about…then we should be able to lay all of feminism’s successes at the feet of patriarchy too, right? Women’s sufferage? Patriarchy. Freedom of choice? Patriarchy. Women in the workplace? Patriarchy. You may think it was feminism, but clearly the invisible guiding hand of patriarchy is influencing feminists.

Or is it only patriarchy when it’s something bad?

Look, I’m not saying there’s no such thing as patriarchy. Or misogyny. I absolutely believe that there are systemic injustices in the world perpetrated against women en masse. I also believe that our historically patriarchal society has caused a level of male-centric bias in our world.

I object to the complete and total failure of feminism to admit to any negative effects whatsoever. Feminism is not self-reflective and therefore can never be egalitarian. It will always be a struggle for one group against another.

Cool, good for you. That’s not the norm. At any age.