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  • For that aspect, I squarely blame Evangelicals more than the works themselves. You can use the Bible (and many other religious texts) to validate almost any opinion or belief.

    Yeah. No. You can’t. Just to start things off, the catholic church’s wealth is north of 73 billion, and it owns some of the largest hedge funds in the world.

    The Vatican itself is its own nation-state.

    And throughout history, the Catholics have literally started more wars than any other sect- including crusades against others.m

    And, let’s not forgo that the American diocese are full on maga asshats and fully supported Kirk, fully supports war in Gaza and trump in general.

    This isn’t a modern thing, by any stretch. We can go through all the awful shit Jesus was apparently cool with, if you’d like. The point being here is that Paul retconned things a bit to make Jesus more palatable to Roman’s, but even then, it was all still quite awful.

    Even if you’re quite studious about it, and pare off anything that’s awful, you’re still getting some questionable stuff and largely left with “shit we didn’t need to be told”.


  • That’s just it. I don’t think he actually was any of that.

    I don’t think the gospels are an accurate reflection of his actual teachings. The more peaceable are probably inserts- at best.

    Keep in mind Paul was a Roman citizen, and benefited from that authority (even if Christianity wouldn’t be legal until 313, iirc, with the edict of Milan by Constantine)

    But also the messiah absolutely was supposed to be a warlord, leading the extermination and subjugation of every kingdom in the world, as a descendent of David, the messiah was to be a high priest and king all in one.

    According to Jesus, the nations of the world would be worshipping the same god, and coming under the law of Moses and all that. Paul decided to drop that, mostly because gentiles didn’t want to snip the tip, or give up comfy clothing or bacon. Or any of the other random ass commandments. (There’s a lot. 613 traditionally in the mitzvot.)

    Keep in mind, the gospels were after the Pauline letters, and a lot of thing in them just didn’t happen.


  • So if the prostitute was turning a trick in the temple, do you think he’d have whipped her, too?

    He wasn’t angry because they were “capitalists” he was angry that they were doing their capitalist thing in the temple.

    Keep in mind the money lenders were there as a service to people basically on a pilgrimage to make temple offerings- from around the entire region. People who wouldn’t know where to trade money and get sacrificial animals. It was probably like the money changers at the airport- catching people who needed to change money and didn’t mind the convenience tax.


  • It’s also important to note that Christ wasn’t actually a pacifist.

    He just likes it when people obey the authoritarians. Mostly because he was also an authoritarian. (I mean, seriously. Look at what the messiah was actually supposed to do- ignore Paul and revelations, that has nothing to do with a Jewish messiah.)

    To me, I think it’s more likely the motive behind “turn the other cheek” was more a warning to bide their time. Remember, Rome could rofflestomp them at any point they wanted to, and everyone knew it.

    (Which they did end up doing in around 70ad, because an ex high priest, who had been high priest thanks to bribes, got out bid by another, and rumors were spreading that other died, so ex high priest made a bid for it again, pissing off Roman officials. This is what lead to the destruction of the second temple.)