I wish this is how it was at my medical school. My med school is attached to a deeply religious university and some of our professors said some pretty wild shit in lectures. I was almost always the one to key up on the mic in recorded lectures to fight them on it.
I’m sad to say there were a couple lectures that I was just too demoralized to fight back directly, but I did talk to my classmates to correct the record after those lectures.
Isn’t this like a decade old at this point?
I wish memes were properly sourced…
And sadly never been more relevant.
In many countries it’s illegal to refuse treatment so you would literally have to find a new career
But of course in the Christian-sharia-law state of Tennessee, doctors can refuse patients if they don’t fit their values or whatever. A woman was refused prenatal care because she wasn’t married.
This type of stuff is extremely concerning to me. My ability to get life saving medical treatment is based on the whimsy of some superficial judgment some random doctor makes about me? There is no way this can be legal.
Hey now take comfort in the fact that their lives are in the hands of God. Pfft nah it’s in the hands of anyone willing to shank them for being a sanctimonious self righteous profligate. Frankly speaking if someone nearly died or dies because of such a scenario where they denied IDK sutures or some shit for religious reasons they wholly deserve to be processed through a morgue incinerator while still alive.
Doctors and nurses see and take care of a lot of disgusting people, or people in disgusting states in all walks of the life. Them being LGBT should be the last hill for them to die on. Only shows how sheltered they have lived.
This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.
But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist… I think she had around 13 years of schooling.
Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.
With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you’d best find a new track. Because you ain’t going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you’re going to be a gastroenterologist you’re going to have your head up people’s asses your whole career…
Etc
And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.
Well, there’s always
Wtf 😂
Lol
Apparently this was not boner porn nor wap porn.
By the retelling, its was nailing balls to a step stool kind of porn.
Ah, I remember that one. 96 was a crazy year!
Germans itt be like… vanilla ball-nailing pr0n… yawn
This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.
I believe we already have individual states that allow health care providers to refuse care based on their religious beliefs.
So unfortunately, it seems to be flying alright.
Pretty sure they were speaking in reference to the anecdote they were about to relay.
I never will understand how somebody gets into any facet of medicine (e.g. nurse, doctor, pharmacist) and find it okay to deny anybody healthcare solely based on how the person lives. Like dude, there are better ways to make money and be a bigot at the same time. Insurance CEO comes to mind. Cannon fodder as well.
Because nursing school will shove you through even if you should fail and it’s an affordable 2 year degree that pays. And that’s how I ended up explaining what the P in HIPAA stands for and how to operate a mask. White trash nurses are a meme.
Only one P in HIPAA actually. Common mistake. https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/php/resources/health-insurance-portability-and-accountability-act-of-1996-hipaa.html
Yeah it’s probably time to sleep… But the memes!
Don’t feel too bad, I once had a ticket come across my desk for HIPPO violations. It took half the day to figure out what they were talking about.
Moo deng noooooooo!
Oh nooo, was the hippo OK?
HIPPO violations? You’d think those websites would be blocked by the firewall.
My first college was a technical college that also trained nurses. If there’s one thing I learned it’s that nurses have nasty hygiene habits. Hopefully that gets washed out (pun intended) in the field; eventually.
A nurse once told me to “mind my own fucking business” when I said “are you fucking kidding me?” to seeing her pull off her mask to cough into her hand and go back to the shit she was working on during covid lock downs. In the ER nurses station, surrounded by nurses with asks completely down or with noses poking out.
10/10
Effing incompetent nurse stabbed me with a hypodermic, then insisted she could go forward with injecting medication into my baby. Why would she need to sterilize or replace it?
On the one hand you’re 1000% right but man it must’ve sucked so much ass being a nurse during COVID, I probably would’ve been close to snapping 24/7.
May I tell you the story of my wife, a doctor, who send us to her parents in lockdown, worked her ass of in full protection a couple of hundred kilometers south, seeing our two little kids only at the weekends, if there were absolutely no symptoms and she didn’t have a shift the day before, for month? When she didn’t not have to work, she sat alone in our flat contemplating on the newly dead people who where to young to die.
Wearing a fucking mask was not the part that sucked during lockdown.
I really dont think they meant the masks sucked. I think they meant more like what you just described.
I know. It was more a post covidal rant at the nurses. Even if you are at your limit those masks are self protection.
man it must’ve sucked so much ass being a nurse during COVID
Hands down, no question. It was still the early days, april 2020, so I am a bit less forgiving than later in 2020. Nurses already got the short end of the medical stick even before covid
this instance was just particularly memorable.
I’m in a med lab program and they talk so much shit about nurses in our lectures (no offence). They even hire actors and we do conflict resolution exercises like phoning an exhausted nurse to let her know her third draw just got rejected and they need another sample or order of draw problems ect…
In practice you figure out which nurses are what kind of idiot and cling to the ones who are competent. The upside to the dumb ones is they never figure out why the new girl and the woman looking at retirement get more hours and are specifically called so often.
Don’t they have a lot of male nurses where you are? Maybe because it’s Seattle and a big town, but my parents in a smallish town had them too.
I’m in Toronto and just wrapping up my program so I can’t really comment on that but I personally know a few male and female nurses.
…HIPAA has one P.
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Same answer to both; cowardly traditionalist afraid to speak their minds.
From traditional/conservative families which value the status of being a doctor, not the “helping patients” part. Prejudiced.
This.
There are so, so many doctors who ended up in the profession merely for the prestige.
Doctors aren’t smarter than everyone else, they just had the resources to be able to study for more years.
What if the patient is a health care CEO who is known for denying health care to others?
Definitely treat them. Really enthusiastically. And let everyone else in the building, perhaps people whose inaurance is fucking them, know what room it’s in. Obviously stay on hand to make sure nobody gets any mortal injuries. Bill it extra for every part of that. Do not let your patient die. Dying us bad; think of everything left in the world for your patient to do!
This is a happy fantasy. I wish doctors were this cool.
This is the way.
Make sure to leave out the patient name and occupation when filling out the healthcare paperwork to see if they are covered for whatever procedures they need.
Hippocratic Oath. So you turn off their life support obviously
I would still help them, I may stab right after tho.
Oh I’m sorry, I can’t seem to find the vein. Gosh, have you been drinking enough fluids?
On a similar vein, I don’t understand doctors who are young earth creationists. Your whole job is understanding biology.
“Is this career path okay with discrimination? Because I have groups I want to die.”
It is important to consider both sides on any issue. Thank you for keeping things Fair and Balanced.
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I don’t trust anything about this… meme? I don’t know what we call context-less clips of other people’s comments that get circulated.
Whatever it is, it is trying to sound positive but it’s implying some false narratives. It’s implying that this is a common or new issue that professors are always dealing with, that there’s some common wave of pushback against treating LGBTQ patients. If you’re studying to be a doctor or healthcare professional, most likely you already don’t give half a fuck about someone’s gender identity or sexuality unless it impacts their treatment. (Yes there are some bigoted healthcare professionals out there, but they’re not the norm.)
The narrative here is making it seem like poor, naive students are now suddenly worried about how they’re going to deal with all these trans and gay people flooding the healthcare industry.
If it’s not subtly trying to introduce a false narrative like this, it’s serving that purpose all the same and should be buried and not circulated any further.
As someone who attends a medical school attached to a religious university, I can tell you this is a mindset that exists quite commonly in the medical field. Many of these people get careers in the multitudes of Catholic hospitals that abuse religious freedom laws to deny certain kinds of healthcare and face absolutely no repercussions for their persistent bigotry.
It is sad that this is apparently considered to be impressive or even noteworthy.
It immediately makes my “Manipulation Sense” tingle. They are making it sound like this is a common or reasonable question from their students. Or that this is some kind of new issue that doctors are dealing with.
So either there really is a new wave of young up-and-coming health professionals who are absolute dogshit morons for even asking this kind of question, or this is being circulated by someone deliberately trying to stir up shit, I just can’t figure out which direction they’re stirring. (Hint: it doesn’t have to have a direction, misinformation and public discourse sabotage consists of just amplifying all the wildest and most extreme takes on both sides of any issue to keep people from wanting to get involved or trust anything at all.)
I feel like there are a surprisingly large percentage of the population that just take most things at face value. It takes something painfully overt for someone to notice, and it’s usually only spotted on something trivial, like fifty thousand five star raving reviews for a beer coozie on amazon.
Astroturfing is real, and if you don’t think that a government would do it… Wow you have a lot of history to catch up on.
I actually think you’re right
The absolute gall they have to call it a “lifestyle” like people choose to live that way one day
It’s not a fucking lifestyle, LGBTQ+ people just are and they exist
They don’t choose to suddenly be that way one day, they have been that way their entire life and discover that about themselves
"Ah, but they choose to act on it! You see, my old preacher struggled with gay thoughts all the time because of Satan. He told us so nearly every Sunday. But did he act on them? No! He was straight, just as god intended.
So those people having gay thoughts are CHOOSING to be gay when they could pray and get a wife and have children like the lord said."
-Some dipshit I know
As I said to my parents when they said something similar:
Not everyone is a 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale. Plenty of people have some amount of choice. But not everyone is a 3, either. Most people have a preference. And some people are a 0 or 6. Just because one person with “gay temptations” successfully lived as a heterosexual doesn’t mean everyone can. The world is more complicated than that.
“He resisted his homosexual urges, and remained faithful to his heterosexual wife until the very day he shot himself.”
“You know what I’m talking about; the homosexual fantasies the devil constantly sends into everyone’s heads since they became teenagers. Those ones. … What do you mean ‘no’?”
Tangentially related, or at least it made me think of it.
Orson Scott Card said this:
Ender’s childhood is based, albeit loosely, on my own; his relationship with Peter and Valentine is based, not on my actual relationship with my older brother and sister, but rather on the way I conceived those relationships to be when I was Ender’s age. Ender’s revised understanding of Peter late in life parallels in emotion the same revision I went through in my teens as I discovered… my childish view of my older brother was hopelessly wrong
For those that don’t know, Peter abused the hell out of Ender. Not a huge spoiler. Another time he said this:
The dark secret of homosexual society … is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse
Then he went on to write several of the same character. Either homosexual or asexual who takes a wife in order to raise children. But it’s literally never about the woman. Anton was mostly open about his sexuality but married a woman. Ender had no sexual urges (there was a lot of underage homo-adjacent stuff and some sister stuff, but not necessarily gay) until he married. And did he marry her for her? Nope. The first thing he thinks of is how her 6 kids need him. Ansset is gay and married a woman. It’s pretty obvious he believes a lot of folks are gay because they were abused and it’s pretty obvious he was abused. And he believes those men should get married and raise children because that’s the highest calling.
I’m not usually a “homophobic means closeted homosexual” but I’m of the firm belief that Card is so far in the closet he’s finding Christmas presents.
He also wrote Wyrm (teenage girl is biologically destined to be impregnated by worm monster, that’s literally what the entire book is about) and Harts Hope (our hero has to rape a teenage princess in front of her entire kingdom for reasons, this turns her evil and she becomes the main antagonist.)
Card’s fucked up a lot more than “closet gay.”
I act on all the homosexual urges I have. They just happen to be zero. If you have homosexual urges it’s likely because you’re gay. I’m not really sure why this concept is so hard especially for the ultra religious….
Or they’re bi. I grew up ultra religious and the choice explanation made more sense to me because I had both homo and hetero urges, and I assumed it was the same for everyone (I thought of people who claimed otherwise as self-righteous). In my mind at the time homosexual urges were just part of people’s sinful nature they had to overcome. The whole thing only seems so incoherent from an outside perspective, which I was fortunately able to arrive at after experiencing the world more.
Yeah I bet that was confusing. Being brought up that homosexuality was a choice and you had feelings for both would have been difficult at best, especially before you had a chance to really see how it all worked.
Something like this is what encouraged my wife’s conservative grandmother to reconsider her thoughts on the topic. She heard about a gay teen who committed suicide and asked “if it was a choice, why wouldn’t they just choose not to be gay instead of killing themselves?”
No this is literally it though. They think being gay is a choice because they’re repressed, and constantly feel tempted. They assume everyone feels that, and only gay people give in.
This. When I was a kid, I thought every man in the world had this envy of womanhood and that was the reason women were oversexualized in media, because men wished they looked like that.
That it was just quietly accepted.
Heck in Who Framed Roger Rabbit I thought the line “You don’t know how hard it is being a man, looking at a woman, looking the way you do.” Was a direct reference to the natural Venus Envy of the male gender.
Nope just my trans ass misinterpreting an erection joke because its the 90s and families and media both aren’t allowed to talk about gender with any nuance yet.
The various “Girl Power! Women can do anything!” Tropes were also something young me misinterpreted as “Venus Envy” being the natural state of society. Like women knew they were “superior” and were flaunting it to be mean.
Sexism against women? Young me doesn’t know what that is or why fighting it is important. Believed in sexism against men though… I was so dumb and confused.
Oh, I’m well aware. Not once have I ever been tempted to tickle a pickle that wasn’t my own. I’ve never struggled with homosexual thoughts. If I had I can almost promise I’d be face down in a whole pile of dicks right now.
I was quoting, as accurately as I could, a dipshit I know. I haven’t seen him since high school, right after I left the church, but this always stuck with me. I knew that pastor as well. That guy talked all the time about how Satan was going to make everyone gay and how he was tempted so he understood what the youth was going through. I remember being 14 and wondering when I’d get secret gay thoughts because of this dude. Apparently I was so steeped in sin that Satan didn’t feel the need to make me want to gobble cocks as well.
It’s a damn shame because I think I would have made an excellent gay guy.
I have said for a long time that the number of bisexual people must be huge. All of these right-wingers seem to be equally attracted to men and women, so they’re obviously bi and choosing to ignore part of their own sexuality.
Here’s the thing, whether or not it’s a “lifestyle” shouldn’t even enter into the equation. Healthcare workers are supposed to treat everyone the same, regardless of what the patient has done or how they live. If you can’t deal with that, don’t go into healthcare.
Well, it’s a bit of both. The ostracized nature of ‘different’ people has spawned several sub-cultures that most ‘different’ people fall in to to some degree or another.
Not that anything is wrong with either being different or living differently. Hegemonic monocultures are so… fucking… BORING.
I’ve even seen it flipped around by the people who invented the term in the first place. “They call it a lifestyle, but that’s a euphemism for gross behavior”. Well, not those exact words. “Euphemism” has too many syllables for their education level.
Not suddenly, but gradually
Very much not true for all. Some realise things over time, but most were born like they are. Some also do choose things, but it’s a very small percentage and that in no way makes it any less important to accept and support.
They gradually do not choose to be themselves? I don’t understand.
M137 understood what I meant.
I believe that people are born with the same primitive instincts as everyone else, (survive and reproduce) but they gradually begin to develop their own feelings and sense of being. Some natural, some by trauma, etc, overcoming the expectations of your parents being the biggest hurdle.
I’m just simply saying that people aren’t born knowing they’re a part of that community until they’ve come to a realization or a spark.
Just my opinion. Just how I observed a family member and his experiences. Sadly, no one accepted him and he’s gone now. But I read his journals about how he felt, came to being, etc afterwards. Just wanted to understand.
ah yes, i too considered being a doctor so i can feel comfortable in my job. but then i realized when I’m treating a severed limb in an accident trying to stop buckets of blood flowing, that the person might be gay. ew, imagine. so i decided it’s not worth it.
“I refuse to treat left handed people. It’s a lifestyle I don’t agree with.”
This was or maybe even still is a thing. My grandpa was forced to wear a sock on his left hand when learning to write as a child. He would be hit if he didn’t.
Human beings were obviously a terrible idea.
In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been regarded as a bad move.
I still think Jennifer Love Hewitt was a great idea.
Woah…
Forgot about her
Back then he would be hit either way I wish I could go back to being a kid and approach adults discipling me with my current knowledge.
I’d ask for beatings and pretend to get pleasure from them. I bet suddenly you get no more beatings.
Stupid sexy Flanders…
Excellent. And they can take the pharmacists who have “personal or religious beliefs” and get rid of them too. No one should need to ask some other citizen’s personal permission for a service I contracted with my own doctor and medical company.
There are even some drug store cashiers that will refuse to sell condoms. Americans need to learn that if it doesnt affect you personally, its not their place to pretend they are a stakeholder in anyone else’s life. Stay in your effing lane, American healthcare workers. No one cares what you dont like or what your personal sky-fairy tells you. Last I heard “freedom of religion” was actually more “freedom from the tyranny of religion” when it was implemented by the nations founders.
While they are at it, Americans should stay out of other peoples bedrooms too. If they arent part of the situation, they don’t get a vote. As long as its consensual between two adult humans, its no one elses business what they do in there. <eagle cry of freedom right here>
If medical professionals are punished for refusing to treat patients because of race, then the same goes for refusing to treat someone for “having different lifestyle”.
Someone being LGBT doesn’t mean McDonald’s is allowed to refuse them service, or ESSO is allowed to refuse to sell them gas, or a gym can refuse them membership. Why the fuck do you think a doctor should be allowed to refuse them treatment for a disease?
Someone being LGBT doesn’t mean McDonald’s is allowed to refuse them service, or ESSO is allowed to refuse to sell them gas, or a gym can refuse them membership.
Patience, patience … the GOP is working on this as well.
Technically they aren’t. By their plan, someone who is LGBT couldn’t be refused service at McDonalds because they are to be arrested and thrown in jail on sight. Like, how would they have even gotten into McDonalds much less have the gall to ask for a Big Mac?..
Finally someone is doing something.
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Doesn’t this fall under the Hippocratic oath anyways? Or am I mistaken
The Hippocratic oath doesn’t cover this at all and actually explicitly forbids abortion and euthanasia. It’s really quite antiquated which is why I wrote an oath for myself that I hold to.
There’s a lot of debate about the specific meanings of the text, but there are many Christian physicians that will latch onto those passages as an excuse to apply their own beliefs to patient care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
Interesting
The oath is a promise, not a law. People break promises all the time.
If you are POTUS you get to break the law all the time too.
Yes, but it’s an ethical promise, so they are saying healthcare professionals have shady ethics.
not mistaken, but certain roles like pharmacists, cashiers, nurses, dentists and lab techs dont take that oath. Many doctors now take alternate oaths too, not the original oath.
Wasn’t there a bakery that won a case allowing them not to sell wedding cakes to gay couples?
No. The supreme court case you’re thinking of only ruled that the state commission acted unfairly towards the bakery, not necessarily that the bakery was right or wrong in their discrimination.
Yes…The Colorado Commission ruled against him but the Supreme Court said he didn’t have to let them eat cake.
What? They can totally do those things. They are private businesses who can reject whomever they want. Protected classes are only protected for things like housing, employment, and public things (school/utilities/etc.)
If that were true, the US would still have segregated lunch counters, grocery stores, and private buses. The Supreme Court may be getting us on the way there one day, but right now the only way that private businesses are allowed to discriminate against protected classes is to call the output work a “creative expression” like website design, floral arrangement, or cake decoration, and that’s from the 303 Creative case.
Besides, how would it make sense if a company could bar you as a customer for being gay, but be compelled to employ you?
There is no federal law that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in public accommodations, like restaurants, theaters and other businesses. However, state and local laws where you live may ban this kind of discrimination.
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Damn straight. Same thing for pharmacists or any other health official.
