Serious question: if you show an AI an image of a 14-year-old girl, taken from her public Instagram account — what the article says was used to generate fake nudes of her to harass her — how does the AI know she’s 14 and not 18? Or to flip it, if you show it an 18-year-old, how does it know she isn’t 14 — or 17?
What we think of as “a child” is not what the law defines as a child. For the law, it’s 17 and under. For most people, “child” means like, 12 and under. Older than that, they’re a teenager, literally, or also an adolescent. Not saying it makes it okay to look at them. But it does make it harder for technology to determine their legality (age of majority).
As a human, how do you tell if a young-looking nude woman you see on an NSFW Lemmy comm is legal or not? If she’s in the US, typically you have to be 18 to get a tattoo, so a tattoo in an intimate area implies she was of legal age to get said tattoo, though they can be done by amateurs and there may be some pros who don’t ask for ID. But it’s one way, you see ink, you assume age of majority. At the very least it’s plausible deniability. You can’t say pubic hair (or stubble of the same) because that’s typically shaven/waxed in grown women. It’s a trend, and a popular one at that. The fact is, you don’t. You have some criteria and it helps you sleep at night knowing you have some standards. Maybe you saw a 15-17 year old who passed your internal checks and you thought she was legal. Maybe you’re above it all and you don’t even look at naked people online, but that’s beside the point that many still do.
To be clear, I’m as against these “nudify” type apps as anybody. I just want to know how they’re expected to tell a perhaps mature teenager from an under-developed adult without asking for ID. Because that’s another slippery slope we don’t want to go down, but already are. Needing ID to access parts of the Internet, with the true purpose being to identify who is looking at what.
The simple answer is that these models are already programmed and released, and they simply dont have that check. Its not a matter of whether they should or whether the ai needs to be taken down, because none of that is realistic. Looking at the future, because these models can be run locally, there is absolutely nothing you can do at this point to ensure a future with no fake porn around, regardless of how idealistic you are.
So the solution here is security through noise. There are a number of ways to do that, but they all involve dramatic cultural shift, and im quite curious to see what that entails. The first, and imo least likely, is that everyone stops being weird sexual monkeys and stops stigmatizing the human body. People shouldnt have the power over you that comes with being able to show off your nude body. Thats weird. Seeing the body in an exclusively sexual manner is weird anyways. Sexualing nudity, breast feeding, ankles, all this weird cringe shit that all just seems like barely hidden fetishes that everyone seems to engage in. The human body shouldnt be something to be ashamed of as a concept. I could understand not being proud of your body and not wanting to show it off, but the idea that someone walking around in the nude is inheritely sexual just seems to speak volumes about the people saying that to me.
The second option is to make the models as accessible as possible. The idea being to flood the internet with so much ai slop that it becomes unusable, or everything on it is considered fake. This is a future where you see some horrible accident online, and it is your immediate assumption that it is fake. Kinda like a movie, or a scene from a video game, or most likely some strange advertisement. The default state of the itnernet becomes entertainment, not education or social engagment. The people you match with on tinder are assumed to be bots, the person responding to your comment is likely a bot, the person who posted that cool meme was a bot. The default assumption is that its all fake, for entertainment purposes only. Yes, there are nudes of you floating around. Theres also photos of you on the moon, and getting your ladydick sucked by the president, and of you refracting light to form a trans pride flag. Its all fake, and everyone knows it.
Lastly, we have security through oppression. This is where the government uses this whole thing as an excuse to install ever increasing surveilance software on your devices in order to ensure that youre not engaging with illegal software they had a hand in making. The only way to ensure this porn isnt getting produced? Well, in order to connect to the internet you need to have a goverment issued app that scans every file for signs of ai editing. Whats that? The porn is still being produced? I guess that means its getting brought in from an offline source. We need a worm that embeds itself into every file to target machines that are kept on intranets. You know what, its easier to just take everyones computers away unless theyre government sanctioned. Nanny states are surveilance and police states where effectively open sourced software is concerned.
None of this is an issue, unless you are a creep who is interested in riding that barely legal line for thrills. That in and of itself is a creepy thing in my opinion, I don’t condone it, especially if you are specifically trying to blur that legal line for yourself. You’re playing with a hideous fire. You’re asserting that those 5 years, from 13 to 18, make a big difference somehow, but there are 12 years from when a person turns 18 to when they are 30 years old. Shoot for that range and stick to the plenty of reliable online spaces providing LEGAL ADULT models, and that should be as far as you have to think about it. I’m writing this message as a courtesy to you in your life. Stop worrying about this question at all and play it safe ALWAYS. Prioritize legal agency first and foremost, then you can get more creative within that framework as you and your partner become familiar. Don’t focus on the young as possible thing AT ALL is my advice, and especially don’t perseverate on it as much as you are here unless you are writing legislation on it or something. When I was a dating adult, I actually wouldn’t date under 21, because that, in my opinion, is an actual adult with a couple years of adult experience under their belt. There are very few reasons to be worried about someone’s specific age within this relatively short span of someone’s life.
The app mentioned here is disgusting and I’m blown the fuck away that it is not illegal already, btw… Full stop
You can get a good fake id i.e. one printed on the same printers and same printing stock as the DMV for under
$100. When I was in college this knowledge was a common as knowing who to buy weed from.
Ha ha. But, why download anything when it’s all online? Point taken — you don’t have a good answer, so you insult to deflect. The deflection is obvious, the intent, not so much so. A lesser man might think YOU have CSAM on your hard drive. But I think you just don’t know and rather than saying you don’t know or simply saying nothing, you try to derail the conversation.
The point you’re trying to make is forgiving AI for abusing minors (children) because it can’t “know” thier age. You’re making a hebeophile vs pedophile argument for a computer, which just makes you sound like a pedophile.
Also, The internet functions by downloading everything you look at. Any image your computer is displaying has been downloaded to your computer, it doesn’t just stay on the web. So you may still want to scrub your drive.
The point they’re trying to make is that people often throw accusations when sensing that they’re unable to support their argument.
Implying someone a pedophile is not an argument, it is a personal attack. If you have an argument then make it, if not don’t just sling shit and be a toxic internet person.
If they can’t do it while adhering to our society’s desired rules (ie: no sexualizing of minors) then they shouldn’t be allowed to do it at all. It’s not our responsibility to figure out how to solve the AI company’s self created problems for them.
Serious question: if you show an AI an image of a 14-year-old girl, taken from her public Instagram account — what the article says was used to generate fake nudes of her to harass her — how does the AI know she’s 14 and not 18? Or to flip it, if you show it an 18-year-old, how does it know she isn’t 14 — or 17?
What we think of as “a child” is not what the law defines as a child. For the law, it’s 17 and under. For most people, “child” means like, 12 and under. Older than that, they’re a teenager, literally, or also an adolescent. Not saying it makes it okay to look at them. But it does make it harder for technology to determine their legality (age of majority).
As a human, how do you tell if a young-looking nude woman you see on an NSFW Lemmy comm is legal or not? If she’s in the US, typically you have to be 18 to get a tattoo, so a tattoo in an intimate area implies she was of legal age to get said tattoo, though they can be done by amateurs and there may be some pros who don’t ask for ID. But it’s one way, you see ink, you assume age of majority. At the very least it’s plausible deniability. You can’t say pubic hair (or stubble of the same) because that’s typically shaven/waxed in grown women. It’s a trend, and a popular one at that. The fact is, you don’t. You have some criteria and it helps you sleep at night knowing you have some standards. Maybe you saw a 15-17 year old who passed your internal checks and you thought she was legal. Maybe you’re above it all and you don’t even look at naked people online, but that’s beside the point that many still do.
To be clear, I’m as against these “nudify” type apps as anybody. I just want to know how they’re expected to tell a perhaps mature teenager from an under-developed adult without asking for ID. Because that’s another slippery slope we don’t want to go down, but already are. Needing ID to access parts of the Internet, with the true purpose being to identify who is looking at what.
The simple answer is that these models are already programmed and released, and they simply dont have that check. Its not a matter of whether they should or whether the ai needs to be taken down, because none of that is realistic. Looking at the future, because these models can be run locally, there is absolutely nothing you can do at this point to ensure a future with no fake porn around, regardless of how idealistic you are.
So the solution here is security through noise. There are a number of ways to do that, but they all involve dramatic cultural shift, and im quite curious to see what that entails. The first, and imo least likely, is that everyone stops being weird sexual monkeys and stops stigmatizing the human body. People shouldnt have the power over you that comes with being able to show off your nude body. Thats weird. Seeing the body in an exclusively sexual manner is weird anyways. Sexualing nudity, breast feeding, ankles, all this weird cringe shit that all just seems like barely hidden fetishes that everyone seems to engage in. The human body shouldnt be something to be ashamed of as a concept. I could understand not being proud of your body and not wanting to show it off, but the idea that someone walking around in the nude is inheritely sexual just seems to speak volumes about the people saying that to me.
The second option is to make the models as accessible as possible. The idea being to flood the internet with so much ai slop that it becomes unusable, or everything on it is considered fake. This is a future where you see some horrible accident online, and it is your immediate assumption that it is fake. Kinda like a movie, or a scene from a video game, or most likely some strange advertisement. The default state of the itnernet becomes entertainment, not education or social engagment. The people you match with on tinder are assumed to be bots, the person responding to your comment is likely a bot, the person who posted that cool meme was a bot. The default assumption is that its all fake, for entertainment purposes only. Yes, there are nudes of you floating around. Theres also photos of you on the moon, and getting your ladydick sucked by the president, and of you refracting light to form a trans pride flag. Its all fake, and everyone knows it.
Lastly, we have security through oppression. This is where the government uses this whole thing as an excuse to install ever increasing surveilance software on your devices in order to ensure that youre not engaging with illegal software they had a hand in making. The only way to ensure this porn isnt getting produced? Well, in order to connect to the internet you need to have a goverment issued app that scans every file for signs of ai editing. Whats that? The porn is still being produced? I guess that means its getting brought in from an offline source. We need a worm that embeds itself into every file to target machines that are kept on intranets. You know what, its easier to just take everyones computers away unless theyre government sanctioned. Nanny states are surveilance and police states where effectively open sourced software is concerned.
None of this is an issue, unless you are a creep who is interested in riding that barely legal line for thrills. That in and of itself is a creepy thing in my opinion, I don’t condone it, especially if you are specifically trying to blur that legal line for yourself. You’re playing with a hideous fire. You’re asserting that those 5 years, from 13 to 18, make a big difference somehow, but there are 12 years from when a person turns 18 to when they are 30 years old. Shoot for that range and stick to the plenty of reliable online spaces providing LEGAL ADULT models, and that should be as far as you have to think about it. I’m writing this message as a courtesy to you in your life. Stop worrying about this question at all and play it safe ALWAYS. Prioritize legal agency first and foremost, then you can get more creative within that framework as you and your partner become familiar. Don’t focus on the young as possible thing AT ALL is my advice, and especially don’t perseverate on it as much as you are here unless you are writing legislation on it or something. When I was a dating adult, I actually wouldn’t date under 21, because that, in my opinion, is an actual adult with a couple years of adult experience under their belt. There are very few reasons to be worried about someone’s specific age within this relatively short span of someone’s life.
The app mentioned here is disgusting and I’m blown the fuck away that it is not illegal already, btw… Full stop
It’s also super easy to figure out if someone isn’t 21- invite them to a bar that doesn’t serve food. Boom move on.
there is a case of a guy charged for a girl he picked up in a bar
she had a fake id
Well.
I’m just never going out again
You can get a good fake id i.e. one printed on the same printers and same printing stock as the DMV for under $100. When I was in college this knowledge was a common as knowing who to buy weed from.
Some one needs to check your hard drives
Ha ha. But, why download anything when it’s all online? Point taken — you don’t have a good answer, so you insult to deflect. The deflection is obvious, the intent, not so much so. A lesser man might think YOU have CSAM on your hard drive. But I think you just don’t know and rather than saying you don’t know or simply saying nothing, you try to derail the conversation.
Why is that?
The point you’re trying to make is forgiving AI for abusing minors (children) because it can’t “know” thier age. You’re making a hebeophile vs pedophile argument for a computer, which just makes you sound like a pedophile.
Also, The internet functions by downloading everything you look at. Any image your computer is displaying has been downloaded to your computer, it doesn’t just stay on the web. So you may still want to scrub your drive.
The point they’re trying to make is that people often throw accusations when sensing that they’re unable to support their argument.
Implying someone a pedophile is not an argument, it is a personal attack. If you have an argument then make it, if not don’t just sling shit and be a toxic internet person.
If they can’t do it while adhering to our society’s desired rules (ie: no sexualizing of minors) then they shouldn’t be allowed to do it at all. It’s not our responsibility to figure out how to solve the AI company’s self created problems for them.
Stop doing pedophile math.
TL;DR either pedo or AI apologia
Could be both
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You’ve clearly given it some thought, but not enough.
If it can’t tell how old they are… IT DOESN’T MATTER, IT’S NON-CONSENSUAL!