Reposting an old post I made that is more relevant than ever now
I stopped watching The Expanse when it went to Amazon. Was that a mistake?
Rings of Power was hilariously bad though. Money truly cannot buy anything.
No, the first three seasons were significantly better. You stopped at the perfect time to just read the books instead.
Produced by just means “paid for by,” anyway.
So there’s a chance it can still suck if Amazon pays the wrong people to make it.
Even if they pay the right people, it may still suck if they try to influence the creative process at all. Over all, I am not optimistic.
Note from the Executives: The SG-1 crew works for Blue Origin now. They use the Stargates to deliver Amazon packages.
Futurama: SG-1?
Stargate: Planet Express?
Not gonna lie, I would watch a Stargate-Futurama mashup.
The showrunner worked on all three of the TV series so as long as he doesn’t try something like rebooting SGU it might be good.
But if it starts with a drastically older Robert Carlyle defrosting I’m only giving it two episodes.
The one actor who I most want to reprise their role is Michael Welch as Jack
I want Richard Dean Anderson to at least get a cameo. I know he basically quit acting, but he was such a huge part of Stargate that they should find some one-episode thing for him just to acknowledge his role in the series.
Sorry he quit acting, so the best we can do is give you Will Forte.
Will Forte would be fun too, in the right role.
But, I wouldn’t be surprised of RDA could be convinced to do a cameo role. He still does convention events, so it’s not like he just wants to forget his career or something. A cameo might be more like a convention event. Just show up for a day, do a bit of fan service, and go home with a big pile of money. I actually bet the atmosphere on set would be a bit like a convention anyhow. I would bet that a lot of people involved with a new Stargate show are admirers of his, and would want to just get a selfie with him.
If he took up a recurring role it might become like a job again, but for a one-day shoot it would probably be more like something fun.
holy shit. so much this
they said it’s not going to be a reboot of anything.
Open the gates!
so is it continuing what SGU did, or they or moving to another galaxy. SG1 in the milky way has been done to death already, unless they come up with a new enemy cant really match the ORI,wraith, and GOAULD in story arcs.
they also said it would be on earth. all these questions are answered in the 10 minute announcement they made.
Do you know why Ha’tak floats but a Chappa’ai cannot?
I feel like I should… but I am drawing a blank. Illuminate me?
Huh. Never bothered to watch that train wreck, so I guess I was only reacting to the Goa’uld words!
So there’s a chance it can still suck if Amazon pays the wrong people to make it.
Rings of Power.
pretty much. ROP looks like just copied the game storylines.
Produced by just means “paid for by,” anyway.
The problem is when they abruptly cut off funding and sit on the IP indefinitely.
That’s what they did to James Bond .
I hate Amazon as much as is humanly possible, thats not what is happening, though.
Denis villaneuve is directing the movie and has stated that he is isnt looking for a new james bond until dune 3 is finished.
Also, fwiw, barb sat on the IP for no good reason. She was probably looking for a buyer, because a new Bond movie should have happened 2.5ish years ago.
Barbara no longer controls the creative IP.
I thought James Bond is special though? The family still gets to approve the script, so the issue is that Amazon wants to milk it with a crap story, and the family says no this isn’t good enough.
Negative, barbara broccoli sold the creative rights to Amazon.
Yeah looks like you are right. Appears that they just got control of it in Feb.
Yeah.
Imo it fuckin sucks. We will never again get a media mogul like Eliot Carver ever again.
So Amazon sits on the IP because Bezos doesn’t get his way
This is incorrect.
See other comment.
Or if they demand changes, which usually comes with the territory of the person writing the checks.
I closed that gate in 2004.
Still waiting for others to see it, and stop falling for it.
The sweeter the juice, the more dangerous the pitcher plant.
I was fine paying for Amazon to make the highest quality stuff that I wanted to see, like the Expanse, Invincible, the fucking Boys etc as I do believe I can’t bemoan the lack of quality programming if I’m not helping foster it.
But then they included ads in the standard package and I jumped back into the high seas. Fuck that noise.
the invincible more less degraded in quality as the seasons went on, at least for the animation, and the length of time between such short episodes, people are so done with it already. the boyz is ending which makes sense.
Boyz also made sense for 5 seasons, because that was kripke shitick,you get the most out of season 5, nothing more. look at his other IP, SPN, went for 15 under new showrunners it was just a bad fanfic for 15years.
To each their own! I don’t know much about animation other than what my friends try to explain to my drunk ass but I thought, at least for the action sequences (more than half of why I’m in for Invincible) they’ve actually been improving in scope and ambition as it’s gone on.
yea the action/fights were good, but the animations were pretty poor compared to even the first seasons, and there has been questionable sources where the animations are done from. i feel like invincible needed more than 8 episodes, like at least 10-12.
Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, The Witcher, The wheel of Time, have all been huge nerd properties. They were each in their own way, fantastic, and each of them destroyed by someone who either didnt understand them, or wanted to turn them into something else.
I fear the very same thing is about to befall one more 90s/00s nerd show. God knows what theyre about to do to Buffy, but I fear for that one as well.
I’m going to remain cautiously optimisic, they have a lot of the original SG-1 and Atlantis writers and team, as well as some of the crew associated to the movies. But to be honest I’m scared, and 10 episode seasons is already a taste for amazons poor management.
(I won’t get over the SIX episodes for the final season of the Expanse, which I’d still consider a content quality win as far as amazon is involved)
Well, I saw that the showrunner is the same guy that was the show runner for the Quantum leap reboot… I guess thats probably a good indicator of where his heads at in bringing back old properties. It was also set up as a sequel to the older show. I guess we’ll see, but I just cant be optimistic. I would LOVE to be proven wrong though. LOVE IT.
are you talking about sanderson or the show because i can believe both.
Exactly! I was riding in on a noble steed to say how even the named series were okay, but definitely deviated from the source material in ways that altered the morals and viewpoint being pushed (I’ll never forgive what they did to my amos). Like, it’s always going to happen when you change mediums. Just look at how many arguments about how ‘all batman does is beat up people’ that are constantly seen, which is all thanks to the arkham games where, predictably because it’s easy to build the gameplay around, all batman does is beat up thousands of folks. The fear is that even here, without a change of medium, the desire to adapt it to a modern audience is going to drive the writers to ruin the old feeling of the series. Hell, even when produced in the nearly same time frame, the ‘adaptation’ of star gate universe didn’t do well.
I want to believe, I really do, but basically every “new version of thing I loved from childhood” has been profoundly disappointing.
My guess: [bad guy] comes back because [good guy] is actually bad guy now, in a complete reversal of their entire character growth arc, and [bad thing that we took care of in the last show] is back because [history erasing lazy writing so they can just tell the same story again].
I see you have also seen [show/movie brought back after a long gap]!
probably a new enemy, other than the GOAULD, or ori, since they are pratically neutered as an enemy. or the series goes into a new unexplored galaxy which is highly possible. staying in the milky way already as a series already have been played out in sg1, no need to continue it.
also if they care about continuity, they would have to revisit SGU arc at some point too.
I’m probably one of the few people who wants an entirely new universe of Stargate.
I really loved SG-1 and Atlantis, but earth got too OP.
The magic of the series died a bit when they could travel between galaxies in literal weeks by ship. That’s some unfathomably quick technological advancement to make in 10 years, where other more advanced civilisations were around for thousands of years longer and didn’t manage it.
Gate mechanics makes the show, and I reckon they need to reboot it. Even if it’s confirmed they’re not doing that.
wish they would revisit sgu, what happened, obviously they cant continue the story since the actors are largely into other things, ming na had some sucesses like AOS,etc. and they all aged significantly too. hope its not the multiverse thing the other franchises have been doing, MCU ruined it for everyone. like i said, it should be a new galaxy, with occasional crossovers to the OG universes, SGU, SGA, SG1, PLEASE no origin story, they never last. or turn it into a scifi ROP.
I hope they keep Lucian alliance and drones/replicators on the sidelines. They’re the weakest storylines.
lucian alliance is one that never panned out, even compared to the ORI which they were grown from. replicators had a natural arc throughout the series, hope they dont revisit it. i assume you mean the berzerker drones in universe, they were suppose to reveal thier origins in SEASON 3 according to a show writer for the show on r/stargate a while back.
I just find replicators to be a dull enemy in general: there’s so little personality to them. I suppose that’s the point, but it’s not my jam. It was a bit better with the human form replicators and the asurans but not much. The universe drones were worse on that front.
humanizing non-humanoid enemies actually ruined things for people. plus the drones were suppose to have a backstory in season 3, which was revealed by a show writer on sgu, in an AMA on reddit. in a seperate interview, the planetbuilders were going to see more screen time.
How about judging the series after it came out instead of judging a book by its cover? Even if the chances of it being good are slim, it still has a chance. And it would be awful to ignore an amazing series based on assumptions.
It’s not about the book, it’s the profits will go to evil villains and no one needs to see this so bad that it’s worth it.
They say capitalism can be managed by customers controlling their spending but people regularly put their own convenience above everyone else and so that never happens. Nestle doesn’t have to be good because people will still buy their garbage even if they printed “we stole the water to make this” right on the label.
It’s just a TV show. If you can’t live without it then you’re completely broken.
There are sites on the internet where you can download stuff in such a way that it will not profit anyone except maybe a VPN service.
I think the joke is more like judging the book by its publisher than by its cover. I would be hyped if all we saw was the cover, but that’s probably also missing the point of giving the show a chance to either excite or disappoint.
Pirate it and encourage all your friends to pirate it.
This is the way.
I was trying to think of a way to shoehorn in my opinion on Wheel of Time, but fuck it, I’ll just say it.
Wheel of Time sucked. They fucked it up badly.
I went in thinking “ok, fan fiction, alternate take on the universe”, and it was an ok show with some surprisingly great parts. Then the season two plot was just a turtle fucking a snail, and I was done.
Edit: to be clear, it was slow motion WTF, why is this nothing happening?
Eh I had accepted the major and completely unnecessary changes. In fact, I got used to them and was really enjoying it in the last season as it was finally getting better.
Then it got cancelled for no reason.
Maybe you can clear this up for me, but I didn’t like it because I couldn’t “connect” with any of the characters. Many of the scenes, for all the amazing set, costume, and effects work, just felt flat and uninteresting. Also, the story as told just felt odd like it was hard to follow for some reason. Do you happen to know of a better breakdown of what went wrong here? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills since I can’t exactly quantify why I found something with high production values not hitting the mark somehow.
I think it just had that ineffable quality of an adaptation where the people making it genuinely did not give a fuck about the source material. The fact that it ostensibly comes from such a great source gives their shitty, poorly thought out decisions an unearned confidence and gravity.
Most of the people watching it will never know that it shat all over all the things that made Wheel of Time great.
The books are slow at times, but everything has a payoff. Robert Jordan was ridiculously meticulous, where every little thing he introduced had a meaning, and more importantly everything followed a consistent set of rules. Like he wouldn’t just give a modern Aes Sedai the ability to rendezvous with her lover 400 miles away just to create a sexy side plot. And if he did give her that ability, he’d have done it within the framework of the rules. Like the showrunners could have used that to introduce Tel’aran’rhiod (world of dreams) a little early, probably through the use of a ter’angreal (magical artifact with a specific function). Instead they didn’t give a shit.
When it comes right down to it, they just didn’t respect their audience. And when a show doesn’t respect its audience, it leaves a stink.
but the boxes amazon was shipping things in to promote wheel of time where really nice, I still have one
Yarrr, I might take a gander
Amazon has financed the Expanse. That’s it. The evil fuckers have zero credit to the quality of the TV adaptation. It was two seasons at SyFy - then, sadly but unsurprisingly, SyFy was unable to turn it into a source of revenue (Hi Firefly :( ) and amazon financed it because the shitbucket in chief at amazon is an Expanse fan.
Then why did it get so much worse after it shifted to Amazon? The first three seasons are a good adaptation, the next three spiral and make some really bad changes to the text of the books. I recommend that new viewers only watch enough to get hooked and then go read the books.
I read the books and I think both tell a good story in their own right. What was it that annoyed you so much about the TV adaptation? The only thing I kind of disliked was
spoiler
how Fred went out :::.
I think it was 3 seasons at syfy.
There is a bit of a shift between season 3 and 4.
indeed - you are correct. I thought it was 3 for a long time then somewhere mistakenly picked up that the transition happened after season 2. My bad.
Hey now. No need to drag shitbuckets through the mud here. 🤌🏼
I’m cautiously optimistic if for no other reason than some of the original peeps are the ones creating it.
But it’s Bezos! I’m not giving Bezos any more money.
The new Critical Role cartoon series is out as well, and despite being a fan, I ain’t watching that because it’s on Prime. (I’m also not pirating it btw, I’ll keep hoping that it’ll eventually get released on BluRay or something)
Yarr.
Y’arr
(A bit like y’all, it means all the arrs. Not to be confused with Yar, that sleeps with the Tar.)
Y’umptoo?
(Are you all also going to do it as well?)
Y’itpdrwitii?
(Is the poop deck really what i think it is?)
A Blu-ray release would still be giving money to Amazon, since it’s their production, though…?
But not ongoing payments. And I’d own physical disks so that I can watch it whenever I like without paying more.
You have a very weird moral system you’ve set up there for enjoying entertaient media.
- won’t stream it because you dislike the corporate owner.
- won’t pirate it (even though all the show makers/actors/artists/etc are already paid at that point, just leaving the corporate owner you dislike)
- will buy it as a once-off purchase (still supporting the corporate owner you dislike).
Yep that’s confusing me.
That’s fair.
Not if they wait long enough to buy it second hand, well at least not their purchase. Just a matter of how long they would be willing to wait.
I’m also not pirating it btw
Any reason why?
Out of principle. If I can’t legally access the content (whether out of refusal to pay a billionaire anymore money or any other reason), I won’t consume it in any other way.
When I was a poor student I pirated a lot, but now that I’m making money, I’m making the concious decision to not pirate anymore.
So in this case it means, unless they get released on physical media, I won’t be able to watch it.
It’s out of principle that I do pirate things. The entertainment conglomerates have used their money and power to completely warp the copyright system so that it hurts the public and benefits them. They’ve abused it so that it doesn’t even benefit artists anymore. As some have said, lengthening or strengthening copyright at this point is basically just like giving a bullied kid more money. The money goes to the bullies and the kid just gets beaten up again.
Why would you think it’s morally right to obey an unjust law?
You make a compelling argument.
I don’t really want to faff with VPNs and such to get my stuff either, so there’s that too.
I have plenty of DVDs and BluRays (most bought at goodwill stores) to last me a while.
Good for you for sticking to your principles. My approach is a bit different. If I can’t buy it in way I get to keep it, it’s high seas time!
I would guess they want the Critical Roll crew to get paid, and there are far better ways than passively giving them watch time on a streaming service.
Edit: I don’t follow them, but maybe they have a patreon?
Edit 2: I just realized that since they distributed through Amazon, they probably can’t distribute their own content. So sail the seas or feed the beast, I guess.
I got my start in print publishing via Amazon and they pretty much own whatever I published through them. It’s easy to jump in, difficult to climb out.
I imagine if you buy merch from them, they keep a lot more than their share of the streaming revenues. Beacon probably also gives them more money directly. But, I imagine that in Hollywood having a big successful show on a major network is probably better for your career than making money in ways that the Hollywood press doesn’t report on.
I wish they would put their cartoon also on their own streaming platform Beacon. But alas, Bezos prefers exclusivity.
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Just be longer than 10 episodes
i’ll take 10 episodes of gold over 1000 episodes of shit.
But that’s not what we’re getting. Lot’s of series either are or have become 10 epusides of over-bloated visual spectical with bad writing desperately trying to be a 10 hour movie.
I will take 20 episodes of low budget gold over 10 episodes of shiny poop.
Ok? Good thing a full season is only ~20? And the benefit of a full season is the character development, which is where the gold comes from, not some 10 episode story you forget about next week.
10 would me that have to omit many things, but currently streaming are penny pinchers so they mostly only do 8-10 at the most. i think many shows on prime suffered because the budget went to ROP seasons.
10 is too short for scifi, at least do the normal sg version, 10 per half season to flesh out more material. 10 isnt enough to do that.
But what about the rings of power?
SEAL THE IRIS!
What is this from? I keep seeing gifs of soldiers fighting medieval knights and it looks really cool
I’m not sure about this gif, but that’s the premise of GATE.
Thanks I appreciate the direction. Even if that isn’t it still looks cool
It is indeed GATE! One of my personal favorites, or the first season at least.
Here is the scene I grabbed it from.
The style seems to be similar to a Titmouse production, could be from The Mighty Nein.
