A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Schools with zero tolerance policies are bullshit.
Sometimes kids hit other kids. They’re figuring shit out.
Plus sometimes situations deserve a little violence.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
I hope they win the lawsuit.
I have a feeling it was the oh-so-popular “0 tolerance” policy that she was punished and he wasn’t. Because the policy didn’t cover what he did. And schools these days love to avoid accountability or being adults when it matters.
She was 100% in the right and this is not morally ambiguous
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
While I agree with the sentiment on the surface, naïveté doesn’t solve the root issue. We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct. Sociopaths and misogynists will always exist. That’s why it’s important for a healthy society to root them out as soon as they show their true colors.
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Exactly, this shit is on his parents just as much as on him. More even. His parents didn’t teach him to respect women and girls and in general to respect other people’s boundaries.
I also think self defense for girls and young women should be a mandatory class taught at every school. This boy is already degrading girls sexually against their will. Girls should know how to protect themselves from creeps like him.
They expelled her. That seems crazy if it is her first incident. Suspension sure.
More importantly, how did the school address the bullying? Did the person who made it see any consequences? Did she report it and did the school ignore it? All of those matter.
Was he expelled though? Only physical violence is an expellable offense? Making porn of a classmate and sharing it doesn’t get you expelled? What the fuck?
Would that be CSAM? Seems pretty serious if it was any 13 year old girl period.
What he did is WAY worse. Fuck that kid, or make a deepfake porn of it? I dont know what lesson the law wants us to get out of this. If she’s expelled, dude needs to deported.
back in the day we fought back intending to do as much damage as possible because of equal punishment. how did things get worse than equal punishment
Girls and women always get punished for standing up for themselves at least that has been my experience
fucking WOW, schools have not improved about dealing with bullying a single fucking bit in the last three decades at least.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I’m convinced that kids starting to get in so much trouble for fighting (really started up about 30 years ago) is why so many people have grown up being little assholes. No one grew up learning consequences for being a dick.
I’m flabbergasted that the school wouldn’t let her call her parents. I don’t see how they have the right to do that without parental permission, not matter the reason why. But that supports violence. She tried what she was taught to do. The adults in the building failed. So she stood up for herself.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
Violence isn’t the answer to trolling.
I hope this girl gets better influences that can show her right from wrong and how to be the bigger person. Her reaction would not fly in the real world.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
A new account defending sexual assault? Classy.
Go back to reddit, pervert.
I love the double down edit.
Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
HL Mencken
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
Hey guy, YOU don’t get to make explicit videos/pictures of whatever weird shit you want if it involves another person.
This involved a real little girl who now knows for a fact that there’s a little boy who sees her boundaries as non-existent and just uses her body however the fuck he wants with no regard to her feelings.
Get all the way fucked. I wish she beat his ass for this.
Exactly. Even if this was two adults it’d still be incredibly fucked up and wrong and, if in a workplace, should be a slam dunk win in a lawsuit
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
It’s porn.
She’s a child.
It’s child porn.
Her first response wasn’t violence. She was let down badly by the school then pushed and pushed until she hit him.
A person putting a hidden camera in a child’s bathroom to get videos of them naked is also child porn and they also deserve violence upon them.
Making sexually explicit AI videos of minors absolutely deserves violence
If the article instead said the girls father who happens to be Mike Tyson punched the 13 year old boy so hard he had brain damage I could see an argument for that possibly being excessive.
With an emphasis on “possibly”
You are either uninformed or callous to the amount of damage that those videos can have to a 13yr old girl.
But the actions that boy took likely permanently altered that girls life for the worse including a significantly higher chance of suicide
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That was what was stated and also seems to be agreed is the correct response to
child pornsorry “sexualy explicit AI videos of minors”.
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
I’m poking holes in his argument heehee!
These are real fucking people. Get some empathy.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
What about 14? Is it ok then?
She got expelled for doing something stupid at 13. Are they the same?
Until at least 18 he should be. Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal. Sharing it with classmates is seriously sick behavior. He sounds like an aspiring rapist and needs a serious wake up call.
Check this dude’s hard drives
Only once she hit him.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
When I worked on the help desk I used to suggest to my boss that we should get one free “go off on a caller” per month and that it would do wonders for morale. He did not agree with me.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
Hopefully you don’t get picked by Deonte Wilder. Kinda a death sentence for anyone that
isn’t trainedisn’t able to defend themselves.I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
‘How I met your mother’'s SLAP Bet was amazing.
We have fists for a reason. And in this case, I believe it’s justified.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
Ours is a society of ignorance and cowardice. From a perspective of objective neutrality, in a state of nature, the ethically correct response is killing the aggressor.
By doing so for tens of thousands of years, humanity weened itself of the vestigial psychopathy that had dominated our species, until a civilization could actually thrive. Ironically now, civilization protects those same monsters and infests our institutions with them, since we have lost all perspective on defending ourselves from the existential threat they pose to all life on earth.
i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
“See kids? This is why you shouldn’t smoke pot.”
Serious question, why are those who hit a bully get punished instead? No wonder there is rise of authoritarianism because the bully are practically worshipped and given a pass. Bullying is embedded in the culture.
I was lucky to be out of school before the zero tolerance shit got fully entrenched. Punching the people who were fucking with me was the only thing that ever got it to stop.
Let me get this straight… some jackass made deepfake porn of a 13 year old and SHE gets expelled for giving him a well deserved smack?
I hope that asshole gets to be on a sex offender list at least.
a well deserved smack?
Your parents should have raised you better.
Edit for the downvoters: This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
This is why, for good reason, none of you are in a position to make decisions that matter.
Says the guy who gets triggered by negative internet points.
Seriously dude, do some soul searching or something like that. No emotionally stable person makes these kinds of statements.
I’m a parent. I would back up my daughter on this one if it happened to her. That is certainly my decision to make and it matters more than you think.
Make it a teachable moment: “Don’t get caught next time”
Yikes. I hope your daughter learns from your mistakes so she doesn’t end up trying to solve her problems with violence when she’s an adult.
You should be teaching her to be the bigger person and how to walk away. I genuinely pity her for having a parent like you.
Edit for the downvoters (again): You would all make horrible parents and will never know the satisfaction of saying you’re proud of your child for being the bigger person and making the mature decision.
You’d better hope your kids don’t end up picking fights they can’t win, because that happens all the time and it isn’t pretty.
P.S. It’s really funny watching you children go through all of my posts and downvote them. I’m glad I don’t have any of you as a parent!
Anyone who claims people are horrible parents for downvoting thier opinion on reddit is… “probably” a horrible parent. Could just be having a bad day or something. But the odds lean pretty far over given the detailed opinions expressed.
Motherfucker, you know what happens if you walk away from an abuser? They abuse you further. Read the fucking article. Violence wasn’t her first response. It was her last resort. Some need to be dealt with violence, since it’s the only language that they understand.
I see you replying with the same bullshit on over this post. I wonder why you feel so comfortable defending a piece of shit pervert.
You are too far gone and this will be my last reply to you.
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Goodbye, ‘motherfucker.’
Her abuser got his punishment and did not need her violence for it to happen.
Can you read? If yes, read the article. She did try other things. Nothing worked. It’s easier to say wise-sounding shit when you make up your own facts, I guess.
I hope you step on a lego and develop a skin disease.
Kys
It’s sad that you feel vindicated in saying such things simply because the group is on your side.
Think for yourself. If you can.
Violence solves all kinds of problems, what kind of semi-transparent naive hothouse flower are you?
Lol. I get it. Your and my dad had morals but didn’t do a lot with them. So we had to show up and be the actual Christian to the friends and family while Dad is away at work. When you get older you realize what was missing was balance and a recognition that there is a season and time for everything - including violence.
You don’t get anything, no matter how much you convince yourself that you do.
I get that it takes a lot of anger to say something like that to a random stranger who can’t physically harm you.
We get it, you’re morally superior to anyone who has ever been willing to physically fight for something, don’t break your arms jerking yourself off up there on your high horse.
I think it is you who is the questionable person here.
I hope her parents have the good sense to financially crucify the school district. “No tolerance” policies are bullshit and favor the offender.
Indeed. I always tell my kids don’t punch first. Punch last.
I would consider making deep fake porn of someone (a minor, especially) and publishing it to be punching first.
A big part of the problem is also that schools see physical violence separate from emotional violence. That is…they don’t see emotional violence. They handwave it as “just bullying”. The bully gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist (if that) until they strike physically.
And, the school exists in a bubble. If bullying happens outside of school/the bus (say, online), their hands are tied.
Then one day the bullied kid snaps and schools acts like it was completely unprovoked.
“never start a fight, but be prepared to finish one” is how I was taught
Wow…gotta love a future where you fuck around and the victim gets to find out instead of the offender
That’s always been the case.
Same as it ever was.
'Murica? Of course.
I got arrested for self-defence against a bully. I was still a minor. Then the scool district tried to expel me. Probably me being Asian has something to do with it, “perpetual foreigner”, always expected to be submissive and this “model minority”, always expected to endure abuse and any deviation from that make you an evil foreigner. Literally, its always white kids and black kids get along very well, its always Asians getting alienated, even the ABCs would bully you, particulary the English-only ABCs. I get excluded from both groups.
So… that day… that was the day I learned the truth: ACAB.
School admin sided against me, cops just accepted their side being the bastard they are, of couse it’s me, the obvious “foreign looking” kid and therefore “must be” the “troublemaker”.
Bruh, kids literally have mini-school “gangs” (not really real gangs, but that’s how I’d describe their groups they formed). But the lonely Asian nerd is obviously the issue. FFS.
Authorities cannot be trusted, authorities must be constantly questioned and challenged.
School is authoritarian, this applies everywhere in the world, but especially in a very militaristic country like the US. Now to be very clear, I do not hate this country, I just hate this weird militarism and the obsession with “Law and Order” and rigid enforcement of rules, and BS “Zero Tolerence” policies, that turns a blind-eye to the first strike, then any any act of self-preseration is scrutinized and treated as the first strike, the aggressor. Any small incident is escalated for no fucking reason.
(Sorry for the rant)
