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Death to the nazis
Dress up as maga while you slash their tires, throw paint over their cars… letsgooooo bully trump and nazi’s out
At this point, ICE is just a group of people who harass Latinos based on racist criteria. It doesn’t even have to do with immigration.
As a white person, I think of the German people who did nothing when Jewish people were gradually stripped of rights, before the eventual death camps, and I’m not actually sure of what to do. I also am not really convinced that there are no Latinos being sent to death camps right now. If there were, would I know somehow?
My political views are somewhat moderate. I just don’t like racism.
Is there anything I can do that will have any meaningful impact on protecting Latinos from this racism? I do not consider protests to be meaningful and I am not asking for any suggestions that are illegal, especially since the government probably trolls these posts. I feel like I’m being a bad person by doing nothing.
Supposedly that’s already happening. Many of the people that were sent to alligator Alcatraz were never seen again. They weren’t traceable. And yet neighboring countries are reportedly finding bodies washing up on their shores. The running theory is that the US has been flying them out into the ocean, dropping them in there to drown to disappear them. It’s horribly evil, and yet it’s plausible.
We’re almost to the end of the end of the poem. I fully expect to hear “and then they came for me“ any day now
I’m German and when I was in elementary school in the 90s we learned about the Nazi regime. An old woman visited our class to talk about what is was like for her as a child under Hitler. I remember that she said some people just disappeared and noone really knew why. There were rumours about prisons or labor camps but noone knew for sure what happened to the people who disappeared. She only learned about the concentration camps after the war was over.
I bet in a decade or so we will learn about all the horrors that are really going on right now.
Have you got sources on the bodies thing? I’m going to look for myself now but just curious where this is reported because I haven’t seen anything
FoundNYT article but it’s more about people America is killing in boat strikes
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/world/americas/trinidad-bodies-us-strike-venezuela.html
You could warn your area if you see ICE around on this website.
Finding and getting involved in a local mutual aid group would be quite meaningful, as it would allow you to meet people who share your same concerns IRL, and be able to plan and organize for how to react in your area. It’s very make a meaningful difference alone, finding a solid group is very important.
Attempting to unionize your workplace if it isn’t already would be very helpful to further prepare for a General Strike (as they usually have strike funds to make a general strike financially bearable), which is pretty much our last non-violent option to prevent all of this from progressing. You can see how a general strike helped cripple Chile’s government while civil unrest was occurring in this documentary.
I’d recommend contacting the IWW, who will gladly train you to become an organizer with proven techniques to unionize your workplace.
Lastly, I’d also recommend checking out the book Full Spectrum Resistance for a more complete guide on how to prepare and respond.
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/ wouldn’t let me on the website because I’m using Tor Browser in safer mode and WebGL is blocked (Vercel Security Checkpoint Failed to verify your browser Code 11) and I’m not willing to go on a website like that without using Tor Browser. I really don’t trust anything that doesn’t trust Tor Browser.
They’ve been chipping away at Tor browser for a while now. It’s well known that it can be fingerprinted now. I think it was like last year or something where they made a change they lied about and got caught. Eventually enough people had it that someone finally tested the damn thing and demonstrated the flaw. The tor browser people said too bad we’re not changing it. It was something that was intentionally introduced to enable fingerprinting on tor. The network itself seems very good but tor browser itself, not so much
I’m not saying to stop using tor, but you really should diversify your shit. Look into i2p, set up a reticulum node, get multiple options ready. The great danger of tor is that damn near everybody involved in darknet stuff is using it, which means it’s an incredibly appealing target for the feds who have demonstrated they are not to be trusted
It wouldn’t let me there either. Not sure it’s my VPN or my browser, but I figured most people aren’t going to have as intense of a privacy set-up as we do. I also don’t know of an alternative to that site now that the ICE Block app was removed from stores.
For all I know, the website could be a honeypot, although I have no reason to suspect that. But I don’t know who the developer is, I don’t know what Vercel is, I don’t know why Anubis isn’t sufficient.
Get trained by a local rapid response team. You can’t directly interfere, but by enabling people to exercise their legal rights, you can prevent a significant fraction of snatch and grabs and significantly slow ICE & CBP.
Do local response teams have use for people with extremely limited Spanish? I’ll try to find out. It’s a good idea.
Yes. You can:
- identify ICE/CBP
- alert the rest of the team
- blow a whistle to alert those nearby
- ask to see warrants
- film what is going on for accountability
I think of the German people who did nothing
Yup… It’s painful. I’m with you. There was a great answer below.
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This comment section is full of fedposting.
Fr, people need to stop treating the internet as equivalent to IRL discussions. Like literally every comment is “shoot your local cop”, I mean like, I’m not saying that I disagree with the sentiment, but like… seriously lol? How is suicide by cop gonna change anything?
Just as with computers, your brain also needs a “firewall”.
Exactly. Assemble a countrywide militia THEN shoot the nazis
Real talk. People like to pretend they are the boogie man the right is trying to create. But outside of the superhero frog, most of us are just regular people.
Well fucking do something
23 minute account lmao
Hi FBI
What is fedposting?
People trying to get you to do or say something which could earn you a visit from the police. Open calls for violence or to break the law in some specific manner. E.g. “shoot your local ICE agent”.
I’m not going to say that violence is never justified, but anyone loudly advocating it in leftist spaces online should be viewed with a very suspect eye. The online is very real and your posts here very much can be connected to your identity.
Interesting! And good to know. Thanks for the info.
This comment sectionEvery comment section on Lemmy is full of fed posting.FTFY
Shot from behind by federal agents, seems the key missing element of that title.
If you treat people as a group, they tend to lock together as a group. The police are already getting pissed off with ICE, in many places. That crack needs to be pryed open. Indifferent, pissed off police/FBI etc is a lot better than them standing in lockstep with ICE.
Yah we can do more good leveraging the fact that most of these ICE agents are illegitimate and just poorly trained ticks riding on Trump’s political narratives and not real federal agents.
We can make the cops hate them and support the narrative that these ICE goons are trying to usurp local authority.
Then when the tide turns and ICE is pushed back into the sea or wherever the fuck they came from, we can go back to hating on the cops. We gotta take the stairs one step at a time.
It’s worth noting, that the police issue in America is very solvable. Most of the Western world’s police use a “police by consent” default. America’s “police by overwhelming force” is the outlier. It leads to a lot of your issues over there. While they are far from perfect, the UK police are far better than America police.
It’s worth looking for the opportunity to reform the police in the process, not just hate on them (ineffectively).
+1 to pushing ICE into the sea, and reclaiming our own.
they’re hardly federal agents
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There are two very obvious peices that show the government side is lieing… 1 - a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, said … 2 - Then the agent “holstered” his fire arm
The main requirement to be a spokesperson for anything in this administration is to lie. And ICE has orders to escalate, not descalate.
Jimenez pulled up to three immigration officers, two from Border Patrol and another form ICE and “engaged in a verbal altercation,” it states.
It doesn’t even get any better if you just accept their version of what happened. Six agents vs one guy in a “verbal altercation”, and they think it’s ok to just start blasting?
What a shithole.
Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.
We have learned what happens when a fascist leader implements martial law and gives themselves extensive powers to fully clinch a full dictatorship.
Yeah who cares about the people who will die in the meanwhile am I right
Obviously that’s the main problem I am talking about. If you get killed and just watch or at max hold up a sign, then I don’t feel sorry for you, as it was obviously not bad enough for you to properly react to such domestic terror
Fuck off
Oh if I would live there, that’d be exactly what I’d do, genius. 🤣
Nah, I don’t think you would. Don’t you think others think like you do? Where’s the unrest? Talking is easy.
It’s really hard to comprehend from an outside perspective that returning to the state of affairs with all the people being killed annually by cops or imprisoned for trivial/made-up stuff is the much preferred choice to the current state.
Just awful.And it’s an still there, but now there is ICE too, foreign concentration camps multiplied/got outsourced, and military is being tested.
In a country that wanted change, but got the opposite - just a lot more of the same(ish) problems. And they did that by voting.
I’m not sure any legal mechanism (and there are a bunch afaik) can successfully inhibit the current administration to either just carry on or print ballots with only their names on it. Or just declare a winner without even counting the votes.
A hungry nation fighting for food is in a bad position for a general strike.
This is really some russia level shit.
This is some Republic卐n-level shit.
How is that symbol even allowed lmaoo 💀 💀 🐸
it has more than one meaning
Even in Russia, people are not being shot on the streets: detained, beaten up, etc - yes (I’m not saying this is good of course), but not shot. The US quickly took the lead in some of the dystopian stuff.
russia, putin banned gun ownership, he doesnt want a violent uprising of his own. its only matter of time before trump does it. also most of trumps administration are hiding like rats on military bases.
It’s not Putin who banned something, guns were historically harder to own in Russia, and USSR before.
And gun ownership doesn’t really help in the US right now. People sit with their guns being quiet.Most civilized countries ban or severely limit gun ownership.
As does Russia.
The US has always been the outlier in that regard.right, here in Canada, you don’t have the right to bear arms, but you can own a firearm for certain purposes. one of them is not killing others or for self-defense. You also need to take a course and have a psych eval. I know for one, i would fail because i have BPD.
Canada is fucked. Surrounded by Russia and the United States of Russia.
RUSR.
When they annex Canada - CURSR (SUCRR?).
After Mexico - CRRUMS.
Russia doesn’t even gun down its citizens in the streets, this is some 3rd world shit.
ICE executes a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Here, I fixed the headline for you.
they successfully executed the guy in franklin park illinois for the crime of driving away.
Per the article:
unnecessarily shot in the back of his right shoulder where a bullet remains lodged
He is still alive
ICE attempts to murder a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Nailed it?
Okay this is good.
Let’s iterate this until it’s perfect. I think attempted unnecessarily waters it down.
How about
ICE shoots a US citizen in the back of the head in front of children.
That’s ok then.
Does the truth only matter to you if it’s aligned in all respects with the narrative?
Be better.
Do you think it’s ok he got shot? Thats the problem, that ICE thought shooting someone, anyone, was ok. It’s not.
Let’s recap. The comment you replied to said that it would be false to say “ICE executes a US citizen by shooting him in the back of the head” because ICE didn’t kill him, and he wasn’t shot in the back of the head.
You replied (sarcastically) with “That’s OK then,” implying that you thought it was necessary to tell someone who stated correctly that ICE didn’t kill a man that what ICE did wasn’t OK. To be clear, that person didn’t say, “this is fine because the guy is still alive”, they were just correcting someone who falsely said ICE killed someone.
So why do you think literally anyone here thinks it is OK that someone got shot? Nobody has said that it’s OK. Just to spell it out:
you have read someone making a correct point that ICE didn’t kill someone as “ICE shot someone, but it’s OK.”
To me, that says one thing: you think that it is not important to speak the truth about ICE if that truth is that they didn’t behave in the worst possible way. Any truth that doesn’t align with the narrative of “ICE bad” is not important truth to you, right? The only statements that should be written are those which criticise ICE.
Does that sound about right? If so, then I’ll just say again: you need to be better than that. If not, then what possible reason do you have for asking “do you think it’s OK he got shot” when no-one said that it is OK?
I’m hugely disappointed that you feel the need to make the distinction, it’s incredibly USAian.
My point, all along, is that ICE shouldn’t be behaving how they are, at all, it’s fucked.
My point, all along, is that ICE shouldn’t be behaving how they are, at all, it’s fucked.
And you felt the need to make that point, repeatedly, when no-one disagreed with it. And you won’t even begin to talk about why.
Yes, I think we absolutely need to make a decision between true things and false things. I don’t give a shit what country you associate that habit with because it’s so clearly important and positive. You’ll have to actually respond to me if you want to convince me that it is anything other than vital in today’s “post-truth” landscape.
But that was not the point. The point was did someone get executed or shot in the back? No-one is saying either story is ok but only one is true.
I’m disappointed that you feel the need to make the distinction.
The other one is a lie. I am disappointed in you at this point.
Literally no one said anything to that effect. Learn to read.
He’s alive
Totally, this headline is not nearly sensationalist and misleading enough for my taste.
I’m going to go back to r/politics if this doesn’t change!
edit: The art is to be resolute without weapons, strategic, smart, large-scale and unpredictable. A national strike would work better yeah but is tricky ig lots of americans need their salary too but you can set up a strike fund for those people perhaps? idk and supporting organizations that protect independent branches of power, independent judges, iguess, protectdemocracy.org for example ig
I dont get it lmao you get arrested without arms anyway so… why you even have guns in america for anyway if not for against nazis?
I’m an outsider but I think the reality is very clearly not that simple.
Most people are still not being arrested, and most of those arrested or involved with the police or federal agents are not being assaulted with deadly weapons. It’s not at the point where it is some kind of obvious choice to make it a fight.
In fact, in reality, that is rarely the case I would say, because the fascists are incentivised to not make it so clear cut and obvious, because then people fight back. That’s why the worst crimes of fascist regimes are usually conducted in secrecy and with denial. Even when e.g. France was conquered by the Nazis, most people were not part of The Resistance.
stop telling people to start shooting. You think its as simple as one person killing a ICE agent and they pack it up and go home. it will take more than that to push back the issues going on
At least you saved someone then…
hmm…fair point.
but NO no u are right be forceful without weapons best … to help more people in the end than just the one idk
As if the detainee is going to get away clean forever after their arresting officer gets blasted. PuddingHelmet is a wildly accurate username.
Identifying agents and their families is the silver bullet, which is why it’s seen as such an offense to the government. Currently, agents are able to threaten people and their families without similar threat, and they’re confident in their numbers in a fight. If they faced the same fears they impose, they would chill out very quickly.
Most gun owners don’t carry them around 24/7 and probably .0001% of gun owners are actively looking for shoot outs with federal agents at any given time 🤣. They are not arresting gun owners currently do that’s why the lack of resistance id guess.
A cop without a warrant is just an armed trespasser.
Well for one reason they haven’t come to my home yet. They seem to be going after mostly defenseless people with overwhelming force. I’m assuming they’re fucking cowards and they’re not putting themselves in danger intentionally.
Public accountability and punishment for the culprit is much more effective than just start shooting them, of course. But for decades, some Americans kept claiming they needed guns to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, they’ve been waving “don’t tread on me” flags, and here’s the government treading on people, and there’s not a peep from the gun lobby.
I mean I get it and I see your point - if you’re going to get arrested/shot/killed anyways might as well go down guns blazing and hopefully taking a nazi with you.
The reality is americans don’t want to do that. none are actually willing to die for their country.
Its what MAGA wants. If ICE starts getting shot then Trump will send in the guard.
Its a waiting game. Maybe we can have another election, maybe it could be fair, maybe the dems will take two branches and start impeaching and/or prosecuting. Not likely … the dems probably sold out.
I’m so fucking tired of being fearful of what MAGA wants.
They already have what they want!
Why wont MAGA learn to assimilate in to the broader culture? They come to us demanding we do things their way instead of learning our way. They want our taxes, attention, and opportunities but what do they give back? They dont create our art, movies, music, shows, books, poems, or science. They dont generate positive revenue in their states. They dont know our constitution or our laws. They wont respect our flag or our troops active or retired. They refuse to pay taxes. They spread disease on purpose. They have the lowest education rates. They have the highest violent crime rates including gun deaths and domestic abuse. They have higher divorce rates and the poverty rate is unreal.
They sort of tried to blend in, camouflage, they rolled along with it, and in fits and starts they threw tantrums about not being allowed to say the (bigoted) things on their mind without being made to feel wrong or looked down on for it.
Then along came Trump and so many of these muted bullies, racists, misogynists, and homophones saw that someone could sa6 those things publicly and not only not be shouted down, but also gain support.
They rallied behind the big bully, because even though he hits them too and takes their lunch money, he makes them feel accepted for their bigotry instead of chastened. Not to mention, they now have a big public banner for their different tribalistic hatreds, a large group that can differ in individual views but generally doesn’t cast aspersions over belittling and dehumanizing people. The club doesn’t all have to agree on anything except that voicing your hateful feelings is acceptable or even admirable.
All of this is stuff that’s been stirring for so long, and of course Trump is just the person who managed to light the fire without getting buried for it. Yet here he is, wielding the power to enrich himself and his cohort, protect himself from punishment for his many past and present crimes, and have people hang off his every word on the planet’s biggest stage. What more could a greedy, narcissistic rapist want?
It’s a religion being MAGA.
No, they dont have what they want yet. They want liberals to start fighting back violently so they can sick ICE on them. Persecution by voter registration.
The funny thing about having what you want … you decide you want more.
Noone ever stops because they have what they want.
It just sucks being torn between
• If I do nothing, MAYBE others will resolve all this somehow, or maybe not and it just keeps gets worse for the foreseeable future.
• If I do something, maybe some good comes of it in the short- or long-term. Probably I will suffer excessive consequences, and most likely the propaganda machine uses it to fan the flames and accellerate the power grabs even more.
Either way could bear positive results. Either way could lead to things getting worse.
But certainly important elemens are not giving up, offering support where and to whom you can, standing up when it counts, and fighting (nonviolently) when you can.
I understand that opinions differ on if and when violent action should be used, and I’m not wise enough to offer any endorsement on that topic. I’m also not really here for any response to the effect of “obviously violence is the only moral option when lives and communities are threatened” or any other conversation about where to draw that line in the sand.
So buy a rifle, find a place to practice with it, and practice every day you can afford to. The best thing right now is to start preparing. Is your pantry stocked for at least a month? Is your water supply dependent on electricity? Right now is time to be building community networks, designating roles and leadership, defining goals and abilities, and practicing marksmanship. If you think you’re going to be able to carry on a guerilla insurgency and also lay down suppressive fire, you’ll be hearing your rifle click by the end of the week. Learn to make quick, accurate shots, and leaving the area immediately. Practice pop up shots, limit scope time, learn to scope with both eyes open. I can’t help but assume so many of the pudding heads screaming for Americans to start killing officers have very little or zero firearms experience and absolutely no tactical or combat experience outside of COD
Gonna be honest, I don’t have what it takes to be on the front lines of any conflict. My body is not made for sustained action. This is medically probably not remediable. The biggest thing I’d be able to do in a firefight where anyone needs me to move around extensively and still be useful is take a bullet meant for someone more capable.
Taking a bullet as a shield is not your best use. Most of the real work will be behind the line. Organizing food, munitions delivery, just being an available part of the structure will be more useful than any triggerman. And as an able-bodied, hot blooded young-ish man, it is my fucking honor to take your place on the front line if you are willing to do the actual hard work of supporting the fighters. My body for yours brother, and anybody else’s willing to commit to the cause. I am really afraid this shit is going to get bloody before it gets better. I hope that Lemmy’s defederated nature allows us to effectively use it as a method of insurrectionist communication. We’re going to need it.
This sums up exactly how most of us feel.
There is a vocal minority that wants to run out into the streets and start throwing bricks through windows, but that is not what is needed right now.
Sadly, we need to let MAGA simmer because they are cooking themselves. The US cannot exist like this, people HATE this country right now and the billionaires can’t afford that as they could get demoted to millionaires.
The small things that sustain me are things like watching the poll numbers fall, seeing specific known Republican politicians who have generally gone along with all this speak out at all, and being reminded that there are a lot of capable people actively trying to keep MAGA from outright winning. We definitely need more of the federally seated politicians and powerful/rich/influential folks taking meaningful stands and/or actions.
We need new leadership from the Dems for me to believe they’re going to deliver accountability after how they handled Jan 6th. But yeah, we can’t play into MAGA’s hands, I’d rather see an election than none.
Yeah true better to be forceful without weapons, strategic, organized, smart, large-scale and unpredictable.
I don’t understand how this happened? Surely voting for the lesser of two evils will eventually somehow stop evil right?
Should people not participate in elections? What else do you suggest?
I participate in all elections and encourage others to as well. I compromise by voting for democratic socialists in the worst case scenario, but otherwise will vote for whatever socialist candidates are on the ballot.
Which lesser evil would you be referring to?
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Guess we did not vote hard enough for the Democrats and voters did not vote left enough oh and those Republicans
As the ol’ Democrat motto goes
-We will fix it later because progress not perfection and one step at time
Every day I thank the Voyager dev for user tags…
I’ve had them tagged as “bOTh SiDEs r bAd” for months now, and it has virtually always held true. Nearly every single time I see a post from them, it is some sort of “but but but Democrats caused this. We should be blaming them instead of the people who actually voted for it” type of rhetoric.lol twinsies
Holy shit brilliant, thank you
I’m on mobile using the Voyager app. How do I do this? Thanks!
Long press on their username, then “Edit Tag”. Once the tag is made, that Edit screen will have a little comment button. Pressing it will take you to the comment you used to tag them. Handy for when you can’t remember why someone is tagged a certain way.
Couldn’t get it to work at first but figured it out. In Voyager app: Settings -> User Tags (toggle on).
After that I do what you said. You rock.
This. Thank you for asking, I would never have found this setting if you didn’t.
Woah! Thanks. Been using Voyager for a while and never really read the notes on tagging or even thought to long press on a user name.
I appreciate this educational moment!
I’ll bet $20 they voted for Jill Stein to “save Gaza.”
But ask how them how they feel about Russia’s genocide in Ukraine and they will become curiously defensive probably lol.
😂
Why are you blaming democrats
Yeah, but you say that like this would still be happening if Trump hadn’t won.
Yeah people like this think a dumpster fire and a forest fire are equally bad.
I’m gonna say it unequivocally…
I’d much rather live under neolibs than Nazis.
Neolibs are the reason we have Nazis running the government though. They’ve help turn this nation into a festering pile of shit to the point that people are turning to a convicted felon and pedophile conman who tells them what they want to hear in order to fix things.
If neolibs had ever actually done anything beneficial, these people wouldn’t be so desperate to believe a shuckster who gives them easy scapegoats to blame all their problems on. These ‘leaders’ don’t give a shit about you or I any more than your standard Republican politician. They have a (D) next to their name because it gives them a better chance at winning elections in certain areas, which gives them money, power, and influence. That’s all that 98% of politicians care about.
If we ever want to get out of this mess, people need to stop clinging to the very same team sport, tribalistic bullshit politics that brought us to this very.
People weren’t being shot by unaccountable, masked secret police when the neolibs were in charge.
If you want to make the argument that the only thing that could light a fire under people’s butts to change things was allowing this to happen, fine. I disagree, but that’s at least logically consistent.
But neither then nor now have I seen any concerted effort to develop a real alternative.
This is like when the idiot superintendent of my school system kept trying to get people to vote for a levy for a new high school, and the citizens kept telling him “No. The high school we have now is fine.”
So finally the superintendent just had the high school demolished. Now they HAD to pass the levy to get a new high school built, right?
Nope. They still didn’t pass it and now everything is EXTRA fucked.
It’s gonna be a LOT harder to come up with a real alternative to the two party system while we’re under jack-booted one party rule.
And for all their corporate nonsense, the corporate dems at least kept a social safety net functioning so people could have SOME semblance of life, albeit INCREDIBLY insufficient.
Under Trump, good luck.
here in canada, the neolibs pissed off the far right so much they decided to park their 18-wheeelers in front of parliament and threatened to overthrow the government, oh and also had armed men at the US-Canada border at coutts.
I mean if there was real tyranny i would of supported them but checks notes wearing a mask and taking a vaccine is government control because fuck grandma.
of course not when democrats are in charge hidden much better because we have to maintain the illusion that we have two choices because some people cannot accept the reality that both sides are not our side
This isn’t a popular truth.
If people are still mentally framing this as a conflict between Democrats and Republicans they’re failing to diagnose the problem.
Telling the truth is a dangerous business.
problem with dumpster fires is that left unattended in the hopes that eventually it will put itself out in baby steps will lead to forest fires
A dumpster fire is self contained in a metal box and most likely surrounded by a non flammable environment… I’m so tired.
No, dumpster fires do not always stay contained; they are dangerous, unpredictable, and can spread to nearby buildings, vehicles, or vegetation. They can produce heavy flames and high heat that threaten structures, and if the dumpster contains hazardous materials, the fire can escalate and spread quickly
Wow. I can’t imagine being this invested in a comment chain from some rando on the internet.
Hey, I got invested - I wanna read about how a forest fire intentionally trapped itself in a dumpster bcs it saw a cute dumpster fire & wanted a life with it.
I wanna read how they had their first date, went to the beach, explained to the raccoons their relationship doesn’t mean they will stop spending time with them (a wishful lie ofc), had little baby fires where one grows up to be a porta potty fire, one becomes a book-burning fire, one becomes a giant forest fire, … ahh, shit.
There is also a bunch of cute firefighters always lurking around tho, so that’s nice.
Agreed, we should always light the forst directly on fire. That’s exactly the correct way of thinking.
You don’t have only those two choices. Be brave and support non-fire even if a majority isn’t yet. Be part of the solution and don’t believe the lies that better options aren’t real.
Schumer whipped Senate democrats to vote for cloture on the bill that gave ICE this funding because he was afraid of a shutdown months ago. He is still minority leader.
Schumer whipped them for a funding bill, but not the Big bill that increased ICE’s funding by a lot. That one passed with a bare majority and Republican defections. I think it they’d stayed strong them the Republicans might have needed to use their one bare majority bill on that and they could have resisted the later bill.
But he’s just such a colossal failure and should be removed as leader and then from office next year. Democrats in leadership just fail and fail and never get removed.
Look, if you’re scooping turds out of a punch bowl, and the only tool you have is a net that might be made of turds, then you can either keep scooping or you can throw away the whole bowl of punch. You don’t just give up and drink the punch because it’s all the same. One is a turd in the punchbowl. The other is a mechanism for removing the turds, but it’s also probably a turd. Doing something is still doing something, even if the punch is still shit.
You can either hold your nose and eat the turds or agree to permanently become the tail end of a human centipede. You got the centipede because you threw away the turds despite every minority begging you not to. Enjoy the centipede.
Exactly.
“Here. I’m either going to give you this this sandwich, or I can hit you with this bat.”
“Fuck you. I don’t like the sauce on the sandwich. Ouch! Curse this bat that has nothing to do with my decisions!”
The secret sauce on the Democrat sandwich was the blood of Palestinian children being killed by US weapons. Those who still possess a moral compass found the copius amounts of blood difficult to stomach.
Personally I would have preferred ranch or avocado spread, but the DNC and Biden admin looked at the menu and actively chose blood.
This argument will never hold any water whatsoever when the Republican bat contained much more Palestinian blood mixed in with far more blood from immigrants and trans people as well
What “argument” are you referring to?
I agree that Republicans are the worse of two evils, by far.
I was just pointing out that Democrats are not a benign sandwich, they are violent conservatives. Just less violent and less conservative than the alternative.
Good thing Trump ended that conflict then. I’m so glad the Republicans haven’t continued funding Israel’s war on the Palestinian people…
None of that washes the blood off of the hands of Democrats.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
None of you seem capable of taking a step back and realizing that there are more options than being force-fed a turd sandwich or getting hit with a bat. You’ve already lost if you’re willfully limiting yourself to these two options because those will only ever be your options until you decide you’ve had enough of both.
Tell me you know nothing about America’s politics without telling me you know nothing about America’s politics
If I walked up to you and told you I was going to hit you in the face or the groin and to pick one, you’d dutifully pick one and tell everyone how smart you were to pick what you did and how no one else is such a pragmatic chooser as you, you supreme master of contrived trolley problems.
I’ll tell you one thing for sure, if anything gets better in the next few years it wont be because of the centrist dems like yourself.
I just read your comments.
What a nothing comment. If you had something to “inform me” with you would have done it instead if pretending like you have some special insight into fixing our problems by giving the Dems another turn at the helm as if they haven’t been steering us to this very point too.
What? In my metaphor, Democrats are the nets made of sometimes poop, and Republicans are the turds. Was that not clear?
you can throw away the whole bowl of punch.
Ok. Let’s do that.
Yeah, sure. Gather the guillotine and meet me in the town square.
gather
These aren’t guns, ppl over there don’t just have them in excess.
Make small communes/art&crafts groups & construct the guillotines as a fun team building exercises.
Perhaps make a lil contest which one is the prettiest.
I vote for the one with googly eyes.
