We need an archive link to this from this guy OR someone else verifying that this is true. I tried to find it, but couldn’t. I’ll give everyone a half an hour.
Edit: Thanks for everyone doing so much research. The crazy thing is, when you go to @DavidShuster, the comment doesn’t show up at all and it looks the account hasn’t been active for a year or so. But then RedJard linked and archived the original. LillyPip confirmed that it is his account.
I now spent close to an hour trying to figure out Robinson’s political leanings, and as of right now the internet simply does not know.
This is the closest:
A public records database shows Robinson’s family resides in Washington, Utah, where Trump garnered support from 75% of voters in the 2024 presidential election. Robinson’s parents have Republican listed as their party affiliation, said public voter registration information, and they are considered active voters (each cast ballots in the 2024 election that gave Trump a second presidency).
Public records also indicated Robinson registered as a voter in Utah in July 2021 but was considered inactive and did not declare an affiliation to any party when he registered.
And then there’s a lot of talk about bullet engravings which leave me very confused. How can you engrave “If you’re reading this you’re gay” - 26 characters onto a single bullet? Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation. We simply do not know yet, and we might never know 100%! He’s conflicted, that much seems clear.
IMHO most timely and objective article as of right now: LA Times
edit: I wrote this 24h ago. Surely the situation has changed by now. See you in a more timely thread!
Wouldn’t the bullet that called Kirk a fascist be an indicator of a possible left position held by the shooter?
Magats like to throw insults, but very often it is evident that they do not understand what the words they use, actually mean. “Fascist”, “Communist”, “Socialist” are all examples of “insults” I’ve been called by obvious magats. I don’t think they understand what TDS is either, even though they all have terminal cases of it. In general, I don’t think magats understand much of anything at all.
I mean, anybody can throw the word “fascism” out there and a wide variety of people purport to hate fascism so shrugs maybe but probably not.
Yeah, but quoting an antifascist song and writing “hey fascist, catch” on your bullets is one of those things that feels suggestive of the rarer lefty shooter. There was also something initially reported as pro-trans symbolism, but it didn’t sound like a trans symbol I’d seen before.
It’s a groyper thing, which also a traditionally rightist thing. Steal leftist terminology and reuse it to troll leftists and confuse everyone else.
I shall take socialism away from the Socialists.
suggestive being the alarmingly prevalent word here…
We aren’t playing Clue here, all this extremely extrapolative speculation has consequences that point toward accelerating violence and isn’t good for anyone in the end.
My understanding is that it’s a Helldivers 2 reference, so not necessarily.
True, but i still don’t see how it can’t be a game reference and a label applied to Kirk. I don’t see how somebody, who is right wing themselves, would use this. But it makes perfect sense if the shooter was left.
Super Earth calls the bugs fascist in game in spite of being fascist.
Groypers and always online fascists co-opt left language and I see them call other nazis fascists derisively. I will bet you ten thousand dollars there will be no sign the shooter was leftist in any way.
He recycled one time!
30.06 is a large bullet and the words were allegedly written on the cases of the bullets, not the rounds themselves. Good to be skeptical but a fine point Sharpie could get 26 characters on there if you had small handwriting or did multiple lines or whatever.
Yup. And you could probably engrave it with a nail, so the barrier here is pretty low, but it would probably take an hour or so to engrave a simple message because it’s kinda hard.
Yeah, but think of all the Internet points he probably got showing off the rounds beforehand?
If you’re reading this you’re gay
If you’re reading this you’re gay, LMAO…
Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation.
Really?
I don’t know what the commenter meant, but my guess would be that they meant the statement could’ve been a lighthearted joke or homophobic and it isn’t clear which.
it’s 4chan drivel, i called it from the text alone even before the Nick Fuentes angel
“IfURReadngthisURG”
It’s tighter but gets the same message across
“URG? Must be trans ideology…”
- the FBI, probably
He donated to trump…
I heard this was another person with the same name.
I assume you mean proof as to the claims.
But just in case if you mean the tweet being made and made by that account, it is still up and I made an archived version of it.The account claims to be
journalist […] TYT.com Rebel HQ. Previously anchored for MSNBC + AJAM
I’m going to leave this up and let you all decide if this is true or not. He hasn’t been confirmed as this journalist, but x is a POS organization, so everyone gets to decide for themselves.
I trust David Shuster as a journalist, but I personally really would prefer more evidence.
It’s not checkmarked as officially him though. It’s not that I’m doubting the journalist, we don’t know if this is him.
This article from 2010 quotes and links to that same Twitter account as being his, so it looks real as far as I can tell. Other articles and references I’ve found more recently also link to that same account. It looks legit.
Remember, the blue check no longer means ‘verified’ – now it only means ‘paid for premium’ (since Musk took over, he changed it such that you just have to pay monthly for the blue check, not be the verified person), so I wouldn’t put stock in that blue check now.
e: it’s at the bottom, here’s the quote:
Meanwhile Shuster hasn’t made a peep on Twitter since MSNBC called his direct tweets to O’Keefe “inappropriate.” It will be one week tomorrow morning – we’ve reached out to MSNBC to see if there has been any suspension. Either way, he can communicate through Red Eye‘s in-box…
Ohhhh gotcha. I was just adding my two cents, but now I understand what you’re saying. I’ll contact him about this.
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Besides some rumors and claims that he police officers would already have confirmed themselves by now, there is nothing to suggest he is. The closest I’ve seen are the claims that he was “deep Groyper signalling” with the bullet case inscriptions, but that’s just grasping at straws.
I suspect his Discord gamer group may have been more involved in shaping his ideology, specially if he was giving details on how he towel wrapped his rifle there. Unfortunately, Discord nuked it and now we have to rely on the (in)competence of the Trump appointed authorities and their heavy political baggage.
The fact is that is you have a group that fetishizes guns and fetishizes using them and the tactical encounters with them using a “second amendment” “it’s there to act against the oppressor” ideology, you are going to get shooters. Why obsess about what the spark or the trigger was? The Groypers are basically The Army of the 12 Monkeys in this scenario.
No matter how holy you are there is always someone holier than thou. They should implicate Lauro Loomer for encouraging this assassination since she was one of the people who said Charlie wasn’t republican enough lol.
Where are the actual sources of this information? Are there police interview transcripts available somewhere? Are there reports about a transcript from reputable sources? So far all I’ve seen is wild speculation by untrusted sources.
As of now, all I actually know about this guy is that he shot charlie kirk.
Ok… What’s your evidence that he was a groyper? How are you any different than them when they were hoping it would be an immigrant or some trans person when they had no evidence
So is the right entering a civil war with the right, as prophecized ?
r/conservative is really trying to paint him as a transperson associate.
A very deep sigh of relief was uttered by me, but then turned into a groan of frustration, because all those right wing nutcases who were calling for the heads of all leftists are now again demanding sympathy. Fuck them.
remember, Charlie Kirk did not believe in empathy, so fulfill his wishes and do not have any for him
Charlie was a pain in the neck.
At least he started to lean left at the very end
This is the full quote.
No, don’t “oh that’s still bad”, you thought all the people repeating half of the quote weren’t lying to you with the specific goal of justifying murder. Classic brown shirt behavior.
His dick is definitely flaccid by now you can hop off
Sympathy is for something that happened. Empathy connects you to others and prevents the need for sympathy. That being said, where’s the full quote on “a woman’s place is under her husband’s thumb.” Or him calling for the release and exoneration of the dude who attacked Nancy pelosi’s husband?
Something something brown shirts?
Those who REFUSE to offer empathy, can’t reasonably expect it in return.
They flop around more than a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.
I’m still thinking a lot of those “people” are just “bots”
Time to get un-relieved because this is fake (as discussed in other comments).
I’m embarassed to ask how I am supposed to pronounce “groyper.”
Didn’t Spencer Cox even say that he is shattered that the shooter was “one of us” (read: white male) and not an immigrant? Like on TV, not in a cocaine-fueled xitter rant post.
Edit: Found it
I will never be able to get over how this frightened, insecure 11 year old in an adult costume presents himself on camera:
he constantly on cocaine.
The investigation is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear right now to whoever did this. We will find you. We will try you and we will hold you accountable to the furthest extent of the law. And I just want to remind people that we still have the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate. And that’s the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes. Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off ramp, or it’s going to get much much worse.
Incredible the difference a day can make.
Source? Who said the second thing?
The second quote is from 13:20 in the video linked above me. https://youtu.be/WNWEwyPTh_M?t=800 if you’re lazy.
The first quote is from the same guy a day or two earlier, I found it transcribed in a fox news article and won’t go looking for it again.
Oh sorry. I didn’t want to watch a video so I didn’t realize the quote was from it. Thanks
Governor Cox of Utah. his big schtick is lecturing people about reaching across the aisle for civility while still being abrasive and maga half the time
What a pathetic excuse for an elected leader. Almost crying because the shooter was “one of them” and not their fake “enemy”.
“Where is my straw man I ordered off Amazon?”
pulls off the mask a la Scooby Doo
“Another right wing gun nut?!”“And I’d have gotten away with it too!”
I don’t understand why he’s trying to spin it like people from Utah are exceptional people for not rioting and burning cars. The guy was a grifting YouTuber. It’s not like the president died.
The people who make it a regular habit to attack others because of who they are, yet also somehow have a persecution complex, find it pretty easy to assume that when one of their own gets attacked it’s because of who they are too. It’s like a damned street gang that’s looking for a fight. “One of themmmm killed one of ussss, time to counter attack! To waaar!”
“… oh shit THAT bullet was from our side TOO? I think nobody noticed. Can we get this party started or what!?”
It’s as gross as it is predictable. Their reactions to these shootings always follow the same rule: a member of the master race killing one of the subhumans is just an unfortunate fact of life, but one of the subhumans killing a member of the master race merits national if not global headlines that will at minimum be memorable trivia for people who lived through that year.
And I say this as an old white dude.
"That’s just the spark son. The excuse we’ve been waiting for. America’s wanted this war for years. "
They were going to make any attack on anyone an excuse for more violence on their part.
I think he also meant Mormon. IIRC the shooter’s family is Mormon.
Mormons have historically been extremely racist. It was pretty recently that they stopped preaching that black people are black because god cursed them (the curse of Ham). They put on a smiling, demure front, and the church has tried very hard to rehabilitate their image, but the Mormon religion is pretty fucked up.
He absolutely said that and tried to make it seem like he was talking about him being an Utah citizen.
Wow, he actually said that shit
He looks so small
the face of 24/7 binge on cocaine.
he looks more like a dimetripper
Not cancelled, delayed. The screeches about this being a left wing plot going back decades haven’t gotten rolling yet. The far right’s civil war will be back on by suppertime.
Right on schedule.
Release the Epstein files.
The guardian retracted this
Of course it did. 🧐😆
Helldivers 2 came out in 2024. Was he in high school when he was 21?!??
aye, smells like bullshit, me son.
… Am i the only one who was hoping to find out what the hell a “groyper” is somewhere in this thread? Sounds like something I don’t want in my search history.
The Google search data blew up about that topic.
It’s a right-wing group by Nick Fuentes. A combination of edge lord shit and believing the the right isn’t pushing even harder.
They loved Trump until they didn’t. And honestly, it’s kind of ironic watching Frankestein’s monster go wild.
Nick Fuentes’ community. They’re just Nazis trolls.
Call me cynical, but I’m convinced that the MAGA mouthpieces all knew full well from the start that the balance of probability was that it would be one of their own.
They knew they’d have maybe 48 hours max to flood all outlets and social media with stories of it being a suspected trans activist, so that by the time the truth came out the story would already be old news and people would be fatigued and just remember that there was some uncertainty over his motives.
But his trans ideologies!!!
I have not watched the video yet (nor do I plan to), but it’s easily enough still online. I don’t think this one is as forgettable considering it was live streamed basically.
I think Kirk is already forgotten. We’re dealing with a talking point like Mr Potato Head going woke or Gulf of Mexico. If it’s popular the topic sticks around. But nobody cares about Kirk, the actual person who lived and had various opinions.
I’m hearing the shooter had a trans girlfriend from a right wing friend of mine, but I can’t find proof, does anyone know what he’s talking about?
Why don’t you ask your right wing friend wtf he’s talking about??
There’s going to be an incredible amount of transphobia because they can do it. The right is currently obsessed with transgender people committing violence even though it doesn’t happen anywhere near the rates of their cisgender counterparts.
Anyway, trans people had nothing to do with this but the right wing is still trying to blame it on them because they can
He had a trans roommate, but it hasn’t been verified that they were in a relationship. In fact, it might not even be verified that they’re trans. It’s too early to believe this stuff.
No. It’s likely he’s just repeating some propaganda. There’s been a lot of accusations with no proof and this is probably another one.
Apparently Right Wing Media is reporting he had a trans girlfriend. But I can’t find any trustworthy sources.
Even the New York Post article I read says that the person was neither his girlfriend or even trans (but totally considering it)
Mostly the article spun its wheels saying how much Kirk practiced love by hating transpeople. Because war is peace don’t you know…
I like how it’s a big deal that this guy is allegedly dating a trans woman because it’s convenient to the narrative but when alex jones accidentally broadcasted his trans porn search to thousands of viewers on infowars, none of these folks even knew about it.
I highly doubt that, that sounds like something conservative media would make up and people would repeat far too much.
Here’s the relevant casing message:
Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?
It’s possible he’s talking about personal experience, it’s also possible he’s just spreading hate. We don’t know which it is, and we probable won’t until the investigation gets further along.
Some marking on the bullet got around, I think it was TRN but that’s the manufacturer of the bullet if it’s accurate. Apparently that is, I willI will say cause there’s been so much crap about this douche being killed it’s muddying any real info. Also read that the manufacturer doesn’t make bullets for that caliber (30 odd 6? For a hunting rifle, I don’t know guns well but know it’s a hunting type still) so I really dunno and I did not look into that so need to check that out if it’s important to the story. I only saw the the manufacturer didn’t make that caliber from a single comment but read many with the bullet marking and one mentioned the pic going around is a 9mm.
Don’t take my word for this Ive just been reading about the story, but it’s what I’ve gleened from them all.
It appears he was just a more extreme right wing person than even the deceased is and that provoked him into action. Seems likely from due to how easily they’re (extreme right wing) provoked in general.
Just a slight correction, it’s “thirty ought six” or “30-06” where thirty is the caliber(diameter of projectile) and ought six is the year the military adopted it. Not that that makes much difference, I’m just a nerd.
I appreciate the correction I always heard odd not ought but probably cause I heard it much, much younger heh. Grew up in a small town in Canada so was just thinking how I heard it (seriously all these years heard 30 odd 6 in my memory), maybe our accent too. Have a good one, appreciate the knowledge! Always a good day when you learn something new, doesn’t happen as often these days.
It’s actually aught, it’s a word for zero
You’re pretty metal homie 🤘
We have specific wording. The most relevant is, “Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?”
That has been reported by the governor of Utah, and Gov. Cox is actually pretty hesitant to repeat nonsense, unlike other governors in very red states. He actually seems to care a bit about trans people, at least trans kids, and I wonder if maybe he has someone in his family who is trans.
I hope that helps. If you want to find the others, just look up “Kirk casings messages” on whatever media source you trust.
Wtf is a groyper? Stop making up words. I can’t keep up with this shit.
They are a neonazi christian nationalist group led by Nick Fuentes, who was known to have a long-standing feud with Charlie Kirk. To give it more context, these people are so far right that they view Charlie Kirk as liberal.
This is all funny to me because Fuentes is kind of a Latino sounding name…
That’s because he is a Latino Neo Nazi
I’m just saying… Alligator Alcatraz doesn’t discriminate ideology.
Nazis ain’t that bright
Also you misspelled Auschwitz
To be clear I was saying I hope the leopards will eat his face.
Given the new supreme court ruling and the ICE ruling I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody pulled a hyundai factory on fuentes.
So is Pinochet, which the MAGA idolize.
I had to look “groyper” up too.
I think I’ve hit that point in aging where I just have to embrace being that antique family member and start asking my kids, nieces, and nephews what the slang means as new words get rolled out.
It’s just short for piece of shit.
We already have an acronym for that.
Maybe the shooter thought they had been hidden on a microchip in Charlie’s neck and just wanted to let them out
