Why is nobody mentioning funkwhale in this thread?
You should have left when Rogan was let onto the platform.
After that you should have left when fake music was discovered. Seriously, they have lots of fake music.
I could never get on board with spending money to stream music. There are a TON of radio stations, free streaming services, small independent artist collectives, and more hours of live free music than I could probably listen to in a lifetime.
I am the weirdo though, I get it. I VASTLY prefer live music over studio work.
Some people just use music as a tool. I think you are more likely to say you see it as human expression. Live music is far better when you want to feel something in my opinion.
They didn’t leave already when they gave millions to bag of human shit Joe Rogan?
bag of human shit Joe Rogan
This is libelous. He’s a bag of cockroach shit.
That’s sure as fuck when I left!
Same
https://infosec.pub/comment/17208208
It feels weird defending Spotify as I have always disliked them and preferred YTM
i just YTM as well. mostly because it’s the less shitty option out there. sucks that there are no good options.
hope this comment summons people with actually good suggestions for my to check.
I will never use YouTube music. Specifically because back when it was Google play music, they allowed you to upload your own library… Then arbitrarily decided to delete everything after a couple years.
there are no good options
Tidal is great. A little more expensive, but it’s owned by artists, and puts the most back in the pockets of artists. The audio quality is also fan-fucking-tastic.
Deezer and Qobuz
CEO of Deezer is a Russian agent
Except deezer is run by Russian Oligarchs. So qobuz.
Ukrainians are actually reporting the drones to be vastly overpriced compared to similar Ukrainian drones.
Otherwise there is quite a few indications of corruption and it wouldn’t be surprising if Helsing will become the next Wirecard, as Germany once again follows the fever dream of some billions-worth start-up without following up on what it actually can and cannot do.
Thanks for the context
Kind reminder that no streaming platform is very good on the ethical front. There are no ethical alternatives because the root of the problem is the legal strangle hold labels and record companies keep on artists and commercial music distribution.
The ethical alternative is listening to mp3s straight from your own hard-drive, just like we did in the '50s.
Fuck yeah, down with streaming I wanna own my shit again
Whatever happened to magnatune? Are they still around?
Not actively, they stopped trying to make money long ago. Since 2018 you can’t buy anything from them and artists are leaving. No new releases since then, of course.
I suppose that is to be expected. They were really not noticed, and spotify more or less put every other option out of business.
Tidal puts artists first, and pretty awesome.
Can’t promise that’s how they are forever, but that’s how they are today.
I can stream from Jellyfin
I have found a bunch of my new favorite songs this year on Jellyfin. Some of them are pretty old too, lol.
It worked pretty well doing it the old human-based way, where I got a bunch of albums because I liked the band or even just a particular song. Listening through those or just playing the whole pile on shuffle led me to find plenty of gems that I stuck in my playlist.
Yes!
+1 here
Bandcamp waives their share on Bandcamp Fridays
August 1th
September 5th
October 3rd
December 5th
Like Bandcamp or not, i can’t ever find the bands i’m looking for.
Bandcamp is owned by union busters. Fuck bandcamp.
I agree, fuck Bandcamp, so I only buy on Bandcamp Fridays.
So… What’s a good alternative?
Direct purchase, like the old days and fuck corporate greed so torrents.
I wish this was simpler. I never see direct purchases on band websites unless I’m buying physical goods.
Gotta start asking for it. If the bands you enjoy know that people would buy physical or digital copies from the artist again they would begin making them. It only benefits the entertainers.
Forgive me if it’s obvious, but what does “waves their share” mean?
“Waives” instead of “waves”
They won’t take their percentage on the sales, and leave them to the artist
Hmm, I would say quit if the defense company will be US but its German. Do not be naive, we need european defense. See what is doing ruSSia. We cannot defense it with stars and rainbows.
I highly recommend that read. Seems like Helsing’s shooting star success is tied to having good contacts with the German defense ministry and Ursula von der Leyen, which both are indicators of corruption.
Ukrainian soldiers report the drones to be vastly overpriced for what they are and drones costing less than a quarter of the Helsing drones to have similar capabilities.
This sounds like another Wirecard scandal in the making, where the desperation of Germany to create some billion Euro startup is exploited by corrupt politicans and company owners. Given the context it also wouldn’t be surprising if intelligence is involved.
Ukrainians seem to be better of with domestically produced drones.
Is this Russian propaganda
Anyone want to poke fun at me for thrifting physical media now?
That’s still not good for the artists though since they don’t see a cent from that.
They saw cents when the songs were sold originally; it’s not like I’m running a music charity.
Well sure, since you ask… Spotify might be crap, and the CEO is… Well, the usual shit person CEOs tend to be. That doesn’t make physical media any better, digital media is by far much much better in many ways. Specially if you go sailing with your wooden leg and hook hand and parrot on the shoulder. You don’t want to carry all the extra weight of physical media while sailing… And if artists sell directly their music even better, I always support artists selling on their own without intermediaries.
Either buy the albums from the musicians or pirate that shit and just pay to see them in concert. Fuck all these companies.
Paying for music - in a world where the artist gets almost nothing and it’s all wasted on middle-men- is unethical. Music is art and even without the industry there would still be making music for free. Pirate your favorite and donate the money to a local good cause
There’s not much middleman if you buy an album from small bands like Pokolgép directly.
Yeah… Give some love to Ticketmaster…
Don’t get me started…just…don’t.
Sneak in and slip the roadie a 10 spot?
Pirate it, and send $10 to the band.
Pirate it, and send $10 to the band.
Most members of The Band are dead now though.
RIP Rick Danko
And my personal hero, Levon Helm. Rest in peace.
RIP Garth Hudson
Don’t forget Richard Manuel. What a tragedy, such a talent. RIP.
In that case, send nothing, since they only ones still profiting are the greedy Labels keeping the music from becoming public IP anyway
Then pirate, or send 10$ to their heirs.
I pirate things to see if I like them, and if I like them, I buy the CD and a t-shirt or something from the musician’s website.
Where do you buy CDs? The vending machine in the old folk’s home lobby?
https://amoeba.com/ https://tradepostentertainment.com/ https://vintagestock.com/
Just to name a few. There are also probably physical stores in your town.
There’s this magical thing called going outside, and in this outside place there are things called shops that sell things. Maybe you could try going there if you ever try to touch grass?
My tech store has a few, and there’s also jpc.de
Buy on Bandcamp.
Til thry decide to tevoke ownership.
Tomorrow is Bandcamp friday people.
yay for corpo generosity?
In case anyone isn’t aware, this means that Bandcamp won’t take their usual cut, so the artist gets more money from each sale. It’s this Friday only.
Stealing this link from another comment, but there are actually more than one Bandcamp Fridays coming up
Isn’t bandcamp on a road to enshit? I thought I heard they were. I love it though. Feels like a record store online.
Well yes, probably. But, if you buy on Bandcamp or sites like it you can download the songs and host and store them yourself so it’s not like you have to start over when they eventually get shit.
All roads lead to enshitment
Except FOSS. Because if you can fork it, it cannot be enshittified… every time they attempt to, another fork can be made.
Sounds like an enshittification hydra.
It kinda is. One head enshittifies (coughOpenOffice), two more grow to take its place.
Doctorow is never wrong.
From the shitty artist compensation, to the AI content, to their exclusive deals with Joe Rogan you need another reason to stop using Spotify???
Don’t forget their donation to Trump’s campaign!
and they are trying to move to videos to, which i assume would be giving podcast/video to the viewers to draw in more subscribers for ROEGAN.
I used Spotify premium apk for near a decade. They shut down the modded apks so I stopped using them. Not a terrible service honestly, given I didn’t pay them a dime.
Modded apks still going strong… 🤫
spotify already has a propaganda arm of trump, aka JOE ROEGAN podcasts.
Android user from India. Only other alternatives available here are Amazon Prime and Apple Music.
Navidrome
Navidrome rules. Made the switch from Spotify some time ago, using the FOSS Tempo app on Android and Feishin on desktop, it’s been a lovely experience so far.
Symfonium is paid on android but it’s also the best. Works with navidrome, jellyfine, NFS, samba, etc…
Yes because people are driven by money a lot sadly.
Is Spotify cheaper than the alternatives?
Im thinking about the artists here because thats what the article is about. Spotify is still the biggest music platform so leaving it, even if the conditions are shit, means leaving money on the table.
It’s hard to compare, because Spotify has a lot of features that aren’t available on alternatives.
If you’re just looking for music availability and audio quality, then the cost of Spotify is pretty middle-of-the-road as long as you’re a westerner with mostly western musical tastes. But when you start getting into other qualities like social features, recommendation algos, API and third-party app integrations, multi-device controls/playback, etc… a lot of those things just aren’t offered by competitors. Those features may not matter to you, but they should probably be considered when comparing platforms.
Spotify also has a lot of promotional pricing that they offer. I think students get a pretty substantial discount. They also offer family plans, so the cost can be split significantly that way, as well.
Yes, Spotify is not an ethical company. However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing. Germany is just two doors down from Russia.
However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing.
I would argue that spotify ceo doesn’t give a shit about europe achieving defense independence (the company donated money to trump). I would also argue that europe pretty much already spend in war as much russia does and that wasting public money in war is not a good thing.
Poland is next door and technically is also in Europe.
technically?
I’m just teasing. Poles will know what I mean.
I happen to be one and I don’t know what you mean.
No true Poleman.
He knows, he’s just pretending not to know because he doesn’t like the joke. Poland was always on the outskirts of Europe and in many aspects it’s closer to Russia than EU. Many people in Western Europe simply forget that Poland is part of EU and think about it more like about Ukraine. This used to be even more obvious and Poles had inferiority complex but now that they finally had caught up a little bit while the West deteriorated they suddenly feel real good about themselves and pretend not to remember what it was like 10 years ago.
Theres no joke here?
Thanks Peter. Great joke very cool.
Spotdl is a command line program that is easy to use, you just need to feed it the playlist link and it will download all the songs off YouTube.
You can then self host with azuracast or airsonic. Azuracast is what I use but it makes it into a radio station more or less, sonic I think is more of a spotify clone. There are a few other options.
The subscription fee can then be used to support your favorite small time artists through other means, without the middle man.
Seriously, just torrent your music, downloading songs off YouTube sounds like an awful idea, automated or not.
From my understanding, it’s a bit of a bother downloading less popular music through torrents. You need a private tracker I think. For big names though, definitely the way to go.
Give soulseek a try, finding less known artists is a bit of a pain but i have had good luck finding everything i had looked for with a bit of digging.
Soulseek is still a thing? Rad. I’ll have to keep that in mind.
P2P will never die!!! (Hopefully)
That’s fair!
Yt downloads are just copy and paste a link, and the quality doesn’t really matter for anything I own, no audiofile gear.
Convinced the wife to drop Spotify for Tidal with this shit.
Fucking hell, find out here it’s owned by Dorsey. Just doing the trial for now, so may give quboz or however it’s spelled too.
Qobuz is great, been using it a few months now. Probably isn’t quite as advanced in terms of recommendations etc. as Spotify so have to do a bit more of the leg work deciding what new stuff I want to check out but that’s been a positive for me and how I engage with new music.
Yeah, in doing some research on Qobuz, their recommendation engine is way behind Tidal/Spotify. I’m really enjoying Tidal so far, which is a shame. I’ve heard of some people using Qobuz alongside Roon to use their recommendation engine, but I’m not sure the wife would like to add another layer to just pressing play.
