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    What surprises me is how people are actually surprised by this. Of course this is what was going to happen. What other outcome could anyone that’s been paying even an ounce of attention over the past decade or two expect?

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      I think we can say with good confidence that MAGA has not been paying attention to anything that doesn’t fit with their “values”

      This is hitting them hard precisely because they weren’t paying attention.

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      ALL US politicians are pedos.

      The biggest lie Americans have been told is that they have partisanship. It’s not a left vs right issue it’s a people vs pedo issue, plebian vs elite issue. Both Clinton and Trump are kiddy fiddling pedo nonces. Reagan and Clinton were both drug trafficking kingpins. Biden pardoned his coke/crack head son whilst locking up a record number of minorities for drug offences. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump are all war criminals.

      Americans are forced to choose between who they believe to at the time be “the lesser of two evils”. They’re all in bed with one another, it’s the establishment vs the people, commentators like Naom Chomsky and George Carlin have been saying this for decades yet Americans still fail to listen and have some sort of hope in their establishment.

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          If the long term trend of both sides has been to screw over citizens does it really matter how many times one side has fucked up in a given time frame?

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          Mate, the only point that might be valid for is the war crimes and that’s about it. Noncing little kids no matter what party is disgusting and almost every elite America has is on that list it goes way beyond politics.

          But that’s not the point, both parties are effectively one entity, and their only goal is to keep themselves in power and YOU out of it. There’s 2 parties cuz it keeps power centralised and gives the public the illusion of choice and democracy.

          Believing any part of the american govt supports their own people let alone the human rights of any other people is complete delusion and absolute copium. Trump is infinitely worse but like I said you seem to have chosen “the lesser of 2 evils”.

          “The Republicans are fucking me deep in the ass yet the dems are only kicking me in the head, looks like I better vote dems.”

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            Yeah so maybe we go after the worst ones before burning both bridges and getting nothing done. You’re acting like a centrist voting third party out of morality. Guess who won? The worst guys. Maybe fucking focus on a winning strategy to take out Hitler before we move on to mini Hitler.

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              Your “winning strategy” still involves losing even when you win. There is NO path where a Democrat win results in the Republicans all packing up and quitting politics.

              The reason things have got this bad is because y’all always believe that the current election is the only one that will ever matter, which you also believed the last 10 times.

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                Lol I swear to god some of you are just accelerationists. You have four options when voting rolls around. Vote red, vote blue, vote green, do nothing.

                Voting red accelerates the damage, policies that don’t align with your core personal beliefs are implemented and things get worse, fast. Laws that granted more freedom, repealed. Laws that stifle retaliation, rubber stamped. Regression in its purest form.

                Voting blue slows things down, opens the gate for progressives to enter the space, even going as far as to win despite aid from the DNC. Mamdani for example. Can lead to fundamental system changes.

                Voting green (or “morality voting”) usually ends in a lack of funding for the candidate, causing too few people to know who they are. Normies will not vote for a name they don’t recognize or a party they don’t identify as.

                Not voting (or “Protesting the system”) leads to candidates that don’t represent the interests of the country being elected and makes it easier for those with money to make it harder to actually change the system.

                The reason nothing gets fucking done is because you get it in your head to be cute. You want to purity test the left rather than shutting the fuck up and just voting blue. Republicans cannibalized themselves for like a month over speaker of the house, then got their shit together and just pass anything red. In 6 months they have caused more political damage to this country than any left candidate has ever hoped to try. And stupid purists like you are a massive reason why he got elected. Twice.

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                  Dems are so thoroughly convinced they’re owed all non-Nazi votes, that they’ll openly call you stupid for not toeing the line.

                  Your analysis of voting Blue has not been reflected in the reality of the past two decades. They are not opening the door to progressives, and the irony of you mentioning Mamdani is that many Dems have actively come out against the man. Just like they did to Bernie, the whole party is a catch-and-kill trap for true progressives.

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              That’s not a solution if mini Hitler and Hitler have the same goals in mind, youman have two parties yet you still can’t seem to grasp that they’re both effectively the same entity, it’s all washington bro, they’re NOT your friends, they all have the same goal in mind. I’m sorry to shatter the smokescreen you’ve been looking at your whole life but America’s been stolen and rigged since day 1 and there’s absolutely fuckall you can do about it, all you can do is sit back and watch it burn as the majority pay for the crimes of the few.

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                Yeah people like you just don’t have a solution. You’d rather wait for a cure to the cancer than to get treatments done. We all know the treatments aren’t perfect, we know we’re slowly dying, why the fuck do we need you screaming it? You’re yelling in a cancer ward that the treatments aren’t cures. No shit.

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                  why the fuck do we need you screaming it?

                  Ignorance is bliss sho. I’m just stating what I’m observing, you’re the one denying it and legitimising a rogue state ran on a rigged system. I already said this in another thread but, you can’t accuse me of “taking both sides” if I’m not american and I’m against one group of people and that’s Washington. Either ways not my country not my business. Just stating my opinion, whether you’ll choose to care about if Washington gives 2 shits about you is completely up to you.

                  The dangers of a 2-party state are right in front of you, there’s thousand of infinitely more democratic systems out there.

                  I’m not Russian but it doesn’t take a fucking genius to figure out that everyone sitting in their parliament, regardless of what party has the exact same politics and is equally as corrupt, the other parties are only there to give the illusion of democracy, only in Russia elections are rigged and none of the “opposition” parties have any real power.

                  people like you just don’t have a solution

                  Like I said not my country for me to be looking for one. This is whole thread is about kiddy fiddling and instead of agreeing on how its disgusting you admitted to wanting to vote for one group of pedophiles just because they’re less bad than another group of pedophiles.

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        I don’t remember where the Democrats voted to block the Epstein files. Can you link to that? Thank you in advance.

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          I do remember democrats being linked to Epstein, notably Bill Clinton, I do remember them not doing a thing in regards to the list, Trump dug himself the hole he’s in because I genuinely think his ego’s so overinflated that his braindead supporters with the combined brainpower of a nokia 3310 would back him when he had refused to release that list. He used it as part of his campaign to gain support and the topic would never have come up had he not done so.

          When Bill trafficks drugs and little kids it’s perfectly fine apparently. Apparently its only bad when someone you voted against does it, when Reagan peddles crack to fund central american fascists it’s bad, only when a republican has ties to noncing children it’s bad. Listen to your own logic here mate, believing anyone in Washington is there to help you is pure delusion. You can’t accuse me of “taking both sides” if I’m not american and I’m against one group of people and that’s Washington. Either ways not my country not my business. Just stating my opinion, whether you’ll choose to care about if Washington gives 2 shits about you is completely up to you.

          I’m not Russian but it doesn’t take a fucking genius to figure out that everyone sitting in their parliament, regardless of what party has the exact same politics and is equally as corrupt, the other parties are only there to give the illusion of democracy, only in Russia elections are rigged and none of the “opposition” parties have any real power.

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            Then why would they make Republicans vote to block the list? Why not make someone other than Republicans vote to block the list? That makes them look like the child predators.

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      While pointing their fingers at everyone else. DO NOT let them forget this. Ever.

      WWMGT do? That’s what Dems should be doing right now. Except in this case, an insane reaction is the only sane response. Honestly fucking disgusting and somebody needs to be circulating an image with the name listed of every members that voted to not release those files.

      Edit: Gotta say Newsweek has been one of the most upfront and honest news outlets over the last few months when it comes to just reporting the information and headlines everyone else seems afraid to just come out and say.

      Full list of Republicans who blocked Epstein files vote

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      But they spend so much time saying that’s not true. I love this for them. They had a chance to prove it’s “not true” and epically failed because it is so very very true. Now the masses are moving the goal post saying it never mattered anyways… Le sigh… Le boo…

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        I will say that it’s honestly not the masses, at least not yet. Even with as much insane shit as your average MAGAt has been able to handwave away, “pedos bad” is one of the few remaining bipartisan issues and was literally a huge part of what Trump ran on, saying they’d release the files and how it’d expose all the Dems/deep state/etc. Now you’re seeing many of the “Would support Trump if he murdered a man on 5th Ave” types getting legitimately upset by the insane backpedaling on this. Will it last? Only time will tell, but this feels legitimately different, even when speaking to your average dipshit Trump supporter.

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      Not just the GOP. Yes, the GOP is a shining example, but it’s more widespread than that.

      Conservatism involves having a power fantasy. You know what else is a power fantasy? Pedophilia. When you’re rich and can already dominate people financially and that’s not enough, what else but to dominate them physically?

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    That’s only because all their names appear in those files. Fuck every cowardly republican there

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    Voted Aye

    McGovern (D-MA), Scanlon (D-PA), Neguse (D-CO), Leger Fernández (D-NM), Norman (R-SC)

    Voted No

    Fischbach (R-MN), Roy (R-TX), Houchin (R-IN), Langworthy (R-NY), Scott (R-GA), Griffith (R-VA), Jack (R-GA), Foxx (R-NC)

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        It means they had the votes for a performative opposition vote and Norman was the most needing

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        No. That just means his name wasn’t on the list. Maybe he didn’t need Jeffrey Epstein’s help to fuck kids.

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        Why is everyone giving Norman a hard time? He voted to release. Give the other guys shit.

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          On the one hand, I completely agree, and I think I fucked that up by mentioning him by name instead of the 7 pedophiles that voted it down.

          On the other hand, he’s still a shitbag. If he’s catching strays, fuck 'em. In this instance, he voted for some modicum of sanity. He’s also the guy who pulled out his loaded .38 and put it on the table when meeting with Moms Demand Action Against Gun Violence.

          There’s no humanitarian medals for “guy who didn’t protect pedophile rapists.”

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        When Mexico the Republicans send its their people, they’re not sending their best.

        They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us.

        They’re bringing drugs coverups, they’re bringing defending crime, they’re rapists

        and some, I assume, are good people.

        See kids, rhetoric is easy!

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      Why do I immediately assume that dude from South Carolina has already announced he isn’t seeking reelection?

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        Doesn’t look like he’s annouced anything, but he’s not up for re-election until 2026 still. Plenty of time for this constituents to forget.

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      I don’t fully understand American politics so why did only 13 people vote on this?

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        If I understand correctly this was a committee that was voting on pushing the GENIUS act forward so that it could then go on to the larger vote that would actually determine whether it became law.

        The Democrats in this committee tried to add an amendment that required the release of the Epstein files so the vote was on the changes to the bill which the Republicans voted no and will just go on fox news to complain about Democrats not using the proper channels of legislation to get what they want.

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          I guess adding amendments to bills is the American if you look at Trump’s big awful bill. Is is corruption that Republicans can do that but not the Democrats?

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            It’s kinda turned into a “by any means” game since passing legislation is such a bottleneck in their logjammed system. Democrats do megabills with amendments when they’re in power too.

            The Republicans in theory have a point, but in practice any standalone bill would stall, be shot down or lost, with the reasoning from Republicans likely being “we have more critical things to worry about”. And yes, its also extremely hypocritical for the exact reason you said.

            It’s usually not this dramatic though. Absolute fealty to Trump is required from Republicans… We’ve never had a Congress this subservient, not that I can remember, hence the knots and justifications are getting twisty.

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            It happens all the time, I wouldn’t say it’s corruption, it’s more hypocrisy. It’s ok when they do it, but not ok when Democrats do it.

            It’s about what’s relevant to the bill anyway, an amendment about Epstein isn’t really relevant to the bill or the subject of the bill as far as I know so the Republicans wouldn’t be totally wrong to say as much, they’d just be hypocrites but they always are so that’s nothing new. The Democrats were doing it to get Republicans “on record” saying “no” so they could use it against them in the midterm elections, but I don’t see that helping at all when the Republicans can just cry about process and their friendly media will back them up.

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      As a native new yorker (and unfortunately its the part of NY that votes red most times) its really disgusting to see a Republican New Yorker in the list of Nays. Just giving us more names we have to vote out to fucking dredge this swamp.

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    If you can’t get it out legally, just do it illegally. What are they going to do, kill the leaker? They are already killing people anyway so there’s no safety in waiting.

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        Exactly. They are just going to keep on killing. So if you have access to that information it’s likely you are going to be snuffed out soon anyway. So leak it and enjoy the show.

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          I guess. If you want to be a dead hero? Like the journalist woman who worked on the Panama who was car bombed….

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            You are missing my point. If you have access to that data, you are already going to be killed no matter what you plan to do with it. You’re a loose end.

            There’s no incentive to keep quiet.

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    The kids being held in ICE facilities are the US president’s fuck dolls. Not only is he a failed businessman, rapist and conman, but he’s also a child molester! What a wonderful representation of America!

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    I have a copy of the un-redacted list. Trumps are on it. Clintons are not.