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Can have actual socialists getting a foot hold anywhere.
the fate of this country is ultimately in the hands of the people, not the dems or republicans. we can bitch about who’s not doing the right thing or we can do it ourselves.
arm yourself. stop waiting on someone else to fix it.
Whom are you going to shoot in order to fix this genocidal cult? You’re not going to outgun the cops, military, etc. You can’t shoot a disgusting, anti-life, capitalist “culture”. Grow up.
sounds like something a pathetic pacifist coward would say in apathy. good luck with that.
You’re only saying that because it’s true.
If my choice is being taken away to the camps, or going out in a blaze of glory fighting for my freedom….
Guess which one I’ll pick?
but if you’re willing to go “out in a blaze of glory”, why wouldn’t you just shoot them before they get to your door?
Maybe try to find a third option first.
We’ve already tried that. A lot.
When they’re at your door with masks, guns, tasers, and hand-cuffs, I don’t think there are any other options.
If you’re aware of one please enlighten me. Don’t say call a lawyer or present a birth certificate. People have done both and been deported anyways.
When they’re at your door with masks, guns, tasers, and hand-cuffs, I don’t think there are any other options.
there aren’t. don’t let them get to your door
Can’t arm myself… my state requires I pay a tax… do a background check that takes about a day… then do the same background check but it takes a few days to a few weeks… then I have to wait 30 business days which is like 3 months… oh and I need live fire training where I have to fire a minimum of 50 rounds which each round is taxed and I am given a pass/fail status by an old fudd who thinks I should never handle a firearm because I’m a registered Democrat… eventually I get my firearm if my licensed dealer hasn’t fucked up the paperwork or isnt on another holiday… BUT I am severely limited in my choices as nearly every good personal defense firearm is banned either by name or because it has a useful feature like threaded barrels to mount a suppressor which will help with my hearing loss as I age… I probably won’t get what I want either because the standard mag comes with a capacity of 11 or more rounds…
But yes! Lets arm ourselves!
None of what you wrote indicates that you can’t arm yourself - you’ve just outlined reasons why you can’t be assed to do it and it sure sounds hyperbolized to me. For example, your excuse of an old fudd thinking you shouldn’t be armed just for being a registered Democrat… why the hell would you just disclose that information when it’s not relevant to what you’d be doing at all. Go in, take your shots, get your paperwork, and leave. You don’t need to get into your personal politics.
You make it sound like going through a vetting process is such an inconvenience. The only real hindrance you’ve outlined is costs. The comment reads like pure defeatist.
my state requires I pay a tax…
You mean like everything else?
do a background check that takes about a day… then do the same background check but it takes a few days to a few weeks… then I have to wait 30 business days which is like 3 months…
Did that, didn’t stop me. And one month is three months, got it. That’s just time though.
oh and I need live fire training where I have to fire a minimum of 50 rounds which each round is taxed and I am given a pass/fail status by an old fudd who thinks I should never handle a firearm because I’m a registered Democrat…
Simple solution - don’t tell old fuddies who have power over you that you’re a Democrat.
I am severely limited in my choices as nearly every good personal defense firearm is banned either by name or because it has a useful feature like threaded barrels to mount a suppressor which will help with my hearing loss as I age… I probably won’t get what I want either because the standard mag comes with a capacity of 11 or more rounds…
I understand that making a decision on personal defense firearms is a difficult choice. Just because your options are limited, though, doesn’t mean you can’t find a piece that works for you. And WEAR FUCKING HEARING PROTECTION WHEN YOU SHOOT. Y’know, like everyone else does. If you’re in a life-or-death situation, sure, you’re going to suffer from having to shoot an unsilenced gun, but better a ringing in your ears than starving to death in a foreign prison.
Man o man.
2A looks pretty fucking great when we are faced with an actual threat, don’t it?
Even for a 12ga pump? Most people don’t need a handgun. Scattergun will do most everything you need, from putting food on the table to handling two or four legged varmints.
sounds like defeatist talk to me. i can’t legally own a firearm either but that never stopped me.
It IS defeatist talk. Some people prefer to remain cattle than to fight, and will find any excuse to be so.
Yeah, you have to do all that, but a kid can just get their parent’s automatic weapon and go shoot around in the school. Your shitty police who are “trained” to prevent this just stand around “making plans” on how to stop this one kid. Once enough students dies, they go home and go to work the next day to go and shoot people’s pet dogs. What a beautiful “free” country you live in with a funny clown president. First world country my foot LOL
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I’ve been asking this for days and have not gotten a clear answer in what way is the DNC fighting the candidate put forth to the generals by the DNC?
He was put forth by the people not by DNC.
You don’t get into the DNC primary via petition, my guy. You ask the DNC to join and they give out invitations to the ones who can run on their ticket.
They didn’t expect him to win. He was the olive branch to people on the left in order to say “see? We had someone with more pro-social ideas and he wasn’t popular enough. Let’s try shifting further to the right and see if we get more votes that way.”
We had Jeremy Corbyn do that over here. Absolutely romped into the Labour leadership.
Whereupon he was demonised and demolished by the press, ably assisted by the centrists in the party who think that actually giving a shit about the people is far too hardline lefty. Which then gifted us another five years of Tory cunts in power, which The Centrists decried despite the fact that THEY FUCKING PUT THEM THERE.
Cunts.
Anyway, now we have pretty much the most centre right “leftwing” government we’ve ever had. And that includes the Blair years.
All of which is to say: I hope your man wins, but he’ll almost certainly be kneecapped by the Democrats because he runs the risk of costing them money.
They expect every candidate to have a chance of winning when they hold primaries. Bernie came somewhat close to beating HRC in 2016, if he had like 4 million more votes they wouldn’t have been able to do anything about stopping him from running the entire nation, unlikely that they would try.
DNC is the left party, the party of progress, now and decades prior.
The DNC is very much a conservative party. To claim the democratic party to be left leaning is a complete lack of awareness or it’s propaganda.
Ah yes thank you for bringing up that one policy. /s
Toothless neolibs and neocons aren’t leftist, this is not an opinion, learn to operate outside of the U.S.’s Overton window.
Bernie came somewhat close to beating HRC in 2016
Bernie came close while simultaneously getting sandbagged at every opportunity by the DNC. If he’d gotten the same kind of attention as Hillary, there’s a very good chance he would have won.
DNC is only the party of progress because there isn’t another viable party that’s better at it. It’s up to us to push them to the left, because they’re really bad at doing it themselves. NYC proved that it’s possible; I only hope it mobilizes the rest of the left-leaning populace to take similar action. Vote blue and do what you can locally to enact change.
I repeat, he did lose by over 3 Million Votes. Supposed, uncoroborated, sandbagging aside, Hillary was the more popular candidate.
You’re not pushing the party left by telling everyone they’re an unviable bunch of corporate shills, you’re just convincing people not to vote for them and letting Republicans win.
Supposed, uncoroborated, sandbagging aside
DNC is the left party, the party of progress, now and decades prior.
The party that has been running on “Everything is fine, status quo is great, we won’t change anything” is the party of progress?
The party who taxes and audits the rich, the party who expands medical coverages, the party who removed money from politics until the conservative SCOTUS overturned the law with Citizens United decision, and the Party who hasn’t had more than 50 senators in the past 10 years while everything has gone to shit.
If we want change we should elect the DNC, and even more importantly remove every single Republican.
The democratic governor, for instance, has said she won’t fund Mamdani’s programs.
That’s fine because Mamdani isn’t asking for state funding, AFAIK. His $60M grocery store plan reallocates funding which would have gone to business subsidies for grocery stores, his other ideas cost an estimated $3M and $5M out of a $116Bn fiscal budget. Since Property Taxes are not handled by the state he doesn’t need permission to raise them on.
Making buses free might actually save them money from investigating unpaid tickets.
I would love what you’re saying to be true, but I don’t think it is:
Two of the three key planks in his platform — making buses free to ride and providing universal free child care — would require action from the governor and state legislature, including raising taxes by billions of dollars. (The third, freezing the rent on rent-stabilized apartments, can be accomplished at the city level.)
I’m not sure how trustworthy that article is, since it also claims Cuomo comfortably won Brooklyn but the results for Brooklyn were Mamdani 48% to Cuomo 31%. Property taxes do not require state congress and the NYC budget is also separate from the state treasury. It does mention 3 dissenting state congressmen out of 150, the party breakdown being 83D 22R 45O.
The article doesn’t say that. This is what it says:
…parts of southeast Brooklyn and Queens where Cuomo won comfortably. [My emphasis.]
You’re not doing the bare minimum to arrive at an accurate picture of things. This makes this discussion a waste of time.
For anyone who’s actually curious, this map shows the results for each election district.
More sources on the Albany point:
- WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/zohran-mamdani-will-need-allies-in-albany-mayor-manhttan-emanuel-tax-2fd075bb
- Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/27/zohran-mamdani-policy-pitches-new-york-00369756
- NY Times (soft paywall): https://news.google.com/read/CBMingFBVV95cUxNcU1RaTJsUkE4dUc1N0w2R0RQb0d1aXNJbmlITEM0SHFZVjlvWUE5ZWVhcFFJYmNrMVI5dkM5bXEyRGR3dnR4Njh4d0YzRjlqVm9zYTlFd0FCRFBlWHpBeGlZWXBER1pLYVkxYWZJeDgzb3RBYVBNY3phZEN0UUlDd2ZOLVhObmlKcGtwaFZBdXpWVm9fRDh5SEtQY0RCUQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
- NY Post: https://nypost.com/2025/06/18/us-news/gov-hochul-rips-zohran-mamdanis-tax-on-rich-admits-costs-are-pushing-nyers-to-palm-beach/
WJS:
The good news: Mr. Mamdani’s proposed tax hikes—along with such costly goals as fare-free buses, universal childcare and $70 billion in added borrowing to finance affordable housing—couldn’t be implemented without Albany’s cooperation. The bad news: Much of the Democrat-dominated state Legislature broadly embraces the same left-wing economic principles of Mr. Mamdani’s program.
Obvious Bias aside for a moment, it doesn’t really explain why and it also sort of defeats the initial point you were making by implying Mamandi has overwhelming support by the state congress. I’m not going to sit here and “read more theory” that you keep pulling out when you can’t even say in your own words why Mamdani needs permission from Albany or the governor.
Wait why are democrats fighting him? I thought he was socialist or something
He said billionaires shouldn’t exist. If billionaires didn’t exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?
He’s popular with the voters. He’s going to stomp New York, and then he’ll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they’d have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.
They’d rather run bad candidates and lose.
He’s not eligible to run for president because he was born in Uganda.
Damn, I forgot the constitution was racist
Fortunately the constitution doesn’t matter anymore. Run him anyway!
Mamdani would mop the floor with Trump.
I was about to say that Trump has already been elected twice, and then I remembered that that’s not going to stop him.
Democrats aren’t fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn’t want him as their representative, because he doesn’t match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn’t actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they’ll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.
Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can’t get their man in the election, then they’ll throw the race and take everyone down with them.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it.
The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.
Which, fuckin’ honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.
And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it’s too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it’s just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.
True. The more right the DNC leans, the more extremist right the RNC leans, to differentiates themselves from Democrats.
Yes, yes, everything the Republicans do is actually the fault of the Democrats. I’ve heard this one.
What’s this? nuance in a lemmy comment? Inconceivable.
That’s why they’re fighting him. Money go brr and money is scared.
Wait why are democrats fighting him?
Because he’s advocating policies and reforms that run counter to the financial and social interests of the Democratic Leadership
They aren’t, Mamdani is the representative on the DNC ticket and has been congratulated by many members of the DNC. He swept every district in the primary election.
Hakeem Jefferies went on television literally yesterday and said he wasn’t willing to endorse Mamdani. Schumer hasn’t endorsed either. Generally speaking, when a politician from your own party releases a statement, “congratulating,” you instead of endorsing you, it’s considered a slight.
He didn’t say he wouldn’t endorse him, only that he was going to meet with him this week to talk about stances which affect both of their approval ratings such as rising antisemitism in NYC, and I can certainly believe that even before the war on Gaza there was rising antisemitism such as a crowd led by Kanye West at one point.
Hakeem’s District is Brooklyn, 22.4% Jewish.
Mamdani won Jefferies’district, so it wouldn’t make sense to withhold his endorsement because of the voters. However, Jefferies top contributor is AIPAC, which does make a lot more sense.
Jefferies has insinuated that Mamdani is antisemitic and refused to endorse him. There is no universe in which that is anything but and attack.
Mamdani won Jefferies’ district with a 15% DNC voter turnout, running against Cuomo.
So you think Jefferies’ voters are so concerned about Mamdani they’ll primary Jefferies if he endorses him, but not concerned enough to vote against Mamdani in the first place? That’s more likely than Jefferies not wanting to piss off his biggest donor?
I’m saying caution is a fine approach in the face of uncertainties, hopefully Mamdani’s polls look great and Jefferies endorses him wholeheartedly.
That’s actually the exact reason democrats are fighting him.
So he’s too far left?
And he’s probably not even particularly left.
Maybe, but not if he wants to live long.
Despite what Fox News may tell you, the Democrats (well, the DNC leadership in particular) aren’t “left.”
They are when they are being called radical.
I’m just going off of what was said in the prior comment. I haven’t looked anything up quite yet
Then why are you commenting?
There’s way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It’s difficult to deal with, because there’s a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around.
They’re afraid if someone on “their side” is out there yelling “I’m a socialist”, that it’ll scare the donors. That much is true.
Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the “both sides” narrative actively want us all to lose.
We don’t need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they’re absolutely fucking not, and second, that’s going to get people to stay home and lose elections.
We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that’ll help win elections. IF we don’t sink the boat while we’re doing it.
“We can’t elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won’t be able to elect people who do the things we want.”
If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong.
Zohran Mamdani won against Cuomo, despite Cuomo having the billionaire donors.
Also the Democrats running after billionaire donors orders had them loose to Trump not once but twice.
Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don’t need billionaires to fund your campaign.
Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people.
Honestly if you put the DNC in other countries they wouldn’t be considered left.
Even the UK who’s current “left” PM is actually extremely centre, but compare the DNC to him they would still be more right than him.
In any other country they’d be the conservative party.
Now do you believe people when they say they have a 2 party system with Republicans vs
Democratsother republicans?Mamdani is a Democrat, you’re calling Mamdani controlled opposition.
Mamdani is a Democrat
Tell that to the DNC
The DNC are the ones who informed me.
BoTh SiDeS
Books are where it’s at!
Edit: Why do you dislike books so much?
It’s abundantly obvious the parties are different. I’m snarky because so many mental sloths exist. Be bothered to think and I’ll be less snarky. Specific, non-hyperbolic factual criticisms are not what I take issue with.
If you say the parties are the same you’re either revealing how grossly ignorant you are, or what a liar you are. No grey area there really.
The VOTERS of each party are different. The actual leaders of each party, the actual people running the party apparatus? There’s very little difference between the parties in terms of actual leadership.
One party sometimes pretends to help, the other viciously kills all in its path and is proud of it. Yep, basically the same. Sometimes I cannot tell Bernie Sanders from Trump. Same person.
Same donors = same interests
BoTh SiDeS me no see difference because difference challenge me
Trump always bad so our side always good.
Little projection from Blue MAGA
Just look at how they voted in tabling to be able to vote on if Trump’s articles of impeachment. Way too many democrats voted yes to not vote on it. It’s as if most of them don’t want to look at the fascism happening, and stick their heads in the sand. In my blue state only one voted to hear the articles of impeachment. Fuck.
Of all the reasons to impeach Trump, the one selected in that case was the most precarious.
It should be unacceptable for the president to unilaterally make such a risky military maneuever, however you can cite some precedent in every administration for over 60 years. So you have to answer why only this time is the president impeachable for a unilateral strike when that has been normal for presidents for a very long time.
I get it, it’s unconscionable how Netanyahu has treated Gaza and the West Bank, it’s supremely risky how they and the US engaged with Iran. It’s shocking this level of military risk can be incurred by the executive branch without warning. However without some laws indicating the status quo has changed, there’s nothing to hold the office accountable for being consistent with every other administration in living memory.
Besides, while reactions over Gaza have significantly more popular sympathy for the Palestinians, the popular opinion of the Iranian regime is not so sympathetic, and thus far the nature of the strikes seem to be more surgical in nature than what has happened in Gaza, so this isn’t exactly the political opinion to bet everything on.
Trump’s administration almost daily gives more unique and blatantly illegal behaviors that could be the focus of articles of impeachment, and this was just a poor choice.
Books are where it’s at!
Edit: Why is this getting downvoted?
Because you’re posting like someone without two brain cells to rub together.
Lol I’m the state agent here, Vlad
Books are where it’s at!
If they’re the same, you wouldn’t even need to say it
You’re right, they’re not the same.
Red MAGA is evil, Blue MAGA too but they are hypocrites about it.
So worseBooks are where it’s at!
Something something class interests something something
