I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?
Zero consequences, as usual.
I’m not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.
This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It’s just pissed off people, not people with a plan.
Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it’s just bored people with mob mentality.
Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder
California is only “progressive” to the extent that it makes neo-liberals richer.
Massachusetts is the real center of progressivism in the US.
The entire east coast is more progressive because they value modesty and hard work way more than lazy, privileged Californians.
East Coast Beast Coast baby. Bad things happen in Philly don’t come around
Throw batteries at ICE
You guys do love hammerin’ shit. Never change, Philly.
Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
And so it begins.
yup. next stop: martial law.
Probably the most likely scenario - do ppl remember during COVID & BLM how parts of Portland were reclaimed for a time? There were lots of spontaneous mini-riots all over the place but Trump didn’t declare martial law. Will he this time? Will these protests spread? Is Trump gonna way over react this early, setting off more and more protests?? Is this the start?
I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.
How about “America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version”?
These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.
I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)
Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.
No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.
Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.
Nobody claimed that
'cept the entire tankieverse saying that you shouldn’t vote for Biden (later Harris) because they’re the ones causing the genocide in Gaza. Like yes, they did jack all to fix it, but we all knew Trump would be even worse. Telling that to just about any tankie resulted in “How can it get any worse than genocide? Voting for Biden/Harris means you voted for genocide” or something along those lines.
Didn’t take very long for Trump to go “lol Gaza is prime beachfront property tho, let’s get em fuckers out” after he got his throne back.
They actively courted the likes of Dick Cheney. They are perfectly fine with what’s happening right now
Oh yeah it was definitely fucked up. But at least we didn’t end up with Harris, so the world is saved.
Two different topics. Giving billions of dollars and unlimited diplomatic backup vs giving billions of dollar and unlimited diplomatic backup. There is nothibg different when it comes to gaza. But i never saw people here saying trump would be better for american
It’s less that anyone said he’d be better for Americans and more that everyone said don’t vote for Harris, while Trump received no criticism. Getting dem voters to stay home is an old old republican strategy and the tankies definitely helped.
We are not Dem voters
Oh sorry, republican voter and/or republican helper.
Literally millions of people claimed that
Only republican cultists
They were so hard to tell from genuine but deluded leftists.
Are you blind and deaf?
No
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What are you accomplishing right now?
These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.
It’s not a fucking immigration protest. They didn’t deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.
Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.
If you don’t own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.
What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it’s simply not what you signed up for. Say no
Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force, bypassing Newsome, that’s a pretty big problem. Newsome is suing Trunp. In the meantime - violence on citizens by cops and Trunp-allied forces continues.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force
No, he did not. He federalized the California National guard. The State Guard is a lesser-known organization that answers solely to the Governor. They cannot be federalized. Which is why we’re probably going to be seeing states putting more of their resources into their State Guards and less into their National Guard units.
As for the CA National Guard: Article I, Section 8, Clause 16. The State retains the sole authority to appoint the officers of the Militia.
10 USC 246. The National Guard is the Militia.
Newsom has the authority to appoint the officers of the National Guard. Revoking the appointments of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned officers of the California National Guard, he effectively disbands the organization.
Trump has no authority to override Newsom’s authority here.
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.
Anyway. GovCo can’t win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don’t have the numbers.
Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn’t handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.
You overestimate how willing people are to throw their bodies at the problem. Things have to be so bad that they expect to die anyway. Otherwise, your militia sign-ups will be limited to only those most brave, ideological, or stupid.
You also underestimate how much more effective military training and ordinances are among the US military vs militias. If they really wanted to mow down civilians, it would be fish in a barrel, even if everyone in the militia is armed.
This is why the hope is that US service men are committed to the constitution and not to Drumpf’s orders. It’s a thin hope.
They’re committed to the paycheck. Don’t be naive. Do you think American soldiers are uniquely unable to carry out atrocities? That sweet salty buttery baby jesus is gonna reach down, touch their hearts and make them defy orders? I’ll refer you to uh, the last 25 years of action in the middle east.
This empire is dying live on TV. And all of them so far have ended bloody. We won’t be the exception.
I did say it was a thin hope (well I said ‘thing’ but I’ve corrected it now).
But I think you give your service men too little credit. Even the police. How many fatalities or even serious injuries have actually occurred during protest activities? These a generally not people who want to kill anyone, particularly not their American brothers and sisters. But when one side dehumanizes the other, all bets are off. If things actually become life threatening, then everything changes. Kill or be killed.
I’m happy to be surprised. But I have set my expectations appropriately low.
I expect some inciting event over the summer. Someone gets killed by the feds and those protests really do turn into real riots. Then the clown prince will escalate. Open war by Christmas.
Like I said. I’m happy to be proven wrong. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. Maybe we’ll luck out and he’ll have a stroke mid ramble or maybe some general will shoot the bastard during his military parade. But I don’t think we’re that lucky.
Another possible is a general strike. That Union leader they black bagged earlier this week. He hasn’t been released yet. If they try to deport him on some trumped up bullshit that’s gonna have an apocalyptic backlash from basically every union except the police union.
Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.
Sooo, there’s that.
Legally I believe the National Guard must be mobilized for a legal reason and until Trump has identified an actual cause, he cannot mobilize them himself. So Newson should just order them to stand down.
Newson hasn’t done that though.
Funny how he doesn’t hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn’t do shit.
Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.
2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn’t want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.
Shit MAGA creating their version of Tiananmen Square. I guarantee the fucking CCP and Russians are smiling.
How many fakes are in the crowd manipulating the situation for the oppositions political gain?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+spot+an+agent+provacateur+at+a+protest&t=fpas&ia=web
Lots of great results so I didn’t pick just one but this helps, too.
Yup. And it’s always these guy who are agitating for violence and “burning shiat down” and nobody can remember who this guy is or exactly when he joined the group.
They’re called, “agents provocateurs” (google them. They’re nothing new). They are government plants whose job is to start shit in peaceful protests to give the government an excuse to crack down violently.
They will provoke innocent people to become criminals. Remember their job is a business too. They play the game for money like gangsters.
As an overt resistor, my uniform (with ID) and an emblem, a sparrow of hope for a better tomorrow.
Would love to have an official sparrow of hope symbol for morale patches and car decals.
That video of Bernie put a tear in my eye. I thought “God chose Bernie on this day”.
I don’t even identify as a Christian.Same. Dude just radiates goodness and genuine character. I hope that I have a bit of his guts.
Yeah, this is fucking depressing. Anyone wanna fight about Linux distros?
Not much of a fight when I use ARCH
But why not Arch with a mix of Rocky in the network acting as NASs and small edge compute nodes?
Me too, btw.
Biebian or Hannah Montana Linux
TempleOS
Biebien and Hannah Montana Linux are affronts to god, whereas TempleOS is a tribute.
Do either of you two know how to get to that bird game in TempleOS?
Linux Mint Master Race, reporting.
It just werks.
Ill do you one better. Windows is superior to Linux! (N.b. this comment is strictly to cause a ruckus)
Agents provocateurs spotted! The top comment guy was right all along!
;)
Pfff, Amiga OS rules. (nb never used it, but but you asked for ruckus.)
I appreciate your contribution to said ruckus
Naaaaaw. Commodore 64 all the way. KCman is still the shit
I use ARCH btw
Doesn’t the California National Guard report to the Governor?
Normally yes, but the president has the power to federalize National Guard troops in extraordinary circumstances. That power hasn’t been exercised since 1965 though. Until now.
I mean, only if the National Guard doesn’t just decide no it isn’t extraordinary circumstances and refuses to mobilize beyond being in the area they were ordered to be generally (as in it is reasonable for the president to be able to take control of national guard unit and order them to deploy, but ordering them to take action against a non-violent entity is a bridge too far).
There are no rules, only choices, people that pretend otherwise are afraid of seeing themselves in the mirror.
Doesn’t trump lose horribly every time he goes after CA?
He’d have better luck waiting for something to go down in the Midwest, but yeah, w/e good luck.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ocean_Resort_Baja_Mexico
He fucked up every investor by around $200,000.0 each. Lots of love for this guy to go around. Somehow he keeps buying into higher and higher places. Purchasing the seat of the US presidency may not be the end…China has a heck of a lot of people to fuck with!
Especially in a town known for its history of riots. LA is ready to kick some nazi ass at a moments notice.
There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.
The question is what will convince individual troops and units that their orders are illegal. Disobeying orders isn’t something the military takes lightly. In theory a court order should be proof enough, but who knows these days.
Ill juat leave this here.
https://girightshotline.org/en/military-counseling-news-updates/if-your-conscience-troubles-you/
And rather than fighting against people who can’t reach your home, those protestors can strike back. I hope anyone in the military realises that he’s putting their own family at harms way. That may very well change the equation. I’m sure they are willing to risk their own lives, but are they also willing to risk the lives of the kids?
Well, more than a good reason, it’s in the UCMJ and drilled into you in basic.
