OMG here we go again.
In most democracies, there are election poll watchers from the major parties, and also independent poll watchers to observe and make sure no shenanigans are going on. The Democratic and independent poll watchers would’ve reported any election irregularities. I not seeing widespread reports of such.
States run elections, even safe blue states shifted 10+ percentanage more red.
So my conclusion: The vote count itself is probably legit.
The real “rigging” was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.
Think about all those people getting scammed all the time. You see those stories and be like “OMG how can they be so stupid”. Well this is the same, but with politics and elections. Talk to people and you’ll see how dumb they are. Some people genuinely think that fascist coup plotter will fix things. 🤦♂️
These elections (like the one OP is talking about) are election has lower turnout, so it probably favors democrats, since democrats are more energized to vote after the defeat last november.
There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.
I want to believe that, cause it confirms my biases, but you gotta source?
Took me a while but I found what I was thinking of.
It was the Fired FEC head
But it wasn’t because she was fired they didn’t go forward, it’s because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to ‘flip’
Asked by Alicia Menendez, “What is most alarming to you?” she replied, “Well, I can’t talk about anything that would be currently before the commission by law, complaints that are filed and any investigatory action remains confidential until the cases are closed.”
She then continued. “But I can tell you that in the past we have had 63 separate complaints filed against the president or his political committees –– and not all complaints are well-founded not all complaints are worth the agency’s time to pursue. But our nonpartisan professional staff has advocated that we pursue 31 of those cases and, in not a single one, did we get four votes to move forward.”
This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too
“Almost every matter that the FEC has not pursued is associated with the former president [Trump]” (Rep Torres, about 57minutes in)
Link to thread discussing: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/JUGCXE7Gab
Link to full hearing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/live/mIDJ5whpSHQ
Certainly suspicious.
There’s a pretty strong theory that it wass rigged by the tabulator software. One of the guys in DOGE was hired because he literally wrote software that could do that exact thing - modify submitted ballots. His involvement was literally scrubbed from the Internet before people found out about it (they missed a few spots). The Election Truth Alliance did a report on Clark County, NV, showed that there was a heavy skew after around 60% of the ballots were processed that should started lumping everything towards Trump - essentially, the votes should be chaotic, and almost somewhat random, not clearly clustering at the 60% mark.
Other red flags, we had one of the largest years for voter registration, a majority for Democrats. The polling all showed that we were crushing it. His rallies were showing lower turnout, and everything pointed to his platform losing steam…and then he somehow wins every single swing state?
Yeeeaaaahhhhh…that doesn’t happen…you should be questioning the results.
is there any data on registered voter turnout in a handful of counties where it really mattered? Because that would tell you whether or not the discrepancy is due to democrats simply not voting, a well known problem within the democratic party.
Per Ballotopedia: "The average turnout in the seven presidential battleground states was 70% in 2024. This was below the 2020 average, which was 70.7%. "
One additional thing…Trump won every battleground, but somehow Democrats won pretty much every down ballot race in those states. I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump…a few voters will sure, but not enough to swing nearly every down ballot race…that’s absurd.
Also: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/ gonna stop spamming this link now, but MAN it’s infuriating that noone even considers this. They’ve been doing voter suppression for decades, how hard is it to connect the dots?
I mean I literally said this:
The real “rigging” was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.
My point is, the actual vote count itself is legitimate, but the fairness of the election as a whole was definitely unfair.
All elections in the history of the US has been biased in favor of the more regressive candidate. This one is not much different.
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He didn’t “handily win” he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
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It tracks with an anti-incumbent sentiment, people are not happy with inflation so they voted against the incumbent, they’re still not happy and still voting against the incumbent.
And he only won because a few million people who voted in 2020 sat on their asses instead of voting this time.
Sounds like First-past-the-post voting doesn’t accurately represent the people with its inherent two party system. Are you working towards giving these people representation in your state by pushing for electoral reform?
That fight is dead, the current fight is “will we ever have federal elections again”
But will you vote for (D) Nikki Haley in 2028?
It seems like supporting a genocide depresses turnout. Democratic consultants, take note.
Democrat politicians have already decided “DEI” was the problem. Good luck getting those spineless cowards something resembling a moral framwork.
Uh, are you confusing Republicans, the ones currently in power, with Democrats or something?
no they are pointing out the Dems are doing literally anything to shift the blame from the party. I have seen so fucking many people argue that the dems should just drop all the trans issues and let the republicans win on it. Others blaming leftists for pointing out the problems with Harris.
The only notes they pay any attention to are Federal Reserve Notes.
“yeah because they supported genocide I didn’t primary them and instead let the guy who supports 2 genocides including the same one win”
Wow fuckin clowns
He didn’t “handily win” he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
he won the popualar vote despite all the EVERYTHING
That tracks with the reality that half of America really likes the guy.
America is the country that had almost 70% of Republicans polling that Nixon shouldn’t resign the day before congress decided to impeach.
He won. It is unfortunate, but not unsurprising or requiring a leap of faith, and it has all evidence supporting it, factually.
Now we need to take that reality and address it and the root causes–rather than fighting facts with preferred fantasy like the right wing has done at every opportunity.
I know that Republicans spent 2020 looking for bamboo in ballots, but haven’t been able to find even hand recounts in swing states. I think Democrats are so invested in being “good losers” that there has not been enough investigation into an election where Republicans certainly cheated as much as they were able to.
Apparently doing the “every accusation is a confession” projection routine years ago with the brazen 2020 election conspiracies has completely disarmed the democrats’ ability to do anything. They have become the political version of the Washington Generals (the basketball team who’s job it is to make things interesting for the audience by losing to the Harlem Globetrotters).
It’s not half of America, it’s half of half of eligible voters, and even some of them were holding their nose to do it.
If the DNC was even remotely capable of caring about everyday people they could have easily won. They need to crawl out of the corporate pockets they’ve been living in and actually try to fix things if they don’t want to go the way of the Whigs.
Wrong. Polls of all adults, registration be damned, is nearly 1:1 with what we saw at the polls.
Here’s a yougov poll from like a week ago: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econtoplines_c1AfT3R.pdf
There was no mandate. In 2024, every incumbent party in every liberal democracy worldwide lost ground because of inflation concerns.
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Trump’s been talking about how he won because of Elon “being good with computers”
Investigations were launched over less
Everone is getting real jumpy around Isreal. Isreal has a booming cyber security industry and is one of the biggest exporters of security exploits that they sell to corporations and nation states.
They didn’t need to use computers. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
Why aren’t we talking more about all the mail in ballots that were destroyed in mailbox arson attacks or by postal workers?
Yeah, something about this shift in focus feels like a psyop. We have clear evidence of targeted voter suppression, destruction of ballots, etc. In a two party system, fraudulently removing your opponent’s votes has exactly the same impact as creating fake votes for yourself. That’s already clear evidence of fraud, why are we redefining “evidence of fraud” as a new thing that we haven’t found yet?
Also dejoy running the postal service
all 300 of them?
Those people probably knew who they were, and probably voted after the fact.
Election denialism seems to just now be a feature of American politics
I’m sorry, but this is the most egregious example of “both sides do it” that I’ve ever seen.
The republicans made denying the election a central pillar of their platform, and the lies was repeated by virtually every leader in the party. And a violent mob stormed the capitol in an attempt to overturn the vote.
Show me a fragment of that being done by the left.
You’re under a post where someone is engaged in election denialism. You go to social media, even here, you can see it.
You know, both sides doing something doesn’t mean or even imply that it’s to equal degree. It’s just that both sides in the US seem to be doing it right now.
Of course it’d be both sides. They use projection to shield themselves. So if they were going to steal an election, they’d accuse the dems of doing it first.
This isn’t conscious but they think everyone thinks like them so if they’re trying to steal the election obviously the dems are too.
You know, both sides doing something doesn’t mean or even imply that it’s to equal degree. It’s just that both sides in the US seem to be doing it right now.
On this point, you are completely wrong. When you have one party making election denialism a core of their belief system while on the other side you have a few random people making claims on social media, it is absurd to claim that “both sides … seem to be doing it right now”. The very fact of you attempting to make the argument implies that there is equivalence between the two sides.
No, both sides have not made denialism central to their party platform. No, the Democrats did not have any cabinet nominees who refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the last election. No, both sides did not storm the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election.
No, both sides are not doing it.
When you have one party making election denialism a core of their belief system while on the other side you have a few random people making claims on social media, it is absurd to claim that “both sides … seem to be doing it right now”.
But that’s both sides doing it. You just described people from both sides doing it…
No, both sides have not made denialism central to their party platform. No, the Democrats did not have any cabinet nominees who refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the last election. No, both sides did not storm the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election.
Right, and I never claimed so.
No, both sides are not doing it.
I’m sorry but they are. What you have a problem is understanding the difference (not even nuance) of “both sides are doing it” and “both sides are doing it to the same degree/same level/whatever”. It’s two very different things.
Both sides would refer to equivalent people doing it, so actual political members of the party since that’s where the Republicans set the bar, not just some random public citizens on the internet.
Both sides would refer to equivalent people doing it
No it doesn’t. Both sides are doing X can just mean literally that, both sides are doing X. You’re confusing that with “both siding”, where you are saying that with the intention to imply that they’re somehow equivalent or equal. And that’s not what I’m doing, as you can probably tell by now.
Just recognizing that it’s happening on both sides doesn’t mean or even imply you think it’s happening to the same degree.
What do you think “both siding” entails?
It is the simple reduction of two completely disproportionate responses to the phrase “both sides do it”.
The same logic keeps being applied to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Both sides are fighting, they say, so both sides share equal responsibility for the destruction and for making peace.
I believe you when you say it isn’t your intent to do so, but in that case you are doing so obliviously. You don’t even know who the commenter is, so it’s pure assumption on your part that they’re even left wing to begin with.
It should be plainly obvious everything that Republicans complain about is sheer projection.
If they are complaining about rigged elections, do you think they themselves rigged the recent elections?
So do a lot of people a lot smarter than myself.
It’s not even like this is the first time. Everyone who’s able and interested should check out the HBO documentary Hacking Democracy about the 2004 election.
It was fascinating in 2008 watching a FOX anchor arguing with their in-house analysts when they called Ohio for Obama. He was arguing that the votes would start shifting to McCain just like they did for Bush in 2004. Sure enough, the same glitch happened, but the vote ratio didn’t change.
He started getting frantic after that, sure that the votes would start going for McCain any minute. It was super obvious he knew about what actually happened in 2004.
Interestingly, “Anonymous” claimed to have blocked the hack saving the election; which is both nonsense and probably technically true at the same time.
Drag googled “Anonymous Obama election” and couldn’t find anything
Interesting times ahead for the US when both of their major sided are losing (or lost) faith in elections.
The right got dozens of days in court to share whatever evidence they claimed to have that 2020 was stolen. They couldn’t provide a single shred of evidence for voter fraud that wasn’t in their favor. Now, with plenty of evidence, if the other side requests their day in court they are called crazy and conspiracy theorists and blue maga and blue anon and any other number of ad hominem attacks. What are they afraid of, if there was no hack let them prove it in court. But republicans don’t play fair and they never have, so why are Dems playing so easily into their hands? Are they that desperate to distance themselves from what they’ve seen as crazy election deniers? That means all the ad hominem worked.
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Verifying the vote isn’t denialism. The evidence is compelling and coherent. Too many whiners not enough debunkers!
Like said, interesting times coming up.
Natural result of decades of erosion to the fourth estate.
Thanks Ronald.
…but only when Republicans lose. When Democrats lose, it’s decorum all the way down. So basically, Republicans will never admit to losing fairly ever again, because election denialism isn’t punished.
I’ve seen a lot of election denialism after the most recent Republican wins. Not equal amounts to after Republican loss, not even close, but still a noticeable amount.
Notably, though, not from anyone really in a leadership position. Where’s Biden calling a governor and asking him to help him out, just a little? Where’s the senators and party board screaming about it?
That’s true
It’s not really denialism when there’s evidence. Verify the evidence.
It’s only denialism when it’s irrational and not based on coherent arguments. (Ie. Trump in 2020)
Folk on the internet will say a lot of stupid shit without evidence to back it up, that’s why “a lot of people are saying” should be a statement that carries a significant amount of skepticism and doubt. I don’t see much actual denialism coming from Democratic leadership.
The infuriating, part is that I expect the Dem leadership to at least be interested enough in knowing the truth to investigate and uncover facts that could lead to credible accusations of election interference. The yokels online are gonna be mad no matter what, but did the party really expect the guy who credibly cheated in the last two elections to not cheat again? ESPECIALLY since he was specifically not punished for it despite being found guilty? I hate that the smallest hint of truth-seeking efforts gets shot down as some kind of betrayal of party morals.
“I didn’t lose!!! It’s eh the others that are cheating…”
So far it has only proven to be a feature of donald trump, and there is no evidence to the contrary.
It’s definitely a lot more widespread than just Donald Trump.
You should look at chess competitions.
ahem Magnus Carlsen accusing Hans Niemann withiut evidence ahem
Ah yes the anal beads saga
Democrats are desperately willing to cling on to anything that will allow the party to continue on business as usual.
Perhaps this is because deep down in their hearts they understand that the DNC will not change no matter the circumstances, no matter the consequences. It’s not what their donors desire.
At least the republicans are completely idiotic, what is your excuse blue conservatives?
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
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At this point anyone who denies Elon stole the election is just as wilfully ignorant and naive as I was when I thought Trump didn’t collude with Russia. How much blatant evidence do you need before you admit that the cheating fascists are cheating fascists? (they never will because democrats are doing literally nothing to stop Elon illegally dismantling the government) (edited to fix an autocorrect)
I mean - just by money and messaging or is there some actual data from voting that shows irregularities?
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.
There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.
Holy Blueanon nonsense, Batman
Not definitive but irregular:
to be clear, there isn’t hard evidence that shows that trump colluded to win an election with the influence of russia, however it does show a LOT of overlap between the trump campaign, and russian influence in the election, all per the mueller report.
He already admitted Musk rigged the voting machines
Link? I missed that.
Elon’s kid keeps saying stuff that sounds like it was rigged too. I don’t wanna be a conspiracy theorist but I am intrigued at how some of this lines up.
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-kid-keeps-saying-weird-stuff-about-trump-2000563118
The same day, it should be noted, that Musk did those two Nazi-style salutes right in public.
Nazi-style salute. Thanks giz.
So, now we’re interpreting the comments of a toddler? This is some deranged journalism. I’m sure it gets clicks, though.
No, I’m not putting weight into it, but if we wanna talk election conspiracy, go big 😂
I really hope a lot of people don’t buy into this nonsense. Many on the left are feeling powerless, and that’s fertile ground for conspiracy theories. If we see the rise of BlueAnon, I’ll have to crawl into a cave and sleep for the next 4 years.
It’s implied. I can’t find the video just yet.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-elon-musk-voting-machine-2017657
And again I want to thank Elon for what he did in Pennsylvania. He worked so hard. He worked so hard in Pennsylvania. A great guy and a man who is a champion, a man who took something from nothing. Nobody, everybody said, this is something will never work. It’s too violent. But he understood people. He said they like violence unfortunately, right? But a man who understood fighting better than any man ever. There’s never been anything like this. What Dana White did with the UFC and building it into a monster sports franchise.
That? Mmmmmm no, I don’t see it. It’s demented rambling, sure, but not seeing the yowza moment.
I don’t think that’s the right bit. He said something like ‘and Elon knows those computers so well, those tabulators, and then we won PA’
And you know, it’s only because they rigged the election that I’ll be your president representing you there.
But then they rigged the election and now we won. So I’m going to be your president for the Olympics and for the World Cup.
I think he means that during his 2016-2020 run, he told people running the bids for the Olympics and World Cup that he wouldn’t be president in 2026, because his second term was supposed to be 2020-2024. Then, since he claims the dems rigged the 2020 election, his second term is now.
Let’s be frank: it was a special election where about a tenth of eligible voters turned out.
Trump ain’t gonna see an FDR level midterms victory, unless he manages to destroy the American democracy totally, but I wouldn’t look at this as evidence of some major shift by itself.
He won “legitimately” by suppressing the votes he couldn’t get in swing states. I heard that if you’re black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.
Grain of salt: I did hear this on YouTube and I don’t remember the channel, it might have been humanist report or something like that. It definitely sounded legit, though.
They had four years to corrupt the election offices in specific areas and I 100% believe they could and would pursue that opportunity.
EDIT: another poster shared this, this is basically the same thing I heard. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
I heard that if you’re black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.
the only thing i’ve seen backed up is that a bunch of republicans were challenging registration status of mostly minority identities, pretty much all of which were fraudulent, so it’s possible that this did influence it, not very significantly im guessing, im also pretty sure as a voter, that if your registration was invalid, it would be very very obvious to you. Everything i know about voting registration informs me that you must do all of this BEFORE election day, im not sure if there are any processes that allow you to retroactively do this, im guessing there are a few, but probably for select circumstances, very unlikely to be those im guessing.
Realistically, they probably gerrymandered and ran aggressive campaigning, which appears to have worked.
And what we’ll see is by next election this guy will lose his seat because Republicans and Independents are dumber than goldfish.
Yeah sure they’re a bunch of evil criminals, so if they had the methods to cheat they probably did.
But let’s say that tomorrow there are worldwide headlines about some irrefutable smoking gun evidence. Or maybe Musk goes on TV being a little bit too high, or Trump gives an interview while a few neurons too many wither and die in his skull, and they say they did it, tell us where to find the evidence, and say it was worth it and they did it because they are patriots trying to save the country. Just doubling down on the old “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
DOES ANYTHING EVEN HAPPEN? Who is gonna do something about it?
The absolute most extreme result I could possibly see being reality would be that Trump manages to get Musk accused and convicted for the interference. That would be just as funny as it is unlikely, but it would fix nothing.
The evidence is in plain sight already: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
It’s simple: challenged votes. Watch Vigilantes INC in YouTube.
to be clear, i’ve only ever seen actual reputable evidence of potential voter fraud through the case with the lady that illegally stole code for voting machines, it’s entirely unclear whether or not anything malicious besides stealing code illegally happened or not, however it’s not impossible that something couldn’t have happened, it’s hard to know for sure.
Every other claim seems like complete bullshit, and honestly, given the trump media circus, knock yourself out bro.
From a reporter who’s been doing this shit since the 80s at least: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
It’s more likely all the on the fence voters which accounted for at least 25% of the vote are seeing that they made a mistake and are trying to correct it.
Stop the steal!
