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this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
liberals like to decorate themselves with the nimbus of morality but when it comes to stepping up to fascism and protesting even if it’s not like a fun parade but serious and uncomfortable. Or just if the weather is bad.
Or when it comes to being self critical about your own learned patterns of behavior and thinking… they are nowhere to be seen, not to be relied on and it does real damage, as we can see.
While I agree with the rest, “your values are who you are” sounds very reductive. We are not one single aspect, not just our values, or thoughts, or emotions, or actions, but the dynamic system of them all.
not everyone can afford to have their actions match their values aye
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Classic liberals.
this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
Artifical borders.
Like claiming to be against ICE but then not even being slightly inconveniensed to not support companies that support them.
You’re on a giant fucking high horse.
I feel like you’d have to be on a giant to fuck a giraffe but I have no practical experience
That’s what sets leftists apart from liberals.
We’ve got too many people thinking they live in a fucking movie
It’s just like that one movie
I wish reading platitudes could make me feel superior to others
I have the perfect quote for you:
this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
Obviously I am making a bit of a joke on TOs cost here. Should be no problem for TO after making such broad statements.
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That’s not IO
What? It’s a common saying.
Like how France Italy and Greece didn’t arrest Netanyahu when he flew over their airspace.
They don’t really believe in upholding the international law
Sometimes caring about your own comes first. I know, shocking, right? Imagine the drama this would have caused, Trump would invoke military threats to free Netanyahu. It’s just not worth the conflict and you know he will walk away anyway.
Did you read the post you’re commenting on?
These countries are part of NATO.
Lot of wanking going on here. Is this a fetish?
I don’t agree with the last bit. What you do is what you are. But the rest is good.
To quote Chidi from the good place:
Well, principles aren’t principles when you pick and choose when you’re going to follow them.
It is literally saying that your values are what you do even when no one is watching, meaning not picking and choosing/
If you need to clear your nose out, then when other people aren’t watching you might well be picking …
Or wiping my ass, which I don’t do in front of other people either. It isn’t referring to every literal thing we do.
The context is about whether someone does the right thing when not being watched. As on their virtues aren’t just performative.
Ok but what about people with performative virtues who place themselves in situations where they’re expected to perform virtuously? For instance, things like alchoholics anonymous or Mike Johnson’s Covenent Eyes app? ( https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/11/01/mike-johnson-son-abstinence-partners/ )
I was specifically making a wordplay joke about the word “picking” … never mind.
It doesn’t really work in the context as written, but now I see what you are going for. If you had gone with ‘…choosing to be picking’ I probably would have caught it.
I’m reading it as your values determine what you do, what you do determines who you are
I miss mister Adagonye!
And you can always find the best value at Toyotathon! Toyotathon is on!
I always return the shopping cart to the proper place.
Hey uh show of hands:
How many people have actually worked at something like a homeless shelter, non profit assisting some kind of class or classes of disadvantaged individuals?
How many people here actually just give cash to homeless people when they ask for it, which is the most efficient and effective way to help them?
How many of you have actually given a homeless person a place to stay, or maybe just park their car, whatever, with conditions and time limits of course, but to try and actually give them some kind of stability, at least for a bit?
How many people have organized or joined a local union, tenants union, worked for a tenants rights organization, mutual aid group, etc?
How many of you even help out your neighbors with things from time to time, or even talk to them?
Help drive them to some doctor appointment or grocery trip, do a carpool?
Howabout supporting or organizing some kind of local co-op, that actually gives voting rights as to business decisions, to members, in some capacity?
Those, those are the kinds of things that you would be doing if you actually acted out the virtues of being a leftist.
I’ve unironically met slum lords who’ve done more praxis by at least offering people somewhere to live, little to no questions asked, for an affordable price, than most self-described leftists I encounter.
Please, please don’t ever mistake some kind of pristinely articulated, immaculate worldview, for actually doing anything useful in terms of being the change you want to see in the world.
I’ve unironically met slum lords who’ve done more praxis… than most self-described leftists I encounter.
This is wild to me, bc I’ve never met a leftist who doesn’t do several of the things you listed. Where are you encountering these self-described leftists? How do you know that they aren’t doing praxis?
Mostly Seattle.
How do I know?
They were my friends, and their friends of my friends, untill they started giving me shit for… actually doing something like half the things I listed out above.
They were more interested in their IG profiles and Twitter reputations, whole lot of rainbow flavored idpol.
I was being ‘unrealistic’ and ‘ridiculous’ by actually doing things. I’d ask what they were doing, and well that question was rude, actually.
See, anybody can call themselves a leftist, make all the mouth noises, use it as a way to be smug and superior, and just… not actually be one.
I’m not saying ‘all leftists are fake untill they personally prove otherwise to me.’
That indeed would be a rather silly standard.
Thats why I asked … questions, and didn’t make much of a statement beyond the actual point of this original post; your values are exemplified bynwhat you do, talk is cheap.
Maybe I’ve just had a bad run of fake friends comapred to most?
My personal experience isn’t exactly a statistically valid unbiased survey, but it is my experience.
Anecdotally but you’re not wrong. Everyone talks a talk not many do. That’s irrespective of political beliefs.
Yep, completely correct.
Another way you could phrase the same idea is:
There does not exist a philosophy or worldview that one can simply profess to adhere to, which makes one de facto immune to being a hypocrite.
Or maybe, more succinctly:
You are not immune to performative virtue signalling.
As someone who has reached various stages of self-congruence in their life (most recently this month) more people would benefit from understanding that deep down we are all hypocrits in some way or another. That does not make us bad people, but ignoring it prevents us from growing.
Thats a very good way of looking at it.
‘You’ are not a model kit, that is just, fully assembled at some point, with the right modules, no room left for improvement.
‘You’ are a process, a river that flows, a path that is walked.
I’m one of those leftists. Or rather socialists if we are going to get theoretical about it.
I am here to tell you that you are wrong. Socialists and liberals even share values. Where we break is not on indiviual morality. It is on principles of universial equality. But most importantly socialists see structural causes for inequality. And collective action as the only way out of it.
While worldview have a tendency to govern individual action, so does socio-economic situation and background and a lot of lesser factors.
Ideology or even organisation doesn’t make individuals act less shitty, hopefully esducation does.
Most people dont have consistent morals that they live to. For most people they just do whats moral most of the time and thats good enough for them. There is a serious lack of self awareness in reading this post and thinking it applies to you.
this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
Tsk tsks, politicking on a meme sub for shame. Anyway leftists on this site are a joke. Half the “leftists” on this site say they want socialism and then go on to describe 1:1 the current liberal society that they live in. The other half are indistinguishable from neo nazi’s. Reminder that while Liberals were defeating fascism in WW2 leftists joined them.
You mean the guys selling weapons to Nazis until they realised the communists were winning?
Before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. was officially neutral but provided significant support to allies, particularly through the Lend-Lease program, which aided countries like Britain and China. The U.S. also imposed trade restrictions on Japan and increased military preparedness as tensions escalated globally.
Well there is a certain point where most people’s morals are going to fail. What sets people apart is where that point is.
