And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
‘blood red’ Kentucky has one of the highest dependencies in federal programs in the country.
It’s home to a large military base and two of the nation’s twelve federal prisons.
Besides, if we’re being critically all-inclusive in the beneficiary of federal programs, the two biggest winners have been Silicon Valley, California and Lower Manhattan, NYC, with bright-blue
LangleyArlington, Virginia and Boeing HQ / Secondary Financial Capital Chicago, IL running close behind. The $22B Kentucky’s economy sees pales behind our Pentagon spending, our international shipping, and our multi-trillion dollar trade in US Treasuries.also, Mitch is just an awful “human”.
Like so many other powerful Senators, McConnell’s real power flows through his wife’s billionaire family. Her family ties to the lucrative Taiwanese shipping magnet, the Foremost Group, has made her husband’s support for US operations in the South Pacific pivotal to both their family fortune and American geopolitical dominance.
McConnell is actually a military transplant from Alabama, with family tied into the Redstone Arsenal and its attendant social circle. He’s been a political chameleon for most of his adult life, slipping seamlessly between Democrat and Republican circles through the Clinton and Bush Eras. He dumped his lefty-liberal activist Sherrill Redmon the same year Ronald Reagan won the presidency, then matched with his current anti-communist beau through Ambassador to Nepal under Bush 41, Julia Chang Bloch.
So much of Mitch’s position and policy have been directed by this political marriage. It’s got virtually nothing to do with the political character of Kentucky voters.
California has MediCal. It’s a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
If they brought it about then yes, they do.
Did they bring it about? I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
Did they bring it about?
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
What Bloomberg campaign?
They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue.
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
What Bloomberg campaign?
He’s the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
Financing and campaigning are two different things, though there’s an obvious link.
Did they bring it about?
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
It’s allowing natural consequences to occur.
This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”.
I’m sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.
So every person in the US deserves no health care and to die penniless, regardless of how they voted? That is what you are basically saying.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
I would approve. The government shutdown was serving my interests.
Some people rely on SNAP.
And if it never comes back, they will need to find alternative means of acquiring food. Maybe their state decides to go “fuck it” and replaces SNAP outright despite what the feds say. Or maybe there’s a grassroots movement that creates a new SNAP.
The important thing is, the longer the shutdown goes on, the less people will depend on the Trump regime to satisfy their needs.
Don’t see a lot of libertarian arguments around here.
Four upvotes on Lemmy for a right-wing “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” political position. Incredible.
I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.
Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.
Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.
What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.
Republicans were not going to cave on the issue
There’s no way of knowing that. Some Republicans were starting to get whiny and jittery. But the Dems blinked first and saved the Republicans’ bacon.
And there’s no way for us to know if democrats were on the verge of over playing their hand. I would bet the party had internal polling that told them it was the right time to end the shutdown.
It’s also worth noting that many of the democrats that wanted to cave also cared about the people being harmed by the shutdown. Real people.
People on here do not care because, just like that other commenter, the shutdown served their best interests, so who cares. Well there are congress people that do care.
Sound like all my Republican friends.
So your friends are Republicans and you think the Dems did the right thing backing down on healthcare subsidies? Sounds like you are your Republican friends bud
It serves my interests so we should do that. That’s some Republican ass mentality.
You’re either lost or misinterpreted the comment, or don’t understand what the shutdown was about.
Nah, my Republican friends are selfish and would say something like “it serves my best interest” so we should keep doing that.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted the shutdown to continue so we could continue to have affordable healthcare, we wanted it for everyone, the wording above is throwing you because it’s one person saying that the shutdown was something that could have benefitted them, but it’s not a matter of selfishness, it’s literally a broad, life-saving program. (The ACA tax subsidies.)
If you were against the shuttdown… well it must be nice to afford premium healthcare or be on someone else’s policy.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted
You must be turned around cause that’s not the words the user wrote. If it was, I wouldn’t have written my comment.
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.
Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California). I heavily dispute your statement.
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
You sound exactly like them eh.
You sound exactly like the type that would rather attack people than look for common ground or understanding. Peace.
well then if it’s hurting the right people
If they don’t understand why, then their suffering will just embolden their anti Democrat beleifs though.
I’m sure Schumer’s brow is extra furrowed today.
Glasses just dangling off the tip of his nose.
I wouldn’t worry about Chuck S.'s glasses running out of nose length.
That’s awfully antisemenetic of you
me thinks it was about him being a liar tho.
methinks the long. hooked nose is anti-Semitic stereotype.
pinocchio, yo. dude was a puppet from italy.
I’m aware. I think you guys misread what I said though
dang i need better glasses
It’s OK. Stoned jokes are hit or miss and sobriety says this one was a miss
Schumer didn’t vote to end the shut down.
Goddamn, misinformation is fucking rampant here. You guys don’t even remotely care about the truth, do you? You just want everything to confirm your biases.
If Schumer doesn’t want to be blamed for the Democrats caving then he shouldn’t be minority leader.
I wish those glasses could get embedded in his skull in multiple jagged pieces.
Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!
GOOD thing the Democrats SHUT DOWN the Government for This!
Don’t worry, they’ll get another chance to do it again in January.
This time it’ll be different, I bet!
Look look look, we just gotta keep taking the moral high road and meeting them in the middle. Eventually they’ll help us out. They can’t keep pulling the football like Lucy with Charlie Brown EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Actually they ended the shut down for this.
NOT true! They COULD have Ended the Shutdown BEFORE the 40 Days and had the EXACT SAME outcome! But they CHOSE to Shut Down the Government INSTEAD!
These are some of the most horrible people in our society. They should be unable to enter into any contract or have custody over any living being.
They should all be shot
Its a condition. Kids are being born everyday who lack empathy. They are a clear minority though. They should be identified and prevented from letting their emotional blindness harming others.
Who will people blame when they cannot afford medical care?
Cause Luigi is a folk hero, and all the people responsible for this should live in fear of the bullseye’s they have painted themselves with.
Storm brewing.
Biden.
Luigi is a conservative that promotes people and policies that prevent universal healthcare.
Him being a “folk hero” just proves how stupid people in this country can be.
So they kept their promise and held a vote? Amazing!
Hey republicans, when your grandparents die because they can no longer afford the healthcare they thought they had for life, just remember to thank yourself and your lard in savor…. These deaths that will follow from people losing their insurance will be on your hands whether you think so or not. Merry Grimas!!!
They don’t care, they are voting for racism. Ig grandma might die in order to keep a black man out of the whitehouse, then that’s a risk they are willing to take.
These people suck, and have no shame.
Hey that’s just the universe correcting itself. Less boomer voters means less republican voters.
With Gen Z turning Right Wing, it may not be enough
Yep. I’ve been seeing a lot of shit-stirring between generations probably mostly spurred on by the oligarchs and their apparatchiks.
I doubt that is an accident: keep everyone distracted. Have the boomers bitching about Gen Y. Have Gen Z whining about Silent Generation (“Biden so old”). Another wedge issue to fight over and distract with while the oligarchs funnel more money upwards. Just like they use race and trans, they’ll have young vs. old. Micro-generational differences (Gen Y1 vs. Gen Y2!) being agonized over. People seriously believing a teenager working in a dead-end service job giving you an exasperated stare is unique to Gen Z (lol) and other such inanities. Anything to have everyone take their eye off the ball…
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
If I went back to the 90’s and told people that Silicon Valley Tech Billionaires and Donald J. Trump controlled the nation, that they’d think the Democrats were in power.
LOL, if only. Also, remember, this is the boomers. The generation that the old fart cons that came before would point at and whine about when it came to all their rhetoric about “the 60s”.
There is lesson there. If only people might ponder on it…
It must be frustrating to be caught between two parties, of which one is straight up evil, and the other is just spineless and craven, while both are corrupt. Honestly, y’all should just break it all down and start all over again. Your democracy is broken.
BoTh SidEs
One has a felon pedophile as president, they must be the same.
Like I said, one is straight up evil. Although, don’t think for a second there are no pedophiles on the other side. That would just be naive.
You’re right. LOSING to a known rapist is even worse.
I swear they play a game of chicken with the voters every fucking election. How shitty can they get away with being and still win the election. Well they openly snubbed their base and lost.
The establishment Democrats really are just controlled opposition. They’d rather throw an election than move to the left.
Go ahead explain how “shitty” Harris was, essentially a younger Biden, someone you had no problem voting for just 4 years prior.
Let’s hear it. Let’s hear, specifically, why you think she would be worse than Trump. I’m so sick of people acting like Harris was the only one in the election. Voting or refusing to vote to “punish” a party is childish and obviously counterproductive. It makes it clear that your so dearly held beliefs are nothing more than props.
Biden is a pile of shit and I hated voting for him.
Yeah, not sure why they assume I had “no problem” voting for Biden. I did so rather begrudgingly.
They are making rather ridiculous assumptions in their comment. No one is talking specifically about Harris other than them.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit. Republicans continue to lower the bar and the democrats follow them while leaving just enough space to be considered different, but what we end up with is a continual decline regardless.
Republicans being worse is no excuse for democrats being dog shit.
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for giving Republicans a free pass like this. What a stupid fucking attitude. Way to make it plain that all of the issues you claim to care about don’t matter to you at all. Kids are getting ripped out of grade school and sent across the county, put into ICE detention and deported to fuck knows where. You try to take the moral high ground, like you care about the people now suffering? No. Absolutely not. You spit directly in the face of those people just so you could “stick it to the man” like a high school freshman. Pathetic. And you think Harris was that much WORSE than this?
You acted like there was only one person in the race,. The choice is which side you think better benefits your views. Do you understand? Anything less means you don’t care about those views. You DO NOT get to claim you care about those issues when you ACTIVELY make their situations significantly worse. It is just fucking beyond stupid and irresponsible to equate a serious and capable politician with a con man, carnival barker, convicted felon pedophile. THAT is what you helped bring to power. You’re a Trump supporter. You don’t get to pretend that reality isn’t the way it is.
Did you defeat the two party system, champ? No, you didn’t. Good job.
There is no logical way to argue that Trump and his psychotic policies and sheer incompetence is in any way comparable, let alone BETTER THAN Harris. It’s non-sensical bullshit. You fucking selfish assholes spend all your time in echo chambers doing things like bemoaning “Biden’s crime bill” while being sure to NEVER mention that Sanders voted for that same bill. That doesn’t jive with your propaganda though, does it? I believe I also heard Sanders make positive comments about Trump’s immigration policy, isn’t it funny how that never comes up in your echo chambers? You’re not interested in truth, you don’t care about Bernie Sanders. You don’t care about what Bernie Sanders stands for.
Guess who Sanders told you vote for? Guess who has never claimed he was “cheated”? Bernie Sanders has integrity and understands that some progress is ALWAYS better than drastic regression. You do not have integrity, you have no real beliefs, you’re in the liberal personality cult and you morons will be a stain on Bernie’s legacy. History will remember your dedication to him when you outright refused his voting suggestion. When you told him you’d rather have Trump because, somehow in your convoluted fucked-up mind, that signals loyalty to Bernie. It doesn’t. You stabbed Bernie in the back and set back progress on issues he cares about for decades if not worse. Amazing you agree with everything he says, EXCEPT THAT.
Not even a fucking SINGLE year in to Trump’s term and it is already an unmitigated disaster. You own a small amount of responsibility. I don’t. It’s not my fault for voting for the Democratic candidate. I didn’t make you sit out. YOU are the only one responsible for your decision. Now you want sit here and act like the Democrats “made you do it”? No, you made an incredibly stupid decision that you can’t even remotely justify. You threw a hissy fit because you didn’t get exactly what you wanted.
I don’t know how you can think I’m giving a free pass to republicans when right in the part you quoted I’m saying they’re worse than democrats. I skimmed the rest of your moralizing lecture and you’ve made a hilarious strawman that doesn’t represent me at all, but I hope you enjoyed your masturbation session, “champ”.
Got any oil?
Personally, I am so thankful that we are on the cusp of the extinction of the oil and gas industry.
The world deserves better than us.
Hey everyone, just buy TWO pencils for your kids. Having 37 pencils was obviously keeping you from being able to afford health care. THANKS, OBAMA!
Also, if you are not a billionaire or at least a centimillioniare, it is your fault! Too much avocado toast, having a daily latte, a large screen TV, a smart phone, and Netflix, I think.
They’re trying to exterminate us.
Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit
Schumer didn’t cave.
please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.
I strongly suspect we have a significant number of Dino sleepers in Congress. Either outright sleepers or close enough to simply be purchasable or blackmailable.
I strongly suggest you’re an idiot that chooses to believe things without proof because it “feels right”. The EXACT same logic as Trumpers.
Well look at that, a wild block appeared
So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?
What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.
Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.
Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.
But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.
Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.
Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick
He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.
He is the leader, but couldn’t or wouldn’t whip his party to hold the line, and defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
defended the perfidious weasels who caved.
Another fucking lie from the “virtuous far left”. He criticized their votes.
What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.
You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?
OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.
Ok do you’ve abandoned your original premise, proving you’re a lying sack of shit.
On the your next point, Schumer isn’t a fucking school principal dumbass, how is he going to “punish” them? What the fuck do you think a minority/majority leader does exactly?
Fake fucking progressives gloating about sinking Democrats and letting Trump run wild.
My premise is that he was responsible for the party he leads caving, hence why the ones who actually voted weren’t punished.
He can punish them be taking them off committee assignments. The most basic function of a political party is to be able to negotiate as a bloc.
The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?
If someone from the right had said this, you would think they’re irrational cultists just trying to support their cult. I used to think the left is the way to go, but after coming here, not so much.
To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.
Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.
I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.
The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.
You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.
You can focus on and fault the decision here, but the actual systemic failure is that a decision on the subsidies should have been finalized well ahead of the open enrollment start date, which was nearly six weeks ago on November 1st, 2025. The federal government has failed us (Republican controlled at this time so no surprise there) by waiting until there’s less than 4 days for American citizens to make a decision – the deadline is literally December 15th, 2025.
I’m shocked!
Also, fuck you congress repubs, and fuck you Schmucker.
Schumer didn’t cave. He didn’t vote to end the shutdown. Put the blame where it belongs.
He wanted to be the leader, and he was the leader of the ones who chose to end the shutdown. Either he orchestrated it or he has no control. Either way, fuck him
Word on the hill was he was trying to get people to vote for it, but didn’t want to put his name on it after all the backlash last time. No way to confirm this tho
Look at the people who voted to end the shutdown: no one who’s up for re-election this next cycle.
Either Schumer is one hell of a terrible leader, or there was a very obvious attempt at co-ordinating the vote to take advantage of voters’ (lack of) long term memory.
6 of the 8 are due in 2028, just a bit more than two years away. Senators serve a 6 year term. Voters would have to support a primary challenge, possible but difficult. It would have to be based entirely on their decision to fund the stopgap, which would be tough as they can give their reasoning as to how they thought they were helping constituents. Given the power of incumbency, I have serious doubt many of them were worried about being voted out a year later. You’re right about the memory of the voters, it is short and 12 months is a long time.
Schumer being a “leader” doesn’t mean he controls other Senators. That’s just not how it works. Senators are accountable to their constituency, not the informal leader of their party. These Senators did not consult with Schumer because they DIDN’T HAVE TO. They are federally elected Senators and can think and act according to their own logic.
In fact, demanding this kind of conformity or slavish adherence to a single leader is something you’d likely criticize if you saw it happening on the other side of the aisle.
He caved in exchange for a vote he knew would fail and logrolled the votes so that the I’ll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
Nuance is a lemmy antagonist. Just so you know.
Why don’t we just go ahead and call them the House of Lords.
