The officer apparently tried to tuck a gun into his pants instead of using a holster, failed, dropped the gun, and menaced bystanders in response to his own failure
People need to read up on the Kent State shootings in 1970. National Guards “men” shot and killed people singing songs. 4 murdered, 9 more shot, then days later at UNM 8 students were stabbed with bayonettes.
There was an investigation, the Guard lied about being under sniper fire, most of these brave heros admitted they were scared because of rocks. No one was held responsible for a massacre of unarmed Americans.
America has a 50 year old problem of cowards with guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings?wprov=sfla1
And we’re still talking about Kent State and UNM today as it had a serious affect on the country. But the sad part is, if something like this happened today, a third of Americans would blame the victims. Fox News would tell lies about what actually happened. And it would be swept under the rug and forgotten about by Christmas.
When it happened 80% of the country blamed the kids. We’re actually much better off today then we were back then in terms of public opinion and reactions.
Trump world also pardon any offenders if it made it to court.
The lesson from Kent State is no one in this country really gave a fuck.
America has. 250 year old problem of cowards with guns
Some of those shot weren’t even protesters, they were just random students walking to class who were completely uninvolved.
This kind of thing was way too common back then
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Just back then? This is my first time reading this particular excerpt, but the “Black Hitlers” part sticks out. Conservative America really has been doing the same shit forever, it seems. Calling them that is in the same family as saying, “Antifa are the real fascists,” etc. Just feed their target audience some shit to parrot that, to them, feels salient but really is meaningless except for redirecting blame and stoking fear and hatred.
Exactly. Paint their opponents with their own crimes in order to sow confusion and shift blame
Ah yes, the States. Where you have to be more scared of the police than of criminals.
I sure hope this doesn’t happen over here.
Not sure where here is, but police are the same everywhere.
Nah, they are worse in the states. Yes, there are bad cops here too, one randomly pulled a gun on one of my family members at a traffic stop, but the cops here are generally better than in the states.
Ah yes… a few of the third world countries are worse than USA… for now. Making America “Great”.
I feel like they’re worse some places than others.
I don’t know. I’ve never even seen a police officer here take their gun out of the holster, no even put a hand over it.
That’s really ignorant, police is not at all the same everywhere
Nope, that’s not true. The US is a special kind of hellscape.
There’s a new breed of you people, you’re the opposite of the rights bootlickers.
However, you are just as bad as the maga fuckwits, blind and irrational, spouting nonsense you think is correct and others agree with you.
You’ve probably never left the fucking states with comments like that.
Why so hostile mate? Let’s have a civil discussion.
It’s literally the South Park episode.
Where the fuck was he taught to tuck his gun in his belt like this? Fucking hastily trained amateurs.
Trained? Don’t they just apply, given a gun, mask, and pointed towards a brown person?
Nah, it’s not the police. These imbeciles probably bring their own guns, which is why this one dropped his.
Fucking meatheads.
This was a reference to a South Park episode btw. Worth a watch if you enjoy laughing.
Well, you see, I got a nut
The bullets fell out of his gun, too, and he didn’t notice them on the ground the whole time he was walking around even when he stepped on them. And I don’t think he put one in the chamber before the whole debacle got underway. If shit had gone sideways and he’d pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened, I think.
I thought maybe one of the spare magazines fell out of his vest, but it looks like he has 3 before and 3 after. I think he was unarmed that whole time.
You can see the magazine in his hand and if you look at the right moment the pistol has no magazine in it.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t one in the chamber.
Definitely. I do think though that in his imagined scenario where there was a threat of serious bodily harm from the crowd, that “BANG click click click click” event would have been about the worst possible thing that could have happened.
I mean the whole thing was imaginary. No one in the crowd was planning to do anything other than yell at him, and he pulled the gun out just from fear. I’m just kind of highlighting an additional angle of his lack of any competency. It was only the fact that no one was trying to hurt him that kept him safe, he pretty much did everything possible to put himself in additional danger.
Edit: Oh, directing random cars to drive around a few feet away from this volatile situation was just another element of incredibly dangerous stupidity. I feel like probably he just did it because he wanted to reestablish some kind of control, to give some instructions to somebody since none of the ones he was giving were being followed and that wasn’t how he thought it was supposed to happen because he’s Billy Badass and he’s supposed to be in charge.
He also jams his gun into his pants and then immediately shoves the hand of the guy they’re restraining into the same spot.
I’m no gun expert, but that seems like a bad idea.
Agreed, but still not likely. Whatever the case is, this person has no clue how to handle firearms safely in any way shape, or form.
Most modern pistols won’t fire if the magazine is ejected. Although not something one wants to figure out in the heat of the moment.
Looks pretty loaded to me, mate. He had a second magazine in his hand while he was trying to detain.
You are right, during the struggle it looked like there was no magazine for me. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the correction. Still kind of fucked up how he handled his firearm though.
Even worse: When that gun was tucked in his belt like this, it doesn’t take much for the trigger to be accidentally pulled by a crease of his clothing or gear he’s carrying, resulting in him shooting himself in the pelvis. Also, had the suspect actually been violent there would have been a risk of him grabbing it. It was right there within easy reach.
Even worse
shooting himself in the pelvis
Is that worse though?
The victim was very close to grabbing it after it fell out of the incompetent agent’s belt. I have to assume that’s what this quote is all about.
In a genuinely shocking development, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin issued a statement Friday which said “The officer’s conduct in this video is unacceptable and beneath the men and women of ICE. Our ICE law enforcement are held to the highest professional standards and this officer is being relieved of current duties as we conduct a full investigation.”
pelvis
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
He went for the “shoot my dick off”, appendix carry. He went for his CCW holster, and it wasn’t there.
It ended up being more like the Calvin Klein holster
If only it was a p320… 😭
That took me a second, lmao. GIT OFF MY RANGE.
they got all the ‘training’ they need:
“I have to protect my people.”
not you. not ‘them’. just ‘my people’.
ICE is directed by jan 6 insurrectionists
Looks cool in movies. Probably aims his gun sideways, yo.
He had a nut to pay for
I stayed just outside of DC a couple weeks ago. I went into a run-down Dunkin and it was operated entirely in Spanish aside from the cashier knowing just enough English to take orders from people who aren’t fluent in Spanish. I knew enough Spanish to be able to get my order when it was called. As I was leaving, a cop came in and started counting every brown person there. He made a big show of it, too, and people started panicking.
I honestly didn’t know what to do in that situation. I was hungover as hell, broke, and had to drive 5 hours to get home so I could wake up for work the next day. I decided to just hang out and make sure the cop knew that I was watching him. I had my phone out and ready to record if more serious shit started happening. After a few minutes, the cop went back outside to his squad car and I pretended like I totally just happened to be leaving at the same time. When I blatantly eavesdropped on the cop and his buddy in the squad car outside, I heard them laughing about the whole thing. Apparently terroizing immigrants and their families is a fucking game to those bastards.
The patrons of the place cleared out immediately after the cops were gone. I stayed parked at that Dunkin for a good half an hour after everyone who could leave did and nothing else happened.
I have no idea if I should have done something more in that situation. I wanted to tell the cop to get the fuck out of there. I wanted to say some witty shit like “Oh man, I didn’t order ice with my coffee.”
I kinda freaked out internally when I realized what was happening but I couldn’t bring myself to just leave despite my instincts telling me to. So I just made my presence and opposition to the cop known in a way that couldn’t (legally) get me arrested and hoped for the best.
Perhaps you could have done more, but you did something, and that matters in my books
I drive a school bus for a semi rural city in Arkansas. A large portion of the kids that ride my bus are Hispanic. I have had nightmares about this shit since the election.
I’m a white blonde blue eye cishet man and I’m still being hit by the unabashed cruelty and evil. I just want to get off.
Oh god that’s terrifying. Like what are you supposed to do as a driver in that situation? Like if ice raids your bus at goddamn red light or some shit?
I don’t know. I want to believe I’ll fight in the moment but I don’t know what I’d do.
Does the district you work for not have any plans for that shit? You’d think they would…
Nope. There was some vague emails at the beginning of the administration about how they don’t approve of ICE going to schools and wouldn’t work with them but that hasn’t happened yet (thankfully) and there’s not really been anything else.
But we had an email basically pre warning us not to say anything bad about kirks murder on social media, so that was fun.
Damn. You’d think they’d have a plan for ICE raids…
And that’s fucking infuriating that they take Kirk more seriously than ICE raids… Guess they have a “Fuck them kids” mentality. I’m not a parent and don’t ever plan to be, but shit like this makes me so mad. Kids should be able to be kids and not live in fear. There’s going to be generations of people who didn’t have childhoods who will enter adulthood already jaded as hell. It’s so sad.
Most cops are sadists or ok with other cops being sadists. The ones that aren’t don’t last long in that environment before they quit or get training accidented.
Fuck ICE. Nazi bastards.
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I was trying to do a wry joke. 😁
Haha ok :)
I think they’re pre-emptively explaining to the jury in case the gov found it and they end up in court.
I’ve seen drunk teenagers more eloquent and confident than this guy.
I mean it isn’t like they’re exactly hiring qualified individuals.
You have to be american to become a ICE agent
Great job America. Should make judgement day a piece of cake for God.
Grow up. There is no god, but if there was then it’s to blame for every bit of this.
An ICE agent pointing a gun at someone like this deserves to be fired. He basically doubled down on his own incompetency.
Problem is, who is the officer? No name, no badge number, unmarked car…
This is how the riots start. Sooner or later one of these untrained ice agents will shoot a civilian because he is scared. Somebody in that crowd will shoot back…and then it begins.
They do seem to forget how the Boston massacre started, don’t they?
Or one of the bystanders pulls theirs out in response to the threat
“The shot heard 'round the world”, or something…
grabs popcorn
As an American, i just wanted to say fuck you.
A lot of good people are going to die. Your supposed entertainment here will be mostly poor people, and those who feel they can’t stand by while evil people oppress them.
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To clarify, I do not enjoy this either, but its more of a comment about the state of affairs. The fact that we’ve become so desensitized that everything feels unreal/surreal, the events feel almost as if it were a movie. Hence “popcorn”. Its a sarcastic comment, not to be taken seriously. Its like how people laughs when something bad is about to happen, its nervous-laughter, a response to trauma. Sorry if you interpreted this comment this wrong way.
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I’m also American, but I’m not white and I wasn’t born here in the US, I cannot afford to intervene. I’m also being persecuted by my previous country, and I can’t really put myself on the radar for two governments to come after me and my family/relatives, some of which aren’t citizens yet, so I’m bit of in a “Snowden” type situation, sorry, but I can’t do much. I’m afraid to go outside because xenophobes would tell me to “go home”.
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Forget fired, they should face criminal charges as anyone else would if they pointed a gun on someone without a reason.
*deserves to be shot. Like all gestapo.
That would get him shot in my state. This guy wasn’t masked, but if they are masked they can be considered criminals, a criminal pointing a gun at you is 100% self defense if you shoot him. It would never go to court.
No badge is about the same, but not as blatant/clear cut. You can say you thought he was a criminal, but the issue would need to go to court. In the end he pointed his gun at bystanders so shooting at him would likely be self defense … but how fair would the system be?
So what you are saying is they are going to promote them?
That ICE Agent gots management written all over them.
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You know, where I’m at, that is a chargeable offense.
That guy is so double-dumb, as majority modern pistols won’t fire without a magazine even if they have a round in the chamber as an idiot-protection feature. Case-in-point. I suppose. Also LOL even calling them agents. Joke faux lol shits is a better name and I spent 1ms thinking up that name. Assclowns would be a better name. Traitors, treasonists, fascists, better yet.
It’s hardly a majority. Very few have a mag safety, and those that do often have it removed by their owners because it makes the weapon annoying to function check safely.
He should have been taken down by a good guy with a gun immediately - pointing a gun at someone is a felony, and these brown coats have no training or accountability.
They’re being called Brown Coats? Malcom Reynolds would be furious to learn this.
I love the Firefly reference, but I think they meant the brownshirts: Braunhemden)
I did! My bad, got firefly mixed up with brown shirts.
Either one is too kind a term. I call them dipshits, cowards, nazis, incels, mall cop bitches.
The Sturmabteilung (colloquially “Braunhemden”) were literally the paramilitary nazi force. Calling them brownshirts is equivalent to calling them Nazis.
I dont think calling them nazis actually bothers them.
I’m just pointing out that “brownshirt is too nice, I’ll call them nazis” is redundant because brownshirts are Nazis.
Why are we not calling them, “red hats?”
Red Hats are the rank & file idiots, and also his Insurrectionists.
ICE is a whole other level. Think Brown Shirts vs Gestapo
Because they don’t wear them. They’re all in Tacticool™ camo.
Most responsible gun owners understand why shooting this guy in this moment would be a huge mistake and are devoting an outsized chunk of their patience to tolerating the people demanding to know where was the good guy with a gun was.
If you think I’m genuinely suggesting “a good guy” start a fire fight perhaps I need to be less ambiguous.
I was being hyperbolic - I think ICE is Nazi scum and deserves to die, but I understand that this man being shot in the moment is not the answer.
I just wish it were - he catches a round for his Nazi scumbaggery (and all his friends too), and then everyone just moves on like nothing of value was lost, because it wasn’t.
Reminds me of that serial killer in China who targeted cops in their own homes. They never caught him. I hope that doesn’t start happening here. Wouldn’t that be terrible?
ICE are going to have to wear those bacon burkas for the rest of their lives. It’s their new skin. All for a bonus and a down-payment on a McMansion that they’re going to default on in 5 years.
Alright then, I understand what you mean. And tbh I tend to agree on an emotional level. It’s just that “He should have been taken down by a good guy with a gun immediately” doesn’t exactly communicate that nuance, ya know?
More than fair, I’ll try to be clearer in the future when engaging in hyperbole.
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You do that and you’ll be labeled as a common leftist violent thug and used as an excuse to shoot anyone who objects.
Just saying. You’re going to need to plan a few more steps ahead.
There are no good guys with guns in Maryland, the state restricted that right away from most citizens.
Those guys are fuckin trash at their job, my god.
Well yeah, they took a job to basically run around and terrorize immigrants all day like its cowboys and indians. Can’t imagine that attracts a very high caliber individual, and the administration sure as hell isn’t turning anyone away.
They earn twice as much as you do
Probably not, I’m at almost $200K a year. That is irrelevant to their lack of abilities to detain a single man.
The gun fumble omfg, guy being kidnapped very nearly grabbed it. Then it takes 8 minutes for 4 guys to put on handcuffs and get out of the intersection!?! Reckless, untrained and dangerous for everyone around them.
Drops his own gun next to the hand of the guy he’s arresting, then hastily picks it up to point it at the people recording him. Incredible.
Holy fuck
It’s worth watching in the video. The incompetence is a sight to behold.
The jacked-up idiot drops his gun at about 57 seconds in. Then the man he’s holding down bats it five feet away and the clown dives after it.
Such a hero
Glad we’re paying a good chunk of our salries to give these dopes 100k a year
I kept waiting for his glasses to fall off.
Lmao. The glasses really sent me.
Somehow this is real life.
I’m wondering if they were on the top of his head and they fell down off-frame to the granny look? I can’t remember where they were before butterfingers dropped his gun.
Yeah, they were up on top of his head. I was waiting for them to go before the fumble.
who decided to make Lahey an ICE agent? Where’s Randy?
Why does this look like Christopher Lloyd in a comedy sketch?
More like Paul Blart.
Is that Anthony Fantano?!
The specificity of this really made me laugh
It looks just like him!
Not only that but dumbass drops his entire mag! He needs to be fired! ___
Fucking brownshirt losers.
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You can see he’s panicked. If he shot anybody it would have been justified because he was, in fact, scared. Bad training keeps cops out of prison.
The IDF hasn’t trained them yet, they’ve been busy.
