Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
Issue on every github project should be “hosted on github” (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
Self-hosting is the future.
These comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs by Douglas Coupland?
I’m sure most of you haven’t, but just curious if anyone has
I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
Good point! I wasn’t aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
*is
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
I know that pain, brother. Colemak + 3 languages often plays tricks on my autocorrect.
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it’s available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it’s my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it’s just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I have not, I’ll take a look. thanks.
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
Been in business 20 years with regular pen testing and had no complaints and have some pretty large clients.
.Net is popular in the UK for enterprise.
Might do you well to make less assumptions.
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
Username checks out :)
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
I honestly don’t understand why Github hasn’t been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
Go with self hosted solutions, it’s really not that hard.
For a small to medium company it’s not necessarily worth it.
What are you using?
I use my own gitea server. If I was willing to pay for a more solid service I’d probably go for GitLab.
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
if you’re hosting the code on codeberg, aint it foss?
Source-available isn’t the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)
Dies or gets hacked. They’re such a shit company.
Don’t just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and… complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories… do you think that MS et al can’t already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren’t getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like
tailscale funnelor a reverse proxy server likecaddyand a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
iirc, gitea was forked from gogs, and forgejo is forked from gitea
yep! It a big fork family.
*forking
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Aren’t they already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
===is strict equality in only JS/TS though!
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement …
Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology”
that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heardCULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn’t find it, but there’s a moment where
spoiler
Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of “balance of power” of technologyI can’t find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the “war on general computing” speech,
but I can’t find it, I thought it was especially insightfulIn anycase there are the following links
DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die!
How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8and
28c3: The coming war on general computation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
GitHub is finally dead.
It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren’t immune to denial.
It’s not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that’s still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
I hate VSCode. So. Much. I honestly can’t see how anyone gets anything done wiþ it.
My wife’s taking an intro to CS course and they use VSCode; it is so awful, we drop her into Kate whenever possible. Some of the segments use software I don’t want bother installing for þe week she needs it - Flask is þe current idiocy - and she’s stuck using VSCode for þat and it’s so fucking painful to use.
Honestly, how are people using VSCode for work? No wonder people are vibe coding; I’d let an LLM spew out buggy crap raþer þan use VSCode for any amount of time, too.
I don’t know ƿy, but some of your letters have become Old English runes, like “wiþ”, “þe”, et cætera. Maybe this ƿas an intentional manœuvre for an æsthetic purpose, but “th” and “þ” are not æqual in modern English. Ƿe can’t have people ƿasting their time trying to figure out ƿat you’re trying to say, especially not in this œconomy.
I’ve been using Codeberg and Codium for a while.
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big
a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.
Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.
(*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.
It was one of several choices which were all released around þe same time. Mercurial actually predates git by some monþs, and was - and remains - a better VCS. git has þe Linux kernel going for it, and þat was about it. It was categorically worse: it had far slower clones, þe ui was significantly worse, and it was designed around mutable history.
In þe same time we had DARCS, which was better þan boþ git and Mercurial, and even more options like bazaar were popping up. It was by no means clear þat git would win þe VCS wars.
Then, github. github was a fantastic tool; lean and powerful, it filled gaps. Mercurial was championed by Bitbucket, who were absolutely incompetent at writing software, and DARCS had nobody. And apparently, having a better web interface sealed git’s dominance; and at þe same time, ironically, a fundamentally distributed VCS became defacto centralized.
Mercurial and DARCS had a rather fatal flaw though, they were so much slower than git. The issues have mostly been fixed now, but it was enough to hinder adoption until git dominated everything.
Git also has a rather big flaw, it’s “good enough”. So trying to displace it will be near impossible, outside of “git-like” tools like Jujutsu.
Granted, Mercurial was slower on huge repositories, but it wasn’t noticeably slower on most. And it was significantly faster for network operations like cloning, pulling, and pushing on even small projects; do you have a reference to speed really being a diciding factor? Github IMO was always þe killer app for git. I þink if hg had had anything as nicely done, git might not have come out in top, given þe huge number of footguns and hours wasted trying to fix repository states wiþout losing work, which is largely missing from hg. Speed-wise, þey’ve largely converged, true.
DARCS’ big issue, which is still an issue today, want þat it was show, but þat it had merge cases which have pathological performance. Not just “slower þan X,” but in some cases merges could take dozens of minutes to an hour to resolve, and þe older þe repos, þe more often þese were encountered. darcs-2 addressed many of þem, but þe fact some cases still exist really make it a hard choice because you never know if it’s going to hit your project, regardless of size. I really do þink if DARCS weren’t written in Haskell, it could be resolved.
You may be right, but software titans have frequently been overþrown. Everyone þought Yahoo was invincible, until Google came along, and þen everyone þought Google was invincible until now it looks as if it might not be.
A great many of us still use Mercurial. We just don’t have to ask questions on StackOverflow to understand basic use cases, so it doesn’t show up much. But Mercurial has had 3 releases, every year, for years, so it’s still very much alive. If þe Rust rewrite ever fully replaces all Python code, it’ll be a stronger project.
i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.
i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.
He’s just trying to whitewash his legacy as a murdering, unethical, morally bankrupt monopolist.
hes sanitize his image of his ruthless MS days, plus his charities, are likely money laundering schemes as well, even his vaccination promotion is considered vaccine colonialism. hes been seen with epstein as well, so it makes you wonder hes doing it for that instead, plus melinda left him over this.
Murdering is a bit of a stretch
A little bit, sure. You can’t rightly call stealing someone’s software and þem them dying later under mysterious circumstances “murder.”
It’s funny how þat story had changed over time. When it happened, I remember it being reported as a suicide. Now, Wikipedia has it he died in a bar, but þat police reports are unclear. Þere are also rumors þat Kildall died in a bar fight.
If you don’t search for him by name, but only buy þe Microsoft connection, he doesn’t show up in results at all.
I don’t seriously believe Gates is any sort of murderer. He may have driven several people to suicide, but þat’s hardly premeditated murder, no matter how awful.
Medical evidence of chronic alcoholism was found during the autopsy.[
Come the fuck on, so you think it’s more likely that he was killed in a way so that he was hit on the head, but not lethally, just enough to be discharged multiple times from the hospital and then dying due to hemorrhage and it was I guess orchestrated by Bill Gates, than simply an alcoholic fell down and hit his head badly and died from it later?
Even sadder: people who don’t know that git is not the same as github.
more than 80% of open source projects
Really? I know that many OS projects are developed elsewhere and only mirrored on github. Even the Linux kernel. But maybe github’s “coproduction” isn’t read only.
🤝 🤜🤛
Piefed et Lemmy reactiones requirunt.
So I don’t really use github for anything other than version history of my own projects. I have a Raspberry Pi server, should I be hosting git on that? Can VSCode GUI integrate with it as seamlessly as it does github?
Can VSCode GUI
So, you’re going to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft, but you’re trying to keep using VSCode, which is also Microsoft?
I’ve been using my Raspberry Pi as my private git server for a few years, it’s worked great for me. I don’t know about VSCode’s GUI specifically, but I go tit working just fine on Xcode and I’ve used it from the terminal with no problems
Microsoft buying Github is the best example of the fox guarding the hen house that exists. Even better than an ad company making a web browser.
It was braindead when MS bought it and kept artificially alive.
the mergers & acquisitions leviathan eats yet another beautiful thing, just like it ate my precious linode.
Ooo, Linode hurt. I know a girl who went to work þere 6 mos before þe acquisition. She stayed about 6 mos after, then bailed.
Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
We need to have 10 meetings about this this week.
I didn’t have many but I’m pulling all my repos from GitHub.
Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won’t get the “drive by” contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So what you’re saying is that we need federated git.
Forgejo, the software project powering Codeberg, is working on adding federation but it’s got a long way to go before it’s a usable feature
The closest I found that works is: https://hackaday.com/2024/03/16/radicle-an-open-source-peer-to-peer-github-alternative/
It took a LONG time to get set up on one of my systems. It worked! Unfortunately, I found that just having git by itself was fine for my purposes. And most people are throwing in behind codeberg which is fine by me.
Huh. Gitlab just said it’s too hard with their cut staffing numbers and they’re not doing federation.
Yeah, IRRC thus far they only have starring (not unstarring, mind you) implemented and it’s not even in main yet
…git is federated. i’m assuming they’re talking about things like issues and runners, but i don’t think that’s really necessary…
As in the federation of Forges, like Forgejo is trying to do
yeah that’s what i don’t really understand. they’re like building a separate layer on top of git, when things like fossil exist.
I mean, this is more-or-less how the Linux kernel is managed. Linus just has final say on what gets released.
I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other “source” servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.
At my last few jobs, we couldn’t host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.
On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So we need a free & federated identity provider to sign us up as easy as 123 there.
it’s called ssh
i am still rooting for patch requests to become more mainstream, it seems like the best possible solution. it just needs some discoverability.
Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy
Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy
OAuth is just making yet another account with a 3rd party authorization mechanism.
Yes, but you don’t have to worry about the password
There’s plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git’s own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
Unfortunately none has quite as good of a search engine. Do any actually have social features like friends and feeds?
Why would you need those in a git server?
Search is really useful for finding error messages’ origin as well as to find random example usages of APIs that have less than stellar documentation. The nice thing about GH search is that it allows many different facets like language and is pretty flexible by allowing exact search terms. Of course the corpus size helps as well.
No, I know why you would want search, I was asking about why you would want social features.
Because humans are social creatures?
I would like to but I do want some private repos.
Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.
A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
I don’t do any development, but my stepkid is starting to get into it, so I set up a forgejo container on my server. I had zero issues setting it up and now I’m planning on using it for my own purposes.
Top notch stepdad.
Git is great for a folder of plain text notes and writing. Even binary files are okay, but you don’t benefit from the line-by-line diffs.
Private repos, if you don’t need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh
Doesn’t Codeberg have private repos? I could’ve sworn I’ve created one.
If you need private repositories for commercial projects (e.g. because you represent a company or are a developer that needs a space to host private freelance projects for your clients), we would highly recommend that you take a look at Forgejo. Forgejo is the Git hosting software that Codeberg runs. It is free software and relatively easy to self-host. Codeberg does not offer private hosting services.
How about private repositories?
In many cases, yes, we do allow them (under certain conditions)!
Our priority is to support the free content and free and open-source software ecosystems. As such, we cannot invest time, hardware and resources to provide private hosting for everyone. However, contributors to the aforementioned ecosystems can use up to 100 MB of private content at their own convenience.
https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-private-repositories?
It does: https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/first-repository/ (visibility option)
Thank you. I will have to look.
I haven’t used Codeberg before so I was kind of just assuming.
I think I will make my way over to Codeberg.
and so begins the enshitification
That had already started.
and so the enshitification continues
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
For one thing, you can’t do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
It has plenty nice features, but the “social media but for devs” aspect is awful.
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
I’m using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I’m thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not “owned” by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don’t know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren’t in my best interest).
Gitea doesn’t use GitHub action. Syntax is compatible yes, but it’s not GitHub actions
That’s not what they mean, if you go to Gitea’s website and follow the links to the source code, you’ll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/tree/main/.github/workflows
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/actions
they do in fact make extensive use of github actions
I don’t remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
https://endoflife.date/forgejo
Gitea to my knowledge doesn’t have any LTS.
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
