If America has another legitimate election before it has another civil war, I will be shocked.
Because evidence is oozing out of the woodwork that the last election was stolen.
A) Democrats have been winning local elections since Trump got in. Many people online have been whining “Why aren’t republican voters changing their mind” when the reality is many have been doing so ever since Elon’s Nazi salute - they’re just not loud about it.
B) I still haven’t seen direct evidence of election tampering. There have been claims by professionals that it ‘could’ have happened, which snaps up clicks. There’s a price to claiming fraud when there wasn’t any, since whatever approach you want to use to defeat fascism will require mass action - but if you haven’t convinced the populace of your side, mass action is doomed anyway.
Gonna need armour-piercing ballots
Still waiting for my $5000 dollars Donny promised us in February, still waiting for no tax on tips, still waiting for the war in Ukraine to end, still waiting to be a crypto billionaire, still waiting to own the libs, still waiting *couch *couch oh boy I sure hope my insurance will cover this cold I got…
Couch couch? I hope Vance isn’t nearby.
JD Vance has entered the chat.
Oops! Cough cough…
I’m honestly shocked no one in the SS (ironic name ain’t it?) has done him in yet. There’s gotta be at least a couple that have thought about it right?
Someone who plans on leaving in 3½ years doesn’t pave over the rose garden, add a $200m ballroom, or deploy the national guard at the Capitol.
We’re in this until his shitty diet, substance abuse, lack of exercise, and age catch up with him.
Then, we’ll get to live though the struggle to occupy the power vacuum left in his wake.Also accepted a free plane that’s going to cost nearly a billion dollars to remake as Air Force one so he can use it for less than a year before his term is supposed to end. Not that he cares, but I totally agree that he, and his party, are expecting him to stay for longer. We’re like six months away from a big Trump sign on the White House lawn.
Isn’t he taking the plane with him? I thought it was “donated” to his “Presidential Library”.
Yup, he’s bringing it with him…I agree with your use of quotes too. But I’m guessing there’s a lot of stuff that’s going to be put on that plane that he needs to do his job as president (haha) that he shouldn’t have access to as a former president. So they’re adding all that stuff for him to use it for a year and then they remove it afterwards? I think it’s another indicator that he’s planning on exceeding his term limits.
The only solace I have is thinking he’ll drop dead sooner than 4 years from all those issues.
Project 2025 isn’t Trump. He’s just their first disposable puppet.
True but do you think people will follow JD Vance like they do Trump? Idk who they could get to replace him but I guess it wouldn’t matter as much since republicans are so conditioned to tow the party line no matter what
It already won’t matter. America won’t be seeing free elections again.
We’re in this until his shitty diet, substance abuse, lack of exercise, and age catch up with him.
And there is absolutely nothing the people can do?
Nothing we can talk about online without getting banned from literally any platform, including here, I can verify that firsthand.
You can talk about it on Lemmy, just chose better instances than reddit-lite.world
Good. OPSEC is important.
Pete says we’re clean on OPSEC, just keep him away from the liquor cabinet.
Well,
My prediction is they’ll train an LLM on all his speeches and put before the supreme court that it can be president because it executes his will.
All tech bros in the neighboring 500 km of the servers where your comment is hosted just simultaneously orgasmed
We could end this nightmare in as little as a year. Vote in the midterms! Your life depends on it!
If enough of us show up, it will be much more difficult to rig the election this time. This is your last chance to save the country. Make it count.
I don’t mean to be negative but you need to prepare for all of this to go sideways.
This situation will likely not lead to any type of meaningful midterm. Trump is not going to be leaving by his own volition. This is far worse than what most people can wrap their minds around right now. The DC move will be replicated in other cities soon, and the real bullshit will begin. When we did not prosecute Trump for his coup attempt, it was always going to lead here.
Midterms won’t be how you win America back, I fear.
“The crime and chaos in our streets makes it impossible to have midterm elections. We will delay them until this national crime wave ends”
No, 2024 was the last chance to stop Trump. There is no electoral solution to a fascist dictatorship. The only thing you can do in the midterms is get people who won’t meekly give in to every abuse of power, or who will rebuild after Trump dies instead of giving all control to oligarchs. We cannot end this nightmare unless Trump is dead, as he will never leave his new throne alive.
This country will be unrecognizable in 3.5 years.
This is what happens when you give conservatives power. This is why you don’t cry over a single issue or decide you just don’t want to get involved with politics and stay home. You adult up and make the decision that’s best for yourself and your fellow citizens.
Americans failed hard at doing that last November.
Our Oligarchs decided they were willing to support fascist. So we got a fascist. We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a dictatorship of the ruling class and the wealthy.
You can blame the wealthy all you want, and they are generally a detriment to our society, but our politics are the way they are because of our populace. Our politics are a reflection of our populace.
If Americans overwhelmingly voted against this, then there’s nothing the oligarchs could have done about it.
We, as a people, failed.
Ok. But it’s here. We have fascism. Do you think we just vote that out?
Showing up to vote is important to minimizing harm and building out our movements. We know more about what 3rd party voters want than non voters (majority block for several cycles)
Edit: Sorry, I thought you were the person that I responded to. So I took your comment in that context. I probably don’t really disagree with what you said in isolation. But I’m just leaving it now.
So, you think voting will still matter in 2028? At what point of fascist control will you finally pack up and say “well, shit I guess the only thing I did in Nazi America was go to the polls everytime I could. I was definitely resisting fascism by participating it’s entirely fair voting system”
Like, I can understand building working class solidarity around local elections. But if all you’re doing is electoral politics for the next 3.5 years that’s just mental.
Like I said we know more about 3rd party votes and how to appeal to them next time. Voting is lower effort and time committed than protesting. If your movement can’t to that its credibility on bigger level stuff is too low to be a threat
You do realize that would’ve required the Democrats to win every single election until the end of eternity right? Do you seriously think even the next two elections were winnable with the current DNC?
People see elections in a vacuum. This shit has literally been building since our parties joined in neoliberal ideology with Reagan. But they like to see Trump as the cause and not the effect.
It was not a legitimate election. Americans didn’t fail anything beyond letting a dictator be born due to their own lack of political education. But they did not vote for this in reality.
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You’re stating stats from a falsified election as if there’s any validity to them and it scares me
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This is a load of bs. I’m not holding on to hope, I just won’t lie about what happened which saying Trump won is. You’re holding on to hope there will BE more elections- this saddens me.
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Anyone who thinks this ends in 2028 is delusional.
Fascists usually only leave office when they die
Anyone that thinks this ends with Trump is delusional. If we still have the illusion of democracy in 2028 the polls will be “guarded” by ICE to “ensure a democratic process”.
It won’t matter if it’s Trump or an even more fascist candidate. The oligarchs have decided that they are supporting fascist. This is our new normal.
Crazy how many people think they can still vote their way out of it. And don’t get me wrong, they will also not shoot their way out. You can emigrate or just try to survive.
Well, there have been instances where they were forcefully removed and imprisoned, but those are outliers.
I believe this might be an example of “the exception that proves the rule”.
Yeah, it’s not like things were good in the USA, before January.
More and more often I catch myself wishing for accelaration: let it collapse rather sooner than later. It’s an emotional response, because watching this country go to the dogs in slo mo - possibly even with another Dem president in between that fails horribly trying to fix it - would be so torturous.
https://aeon.co/essays/the-great-myth-of-empire-collapse
Societal downfalls loom large in history and popular culture but, for the 99 per cent, collapse often had its upsides
Exactly. An empire falling is only really bad for those in power. For those of us that aren’t, collapse is a chance for us to assert our own authority.
Thing is, we need to preconfigure the society we want to see or else that power vacuum be filled by just a different set of tyrants who seek control over us.
Glad we agree there.
No need to worry about that one; MAGA is here to stay. Welcome to the United States of National Socialism.
No see MAGA is anti socialism, it’s why they’re not Nazis /s
I’m pessimistic because I see the USA collapsing.
You are pessimistic because you do not see it collapsing.
We are not the same.
I’ve been angry pretty much my whole life.
Six months?! Try 30 years…
A time limit? I admire your optimism.
I’ve been mad for far longer than that, and will continue to be mad until we have a true democracy, which will only be attained through the incredible violence of revolution.
So is 3½ years.
You guy can not get mad…?
