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      5 days ago

      Because other systems are much more sustainable. Just ask folks in Norilsk. Or Lake Karachay. Or pripyat. Or the Aral sea. Or…

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        5 days ago

        Ah yes, the only possible systems are Capitalism and the Soviet Union, which in practice was basically state Capitalism.

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            4 days ago

            …. Yeah, state capitalism.

            You’re not gonna tell me countries with billionaires, capital accumulation, market logic, are communist?

            The main exception is north korea but that’s just a totalitarian planned economy.

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            Your point isn’t that the PRC is good for the environment?

            China is pretty capitalist and incredibly environmentally destructive.

            Huge amounts of waste incineration for the huge amounts of waste. . Restaurants will serve you in disposable plastic tubs with one use chopsticks, wrapped in plastic, because:

            1. It powers the economy, and gotta chase those GDP numbers.
            2. It’s convenient, and is the PRC loves convenience over life more than an ironic stage persona of Jello Biafra.
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              4 days ago

              My point is that all countries are pretty non-sustainable, it’s not a capitalism thing. Maybe costa Rica, Iceland or Norway could be an exception if squint a lot.

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                3 days ago

                Commodity Driven Modernity is absolutely non-sustainable, I agree.

                As a country Iceland comes close, and possibly could be sustainable with minor changes you’re right. The others, I know less about the situation of.