cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/6400327
In case anyone is wondering, it’s rqd2.
The definition of paraphilia is “a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.”, which can inclde pedophilia.
It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance
Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.
Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon
That instance list is built completely automatically by a crawler, no one approves instances before they are listed. In this case it was removed as soon as we became aware of it. Next time please make a pull request like that one, its much more effective than complaining.
The instances page at join-lemmy is completely automated
This definitely needs to get pushed to the two main devs for lemmy as they control that website
I wouldn’t hold your breath, they didn’t even want to remove the Nazi instance in their AMA.
Edit: To the responses, great, it’s gone. Removing that pedo content shows that they’re not too overworked to purge content like that from join-lemmy. So there’s no reason for them not to remove the Nazi instances being advertised on the front page of join-lemmy. We’ll just look the other way on that one I guess.
Yet they did remove other pedo instances from join-lemmy, so there’s a good chance it’ll get removed.
Okay, so they do have a line. Nazi’s just don’t cross that line for them. Awesome job, dev team.
Edit: Now downvotes on an anti-nazi comment. Lemmy sure has become a shit place as of late.
Nazis can’t really get them in trouble. CSAM can, and if it gets through one instance, all instances get it, and that’s a bad face for the Fediverse.
I think containing the Nazis to their own little instance is better than spreading them thin across everywhere else.
I’d rather they didn’t congregate and feedback loop themselves into hate crimes.
Yeah, but to do that on an open source platform?
Can’t stop that of course, but can stop the free advertising. Better a lonely nazi.
That’s not what the comment thread was talking about. It wasn’t about removing the instance from running just to stop advertising it on the join-lemmy site and they refused.
This fix was already merged
That just seems like asking for trouble to me. Anyone could spin up NaziHellHole.com and get added to the list.
or if exploding heads came back and got tons of new users
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Holy fuck.
I was a teacher for a private company at 17. I taught kids aged 6-14. A couple of my students I had occasional intrusive sexual thoughts about.
She was 8, which was way below my AoA of 12+, and she certainly hadn’t started puberty. But she was attractive. She made me nervous, I thought about her everyday, I envisioned what we’d do together–she was just like any crush to me, only instead of an adult, she was a kid. But does that really make a difference? She was a person. What should age have to do with love? Eventually shit happened.
They even call it the pediverse.
Hello! I’m AR15U! I’m the owner of rqd2.net! I’m transgender and transrace, and questioning transage and transabled. I’m a MAP as well
What in the unmitigated fuck is this? How can someone be so ridiculous… transrace? Transage?! Transabled?!! Is this some sort of weird roleplay to make trans people look silly?
It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that they are trying to make trans people look bad.
Yeah, I think Poe’s Law may be in full effect here. The law basically states that without some sort of signifier that it is parody, it’s impossible to create a parody of an extremist that is so extreme that it’ll never be mistaken as genuine. It was originally applied to fundamentalist Christians, but has since been expanded to pretty much any trolling or extremist viewpoints.
I genuinely hope that it’s a troll trying to make trans people look bad. Because that’s honestly the best-case scenario. The idea of this person actually existing is more gross than the alternative. Because if they actually exist, then it means they’re not just a troll trying to make trans people look bad. It means they’re a goddamned predator who needs to be sequestered away from the rest of society, and should never be allowed near children.
The idea of this person actually existing is more gross than the alternative. Because if they actually exist, then it means they’re not just a troll trying to make trans people look bad.
People like this are guaranteed to exist. With the wide spectrum of sexualities out there plus the sheer numbers of human population, there was more than likely going to be a few that are trans and pedo. Just like how there are Catholic pedos, Buddhist pedos, certainly hetero pedos and yes, some gay pedos.
Any attempts to hold up a trans/pedo or a gay/pedo as the norm for trans or gay communities needs to be shot down as the disingenuous crap that it is, because we know damn well that we can hold up a cis/pedo or a hetero/pedo as the norm and it would obviously be just as invalid.
Oh I agree. The issue is that half of the population seems to be convinced that gay people are all pedos, because that’s the narrative that has been pushed lately. And shit like this only helps perpetuate the idea and add fuel to the fire.
I don’t doubt there’s people who are trans and also paedo, I expect the same prevalence in that group as any other group. But this list of trans-things is just mental. I’m finding it hard to accept someone could unironically claim to be all those things.
Though I wonder if the transable thing is reference to those ridiculous people who like, deliberately blind or maim themselves because they ‘feel disabled’
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They’re edgy teenagers. They’re hearing adults talk about these horrible trans pedophiles, and they want to rebel against their parents.
4Chan is obsessed with linking pedophiles and trans/lgbt peoples.
Just from reading that description I would confidently assume the entire site is being faked.
It reads like one of those 4chan pranks actually gaining followers.
It’s Poe’s Law in action. I’m mostly fairly accepting, but that is a straight up caricature and joke. Not one in particularly good taste, either.
I keep seeing messages in my inbox from this post that have a good number of downvotes and are deleted by the user or a mod. This is some hornet’s nest we’ve kicked.
Mentally ill is much easier to say
Unfortunately, there are actually people like this.
“Transabled” is a term some people use that wish to be disabled. There were even cases of people who paid doctors illegally to amputate a limb or they hurt themselves.
“Transage” are people who believe they actually have a different age. For example they feel like they are really 13. Some of them use that to justify relationships with minors.
They try to piggyback on the trans movement and present mental acrobatics in a whole new dimension of fucked up to explain why they are supposedly similar to people who are trans. (Which they really obviously aren’t, I think that doesn’t need explaining.)
And you can bet on it that trolls and right wingers use these obscure group of mentally unwell people to attack LGBTQ people and movements.
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What. In. The. Actual. Fuck.
How can someone be so damn open about being such a terrible living being? I feel like I’m gonna puke.
How can someone be so damn open about being such a terrible living being?
mohammad they even have a religion after it. many pedophiles are now converting to islam because of it.
My day was far better before reading this.
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What’s horrifying is the amount of pedo apologists on some lemmy instances. They screech that as long as they aren’t touching kids they’re free to be attracted to kids because it’s not hurting anyone. Anyone that looks at a kid and thinks sexual thoughts already crossed a line and should never be allowed access to children or the internet. Horrifying. Pedo is not a sexual orientation.
They screech that as long as they aren’t touching kids they’re free to be attracted to kids because it’s not hurting anyone
The person in the quote you’re responding to is saying they actually abused a child and are defending that act. IMO this in particular should be much more harshly condemned; communities of people excusing and telling each other it’s ok to abuse children.
what’s aoa
Age of Attraction
somebody call insane clown posse
Why? I know how magnets work.
I hate that I immediately got this comment.
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Makes me wanna puke 🤮
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There seems to be so much of that on here. Really hope to see more moderation preventing all that bad faith fake LGBT assholes from posting shit especially when they’re pushing nambla trash.
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Uuuunfortunately, that turned out to be an easily-accessible post that was barely chopped up probably for brevity more than anything else. Wasn’t one of their students, it was some 8yr old at their apartment complex.
Dunno if you’re from there or defensively made assumptions, but the MAP community was gonna come out fairly quick regardless and go over just as well.
It’s not fake, it’s literally still up on the site. You’re fucking disgusting.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230905022257/https://rqd2.net/post/2199
That may be so, but they do have pedo/‘MAP’ magazines where people openly talk about being…umm…‘pro contact’. Fucking yikes.
Not Safe For Work and Not Safe For Life, but screenshot evidence (not pornographic):
OK, that’s disgusting, but I can’t verify an image. There is not even a hint of the source.
That is the current front page of the MAP magazine on rqd2. You can look for it yourself or you can use this link. By all means don’t just take my word for it.
I only preface this with one warning.
I have moderated various platforms over the years, some with kids and some with vulnerable people including troubled teens and disabled people. I’ve seen just about everything and shaken off everything. The only exceptions involved the sexual abuse of minors. Those are the ones I remember. Dealing with this kind of stuff, even as just a moderator, an outside party if you will, hurt my soul.
What’s on this page is by no means graphic, either in textual details or images, but is instead disturbing in another way. Knowing what kinds of situations the kids these people talk to are inches away from, or heck, possibly are neck deep in already, and they talk about it like you and I might talk on a relationship magazine on any other instance.
You have been warned
Thank you, it didn’t look so bad on the front page, but I can see what you mean now. There are several posts that try to normalize pedophilia.
If it was a lot more like ‘how do I deal with this so that the people around me are safe?’ I’d be a lot more sympathetic to the mag and instance to be honest.
There are some pedos that do their utmost to deal with it in a safe way, like avoiding kids where possible and getting psychiatric help. I’d have no problem at least leaving that group alone.
Well adjusted ex reddit user
there are lead pills that cure this condition permanently
But does that really make a difference?
yes
Lemmy really really needs instance blocking. Yes I know some clients have it but Lemmy itself needs a way to enable users to fully block another instance and all of its communities.
It’s on the roadmap for 0.19, so coming hopefully in a few weeks
Luckily we have fediseer, which we use to automatically block instances with, for example, the csam tag.
It’s a disgusting, terrible instance. Back when I added them to our blocklist and fediseer they even had pedobear on display as if they were proud. They have a MAP community and Pedo memes.
The link posted by OP has our findings in it with a few of their posts on an archive site for those who don’t want to go to the instance directly: (https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/rqd2.net)
Yeah, no. I’m defeding with them.
Why must people do things like this it makes us all look bad
Honestly shit that blatant makes me think agent provocateur.
Bro they’re all like this heres one I just found
They’re so absurdly crazy I almost believe it’s satirical even though I know they’re probably being honest with their opinionsYeahhhhhhh, that’s just shitty fascist bait. I’m surprised no one has reported that instance to national authorities yet, it can’t federate if the people running it are busy with the FBI.
I can guarantee the vast majority of those posters are kids themselves just doing stupid cringey edgy kid things.
“What’s the worst thing I can think of? Let me join a community in support of it, that will show my parents”
Just look at that shit. It’s cringetopia.
Sadly not all of them are. I looked at the instance and clicked on a post where they share some book that collects “positive examples of grownup-child sexual relationships”. With a huge rabbit hole attached I won’t descend further into. This is legit some dark corner of the internet shit.
I mean, I think we should probably treat it the same way we’d treat any site that has content like that. Defederate from it, obviously, and then report the site to your national authorities who handle sites with that material. I’m sure the FBI would love to know that site exists so they can have a nice chat with the operator.
It’s intentional, that flag was made by 4channers trying to push the “MAPs are part of the LGBTQ community” line, specifically to confuse with resemblance to the trans pride flag.
Of course it is/was
If you’re gonna screw kids why not screw everyone else too
Personally I think we should have a MAP flag…
It should be grey, black and orange.
Grey and black represents the bars, orange represents the jumpsuit.
Pedophilia is a crime, not a sexuality, and the day this becomes a controversial statement is the day humanity is officially unworthy of its continued existence as a species.
I suggest you use fediseer on your instance if you want to keep up.
What exactly do you mean? I’ve been meaning to set up Fediseer but I haven’t gotten around to learning about it, and would appreciate any guidance you could give me
With fediseer you can Endorse instances and then you can follow the blocks those instances do. So for example you endorse lemmy.world and literature.cafe and when either one of them adds an instance to their blocklist on fediseer they will also be blocked on your instance.
You can even follow those blocks just for certain tags. Let’s say you don’t want to follow for “inactive admins” but you do want to follow for “neo-nazis” and “CSAM”.
It’s pretty cool and the functionality keeps expanding. Before it was more like a ring of trust but the developers have really been listening to what the community wanted and there has been a ton of progress. It’s created by @[email protected] and @[email protected] who added the gui and loads of extra features.
If you need any help, do let me know (on Matrix, preferably, but I can do PMs) and I can help set you up.
The only about the Devil’s Advocate I’m willing to give for someone who is attracted to children, is that I think they should be provided services to designed to prevent them from attacking people, and that they should be free to seek therapy to minimize their chances of attacking others without scrutiny.
But that’s the end of my symapthy anyone willing to force themselves upon a minor literally does not deserve to live.
I mean this is real free speech. We might find what they say and talk about horrible. But that’s what real free speech gets you
and we’re all free to say fuck off.
Exactly
Great strawman but no, this is not free speech, this is illegal content and laws exist to prosecute those who disseminate it. Free speech allows you to offend others … it doesn’t give you a pass to break the law.
As I said I find the whole trying to pass off pedophilia as something normal horrible. That doesn’t mean that them having their own instances and communities isn’t part of free speech.
Real free speech isn’t censored by law.
Again I’m just making an observation here it doesn’t mean I’m okay with this happening but this is what we signed up for, liberty has a cost.
As far as I’m concerned those people should be put on a police watch list and have all their post be read by their local authorities lol
freedom of speech means that the government cannot censor you. Lemmy is not the government
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The pedophile community is the largest local community and that should be all you need to know.
EDIT: Relevant discussion over on reddit
That’s just disgusting. This is why aliens won’t talk to us.
Great, this just makes us look bad. We need to do something to stop the bad and we need to overshadow the bad with good
I hate that people associate things in this way. Like if I see a bad website I don’t think “wow Linux really sucks” or Nginx or Cloudflare or whatever other technologies they’re using. I don’t watch a bad movie and think the Blu-ray player is the problem.
Yeah, part of the problem is people thinking Lemmy is one thing instead of a web of lots of things but I still agree with you
Reddit had r/jailbait and the r/ the Donald. This instance is just a turd in a ocean of normal and niche communities.
I initially thought this was an LGBT witch hunt. But unfortunately I have been shown that there actually is promotion of pedophilia there.
You really made about 20 comments before doing even a basic amount of due dilligence, huh?
I apologize, I thought I did, I read the rules, and I read on the frontpage, and it seemed pretty harmless.
And there were no posts here that showed anything actually wrong, but mostly what seemed like knee jerk reactions to the accusation.
Had I dug one step deeper, I would have found it. But my diligence wasn’t diligent enough, and I wrongfully concluded it was an anti LGBT issue.
Turns out I was mistaken, and yes I was a bit slow to figure that out.
At least you can admit you were wrong and change your mind. Those abilities are all too rare.
Thank you. 😀
He even reported people lol
We were about to ban him for being a pedo apologist because of it. Luckily we did look a little deeper and saw that he had a realisation ;)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
Sorry but what’s a MAP?
Pedophile (stands for Minor Attracted Person)
Thanks. I hate politically correct language like this
It’s not real, it was a joke made by 4chan that stuck. Nobody is actually using that term unless they’re a pedophile
There are actual retards out in the wild that use the term to describe pedophiles unironically. No one likes them. Bully them.
The term is real, it’s even used in scientific literature. The term possibly even predates 4chan, or maybe it’s just a success on 4chan’s part, successfully laundering a term into scientific discourse? It’s hard to find too much solid evidence on the origin of the term. 4chan did seriously signal boost it with the whole “MAP Pride” thing though.
Sure, but CSAM is a real term and the same thing applies.
?
Are you just anti-acronym in general?
Anti-unnecessary terms. Changing “child porn” (or CP) to “CSAM” is a ridiculous, confusing, and unnecessary thing. And it takes effort away from meaningful action.
https://www.rainn.org/news/what-child-sexual-abuse-material-csam
While the term child pornography is still widely used by the public, it’s more accurate to call it what it is: evidence of child sexual abuse. That’s why RAINN and others have stopped using the term child pornography and switched to referring to it as CSAM — child sexual abuse materials.
While some of the pornography online depicts adults who have consented to be filmed, that’s never the case when the images depict children. Just as kids can’t legally consent to sex, they can’t consent to having images of their abuse recorded and distributed. Every explicit photo or video of a kid is actually evidence that the child has been a victim of sexual abuse.
Making of a big deal about it is what takes away effort from meaningful action. Nobody is taking time out of their day over this issue but you. This is silly.
Its not real language.
Its some bullshit cooked up by internet trolls, and accepted and used by right wing propagandists, as the latest thing to use to try and paint gay people as pedophiles.
When, historically, we know the actual pedophiles are the ones falsely claiming gays are the danger to children.
It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children.
So, it’s got that going for it. Treating them both the same.
Unfortunately, it’s also used to obfuscate the fact that a MAP is a pedophile/hebephile. Which is bad.
There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos. Unfortunately, pedos use the term MAP to hide the fact they’re pedos, so… 🤷
It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children
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Tell us you’re not actually paying attention without telling us you’re not actually paying attention
There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos.
This is a lie meant to make pedophiles come off as sympathetic. They’re ALL terrible and there is no distinction between one pedo and another. If there’s anything that horrific instance should have shown anyone, it’s that. Any pedo who claims they hate themselves for it and are getting therapy are lying to you.
Maybe actually read what’s being said before blowing a gasket.
No. You are a horrible, horrific creature.
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To be fair, it is not politically correct language, actually it’s language that’s commonly frowned upon in all circles. But basically as long as the LGBT rights movements have existed with any level of mainstream visibility in America, there have been organizations like NAMBLA and the like that have been trying to piggyback off of them…
And it pretty much ends the same way, with the pedophiles being shown the door.
Incidentally this is what the early South Park episode about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes getting mad at NAMBLA (the irl NAtional Man Boy Love Association) for stealing their acronym is poking fun at.
It is like your screen name but without the “r”
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Looking at the instance, it’s horrifying, like 90% about fucking kids. They’re not even trying to hide it, so regardless of other legal paraphilia, it IS a pedo community… so you’ll be put on the watch lists too by joining.
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people need to be on top of this shit to ban it with extreme prejudice
Jesus mother of fuck
I hate people like that, they make the rest of us look terrible
This is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form
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I wish people would inform themselves before they jump to conclusions. If you don’t want to look at the instance that’s fine and understandable (and probably for the best). But don’t make assumptions and try to immediately spread discord without even trying to look at what you are talking about first. Otherwise it is you who is fanning the flames of hatred.
They share links to pedophilic material, they have a “smash or pass” thread for lolis, openly discuss how sex with children “isn’t always harmful”, consider themselves “transage” and therefore as good partners for minors etc. etc.
How long has it been there? Months?
The lemmy.ml devs were ok with Nazi instances being on join-lemmy “because people can just choose to join a different instance if they want” (or words to that effect) so it’ll be interesting to see how far they take that line of reasoning.
It looks like the instance has only existed for about a month, so it’s not too surprising it hasn’t been noticed before now.
They already removed pedo instances before, so they’ll probably remove this one. They seem to draw a much harder line on pedophilia than politics.
CSAM will bring negative law enforcement attention, whereas nazi content will get you a big thumbs-up from the cops.
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That really surprises me considering their the lemmy devs’ leftist political beliefs
They’re authoritarian leftists, who support Putin. They have more in common with fascists than most people do.
That’s the thing with being pro free speech - it means not censoring speech you hate.
Things quickly get complicated when the speech is (potentially) harmful.
This isn’t a censorship issue. This is a choice about whether to publicise and promote pedophiles or not. No website has a right to be included in join-lemmy listings.
I didn’t take them to be free speech absolutists, though.
They’re as leftist as the “communist” China. Or as “socialist” as the Nazis were. Just because someone calls themselves “communist” or “socialist”, doesn’t mean it’s true. And if you support China, Nazis, Soviet Union or its successor Russia, you’re not a communist or socialist.
