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I’d like to note: neurodivergent people generally only become close with other neurodivergent people (NOT ALWAYS). neurodivergent people are a much smaller portion of society, and a lot of these people will be bullied or put down growing up and lose their self worth. EVEN IF they manage to regain their self worth completely, they generally have trouble communicating with people, and will generally have mild to negative social interactions. Now the people who have the most trouble interacting have to interact with 5x as many people since they likely would only become close with other neurodivergent people. I hope that’s obvious how insanely unfair that is.
Stuff like this is pretty hurtful to those people, because if this is all it takes for most people, hey I must really be worthless then because I’ve already done all this and I tried a hobby and I tried asking people out and none of it works! To those people, sorry you have to deal with this, you deserve someone who will be happy to be with you. I promise there are people out there that will value you specifically for who you are, even if they’re more rare. You can try joining things that you think will have people you’d enjoy hanging out with, whether that be playing games at a comic book shop or joining a dnd group, a choir, a band, or any niche interest you have (for me this is learning languages, and I met two of the coolest people I’ve ever met through that)
This is an important message and a positive one. Thank you.
You will never find a man to sweep you off your feet, because sweeping is a woman’s job. Mrrowl
Damn, I need to up my opening line game if this is what I’m competing with, smh, sapphics OP, pls nerf
I’m at a loss.
Quality content 👌🏽✨
beautiful thank you
this hits the funny
:.|:;Ah, the English language’s first Kanji.
Sorry, I did wrote it in Spanish, I understand your confusion!
Ty very fine addition
Looks like there’s a Celeste Among Us…
*madeline
sorry had to do it
Nah it’s okay
i is hard for guys
Easily the best one. But does that mean:
a. Self-actualization and understanding one’s self is difficult for men due to toxic masculinity and social norms.
b. Into guys but with dubious grammar skills.
c. … both?
The guy in the top left’s name is i and he’s hard for guys.
Indeed why dating?
Simple: Guys should just date each other! The girls can then watch with their gfs 👨❤️💋👨👀👭
Imagine dating men…
I will become the girl instead
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I mean, if that ultimately gets me a girlfriend, I’ll give it a shot. Seems like a lot of extra steps though.
Why would you need a gf when your homie is everything you wanted?
Showering everyday isn’t actually necessary, excluding obvious situations.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/showering-daily-is-it-necessary-2019062617193
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240423-theres-no-need-to-shower-every-day-heres-why
I would look up an actual academic article, but I don’t care that much after being insulted. 🖖
The point is to take care of your hygiene, if showering less is enough for you that’s great
“Not strictly necessary”, please stop you’ll sweep me off my feet!
Not at the top of that list are ya
At least my eczema’s getting better, you ass.
Ass eczema must be miserable
While you’re right, it’s missing the forest for the trees. It’s just quippy way of saying “takes care of one’s hygiene”
But yes, it’s mostly a common myth that you have to shower every day, ideally do what feels right/works for you to have a good hygiene
But yes, it’s mostly a common myth that you have to shower every day
My armpits would like a word.
Good thing they don’t have a mouth, could you imagine morning breath in addition to whatever they’ve got going on?
That would have been awful, and I would hate to have to brush my teeth thrice!
Yeah I think there’s a difference between having a smell and smelling bad. I’ve been told many times that I have a smell(musk) and that it’s different from when I smell bad. A female friend of mine has borrowed clothes and protective equipment from me. Rain jacket: smells like me, kneepads: smell really bad.
😬
Not everyday if you don’t go outside, but if you go outside you need to shower before hand so you don’t smell
Okay, but how do you live like that
It helps with my eczema? What do you mean?
I have hypohydrosis & super sensitive skin. People in here don’t know shit about skincare or hygiene, apparently. Ironic. Lol so don’t take it too personal.
my skin will explode in acne if I dont take a shower every day, guess bodies are just different 🤷♀️
My partner gets super dry skin and cant shower everyday during winter. I shower daily, as in enough water to use soap where I smell and rinse after.
That sounds like dysbiosis. Maybe see a dermatologist that at least understands that there is a skin microbiome.
That s not true , of course doing the basic minimum of a normal human IS required but its not enough to have a gf today. The loneliness epidemic is real and not all lonely guy are complete moron. Personally I think one major factor is the privatization of love.
Wow this has a lot of up votes. Of course the loneliness epidemic is real but why blame something nebulous like the privatization of love when capitalism is right there. There’s a profit motive in getting people to work longer hours for less pay and have less free time to build community
Don’t forget the commodification of all the 3rd places so now there’s no real place for people to interact without having to spend money
Very thankful my community has public libraries, churches, community bike shops, makerspaces, etc because I know they’re declining in some places, churches especially (too bad they’re religious and they can’t just switch to community organizations) also civic clubs like Rotary and lions club.
Can’t take those orgs for granted they decay without involvement
Yes I just wanted to be more precise , in fact I was talking about the fact that more than halft of the meeting are donne thanks to dating app and that the algorithms of those app are made to make you dependent of those app and not for there original purpose . I think I m not clear but basically enshitifaction of dating app are a real problem and one major cause of loneliness that s what I wanted to say. Sorry for my broken english its not my first language
Oh yeah dating apps are a problem of capitalism too – I know some people who’ve met their life partners on old apps but that’s despite their tendency to keep you addicted to the app rather than finding someone
Ask someone out for coffee. Talk about your week. Ask about theirs. Don’t treat the interaction as a pass/fail. Repeat. If you have mutual attraction then nature will play out.
Doing the bare minimum hygiene and the appearance of happiness drastically improves your chances.
Dating is for finding someone you enjoy being around. Sex is a result of growing closer.
Obviously some people have it easier than others but I have peers that just refuse to ask people out for coffee or a lunch. I’m a late millennial if that matters.
Be a decent person and if a love interest doesn’t personally find you attractive they WILL tell their friends. NEVER talk poorly about your previous relationships. Learn a few jokes.
The privatization of love is a real problem but the classic approach isn’t dead.
Ask someone out for coffee
Who?
Get out of the house. Join some group activities. Enrich yourself. Make some friends.
If you are looking for a more specific example then try yoga or an exercise group like cycling. These kind of activities signal that you are looking to improve yourself and that is always a plus. Just remember not to leer and be polite.
OK, I’ve been weightlifting and bouldering for three years now.
Now what? Neurotypicals like you never explain the next step.
I mean, you can’t just get fit and expect someone to come knocking on your door. If you are feeling good about your looks now, that’s an accomplishment you can be happy about, and should, but it doesn’t send out some secret signal that you are ready for a relationship. You have to talk to actual people. You can meet them out in the world or on an app, you can also tell any friends you have that you are looking to start dating, network. I think friends of friends and dating apps are the most usual ways of getting dates now. When I was young we just hung out in groups and some people always people ended up paired off, didn’t really date per se, but my kids don’t seem to do that as much.
So basically - now you are happy about your physical shape, you still have to reach out to people, that is the next step.
If you are feeling good about your looks now,
I’m not. It took me almost 4 years to have a normal BMI, yet I’m still super skinny, my face is still horrible, and I’m not even that good at weight lifting (bench-pressing 60kg is terrible).
You have to talk to actual people.
Who? And say what?
This “advice” is always repeated by people like you, yet they can’t answer the most basic question about it.
you can also tell any friends you have that you are looking to start dating, network.
They know, but what can they do about it?
dating apps
I used several apps for 2 years and got nothing. Maybe a match every six months. Those apps are scams anyway; I know for a fact Tinder shadowbans accounts of people they deem too ugly. I did an experiment with a friend once; we both set our search perimeter to less than a kilometer. I could see her account, but she couldn’t see mine.
you still have to reach out to people
Again: who? Say what? I asked that question to several people over the years, both IRL and on Reddit/Lemmy, and NEVER got an answer.
You are talking to us here, now. I know you do rock climbing and weight lifting. If you have friends, you talk to them too. It’s not different from that. You are doing it already. There’s not a formula.
What friends can do is tell their friends you are a great guy and introduce you to other people. That’s what networking is, the same way you network computers, you network human relationships, by connecting them.
I recommend not calling someone you exchanged two comments with neurotypical. It’s quite rude and in this case outright wrong.
Since we are talking in circles refer to my first statement.
Ask someone out for coffee. (In case you are wondering the unwritten first rule is introduce yourself)
If you have someone like a therapist/counselor/psychologist. I reccomend you work with them to smooth your edges.
You’re upset that other person is jumping to conclusions about you, yet you jumped to conclusions about the thread OP and something burger not having the ability to come up with the advice you doled out.
Your responses implied that they needed was some rudimentary social knowledge when they’re trying to explain that the loneliness epidemic is more nuanced than the meme portrayed it as.
Tbh your advice was pretty typical
I said ask someone out to coffee and they responded “who”? The implication was that they aren’t exposed to a lot of people.
Hopefully seeing my “typical” advice will inspire someone to give it a try instead of just ignoring it as a neurotypical approach.
I’m just trying to spread advice on what worked for me. And I’m speaking in general whereas Nothing burger directly called me neurotypical with the intent to discredit my advice.
That being said I’m getting a little adgitated by some of the dms I have received.
Ask someone out for coffee
Again: who? That part is always missing. “Talk to people!” and say what? I can’t go to a random person and ask them what their favorite color is. How do I pick a person and what do I tell them? This question is seemingly impossible to answer, as no one ever gave me one.
If you have someone like a therapist/counselor/psychologist.
I don’t believe in pseudo-science. Those people can’t do anything. They are not real doctors. They will not cure my autism. Plus, they are expensive and not reimbursed by social security (this is how you know it’s a scam, unlike actual medical professionals).
Therapists et al aren’t trying to cure autism. They help people navigate social situations, personal and social problems and confusion, and (this part is unrelated) emotional and psychological issues.
You may be able to benefit from a therapist helping discover a set of unspoken rules that certain social interactions are based on, and create a plan of action to engage using those rules, instead of “curing your autism” which isn’t possible.
Have a good day. I don’t think I can achieve anything here over text.
Therapy and psychology is valid. There are plenty of providers that operate with a sliding scale and if you income is what I assume you will be free/low cost case.
You don’t need to “cure” your autism. You just need to identify the parts of you that are more abrasive and manage them.
I hope you find what you are looking for, or at the least find someone to help you work on yourself.
My issue is with your first sentence (cis white man that is about as just barely straight). With all of the talk about equality, equity, and BS gender roles, I’m still expected to make all of the initial moves and decisions in real life and on apps. However, I’m mildly on the spectrum and my natural tenancy is to be very aggressive in my methods (not in a violent way and not just with people, just mean I am very earnest, locked in, and tenacious with most things I do).
I have never been approached, hit on, or asked out by a women in real life, though I have by men a couple of times. When I’m in public or at a bar I am literally invisible, unless I happen to walk into a women’s zone of awareness (not personal space, but the point/distance where they then have to make a judgment as to whether I am a threat or not).
The advantage of online dating is that if I match with someone it’s reasonable to assume they are interested in me which puts me past the initial barrier in real life of not being able to tell. At that point I’m pretty OK at interacting with a person and flirting etc. However, my hobbies and the things I would like a partner to enjoy doing with me are very male dominated.
The result of this is that I haven’t ever had a partner or dated someone who didn’t have crippling anxiety and/or deep self-image issues where they use their partner for all of the validation and structure they haven’t figured out how to do from within themselves. Which at least to me makes sense, since women with the same interests as mine are surrounded by men all the time everyday, and so the confident well adjusted women have the metaphorical pick of the litter and probably end up with one of the few not problematic men in that space that are also well adjusted.
I am well aware it’s far more complicated than that, and that women face a number of other struggles, but Game Theory does still very much apply, and so as I was saying before despite all of the rhetoric about equity, I still have to play by the old rules while somehow also playing by the new ones at the same time.
It’s exhausting.
It sounds like online dating is a boon to you. As far as your hobbies go you should try branching out into less male dominated ones. Sometimes you meet someone that you can spend time in each other’s worlds but maintain your own as well. It sounds like you have some real barriers to overcome.
Like I said, it’s my only option really, but been doing it when out of a relationship for at least a decade.
Not to be too snarky, I know you are just trying to be helpful, but I have tons of hobbies I enjoy and not enough time and money to enjoy the ones that I do have. I’m not looking for someone that shares my every hobby, but the only women I seem to connect with are of the engineering STEM type, but the interest has always been very one sided.
Another unfortunate part of our current reality is that life at this point almost assumes there are two working people in a household. It can be very difficult just getting daily and weekly responsibilities done with any time left over.
Then being told that despite doing everything society says one should do and be to be desirable to a partner (including being understanding and respectful of others struggles, trauma, neurodiversity, etc.) basically being told I just need to be more social is infuriating. So the fact that I’m introverted and find lots of social interaction taxing is something I need to get over, but I need to just accept that I will never have someone ASK ME out and I need to be patient and understanding with everyone I interact with?
I said, I know you are just trying to be helpful, and this frustration isn’t directed at you, but life more generally. It’s something I have gotten a lot of and feels a lot like “hopes and prayers”. It’s a reaction people seem to have wanting to somehow cognitively decouple from the core root cause and find a way to other me and what I need to do so that they don’t have to really engage with and think about the cold reality of it all.
Thank you for the well thought out reply. I understand what you are trying to say. The finances and time to pursue love can’t just be snatched out of the ether. Do not lose hope and become bitter. The only advice I have left is that if you have trouble being the instigator then the kink community may introduce you to someone more forward.
It’s amusing you mention the kink community, because that’s kinda where I have been thinking about recently. I’m very much a versatile, but have only ever been the dominate one (I have never knowingly met or interacted with a dominate women that wasn’t an obvious scammer). I have always been kink adjacent, meaning people I have dated or know are/were involved in it, but I never have been. I have poked around and found there are some Femdom related meetups and munches in my area, so I do plan on scoping one of them out at some point.
My only real ‘hesitation’ is just the type of women in my area that tend to be involved in kink in my area tend to be a bit larger and older than I would prefer 😅. Not that I’m shaming them for that, everyone should be comfortable in their own bodies. In fact, I would estimate at least 80% of my partners have weighed more than me while being shorter than me. I’m not actually that picky, I just know that ultimately I would like someone who is at a similar activity level and overall level of fitness. I’m not looking for a super model.
I am exactly average for my height and weight… if it were the 1970s. That eliminates 66% of the population in my area though and is likely something I will likely concede on as I have in the past.
Really, I’m mostly holding out for VR or holographic projections to get to a point where I can reasonably pretend/convince myself (not actually but you know what I mean) it’s good enough. Something along the lines of what K has in his apartment in Blade Runner 2049. I’m thinking in like 20-30 years maybe?
Edit: I actually did the math not too long ago pulling data from the most recent census and Pew Research and the number of women that match my criteria and are on dating apps in my area is about 35. Well like 35.6 but I’m not sure if I should count on the double leg amputee or not (joking). That number is likely a little smaller due to some things I couldn’t get numbers for.
appearance of happiness
I see now. That is holding me back by a lot.
The whole fake it till you make it thing can be applicable here but therapy is valid and cheaper than you think. You are worthy and deserving of love.
I strongly recommend being happy, one of the best feelings really. I’ve tried the other emotions and they just don’t feel the same. (But seriously I’m no fun when I’m depressed. People like being around happy people, it’s contagious)
Rule 1. Be happy.
Rule 2. Don’t be unhappy.
Do a group activity which has members of the demography you’re trying to attract. Show that you’re useful in a social environment and you will gain status and thus attract mates.
That can be anything from environmental protection, sports, politics, arts, music, games, organizing parties.
You forgot the two most important steps:
- Be attractive
- Don’t be unattractive
Otherwise it will not work.
If you mean physical and optical attraction, that can be improved by hygiene, clothing, haircut, exercise, makeup, diet.
Other factors like manners, conversational skills, generosity, outlook, morals, ethics, dance skills, art skills etc. can also be worked on.
Below average looking guys will easily pull women, if they have status and a purpose/passion in life. Status isn’t just money, it can be just being known for being useful in your social circles.
Ugly people have sex and spouses as well.
Yes, the bottom 10% of men have it harder. However most of them can work on themselves to improve their attractiveness immensely.
One advantage men have, is their attractiveness increases with age. For women it goes downhill in their 30s. For men that’s when their peak starts.
I’m now 42 and more women in their late 20s are interested in me than ever before in my life. Single late 30s women are often desperate to find a husband. The older men get, the bigger their dating range becomes. As a rule of thumb men can get women at their age or younger. Women will go for men their age or older. Woman with wrinkles and grey streaks: old hag grandma. Man with wrinkles and grey streaks: handsome and trustworthy.
So if you want to attract the most desirable women, work on yourself until you’re 30 and then start looking for a wife.
Of all that, only hygiene and exercise improve attraction, and it requires going to the gym 6 times a week and using performance enhancing drugs for it to make a difference.
Diet, clothing and haircut are mostly irrelevant. The only things that matter are height (1m80 is the minimum acceptable nowadays), muscles, and having a nice face. All three are required.
Source: I’m very small (1m70) and ugly, and having the ability to bench press my own weight doesn’t help at all.
T’es pas petit je fait 1m63 1m70 c’est pas mal a coté x)
OK mais la plupart des ados sont plus grands que moi alors que j’ai le double de leur âge 😅
Your ideas of attractiveness are very skewed. If you only do only dating face and body matter more, because it’s much of what you see. However fashion and displayed activities, and status also play a role. But you might be better off looking for mates elsewhere.
Lots of short men with non athletic bodies and mediocre looks get laid every day.
Body and face beauty certainly helps, but there are diminishing returns. Except of course if you want to date super models.
Not being fat and doing some exercise or sports twice a week already puts you way ahead of the pack.
If you go and play social mixed gender volleyball instead of autistically lifting every day, you will have more opportunities and success.
What do you have to offers partner? Are you fun to hang out with? Do you do fun or interesting activities? Do you perform or make art?
For example: even the most low level DJs or musicians will have more success, than a grumpy loner who asks people if they know all albums of the band shirt they’re wearing.
So you’re short, athletic, and have an ugly face. What about your skills, interests, fashion, and activities?
Plenty of women are much shorter than you. If you live in the Netherlands or Mexico makes a difference.
I’m not overweight. I’m skinny but have been gaining weight over the years. I weigh 60kg for 1m70 (up from 47kg in 2020).
I don’t autistically lift every day (although the non-autists that do obviously have more success with women), only twice a week. I also do indoor bouldering, which is a sport with almost 50/50 men and women. I’ve been going to the same gym for the past 3 years (I don’t know a single person there).
As for my hobbies, I play the guitar, love politics (left/far-left), play video games (mostly retro or indie), go to concerts.
Of course, none of that is relevant, because my face makes manhole covers jump in fear, I’m very short (I know women are shorter but they want taller men), and not muscular.
Some people are gay.
The lesbian harem is keeping me from getting a girlfriend!
That’s okay.
Lol the attractive guy turns into a femboy ;3
The attractive “guy” is a transbian (trans lesbian) :3
I wanna take a ride on that transbian railway.
Lesbian dick is definitely some of the best dick out there
where have we gone
where am i
This is not my beautiful house
Who is temach
Allegedly he’s some Mexican bootleg version of Tate.
Who is Tate
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Temach my balls!
No?
I’d like to think I am the guy the arrows are pointing to but I am still chronically single 🥲🥲🥲 its okay, life is good but still I do get lonely sometimes
I’m sorry it was me. Now I transitioned so I’m the one in the bottom picture too 😎
winning fr
- Be attractive
- Don’t be unattractive
shi my bad g
Have you tried dating?
on a year streak rn :3
Nope, and at this point I don’t feel like bothering. My life sucks for many reasons, but not having a partner is a pretty minor one. Many people’s lives suck worse than mine as well.
We’re trans-friendly here, you can come out
Edit: I interpreted the two pics as a two-panel progression
this may have been the intention I may be stupid
I’m getting married
Congrats friend. Are you happy?
Yes :)
Everyone just scrollin’ past this post.
Grats!
Misandry is not going to help anyone but misogynists
And what exactly was “misandrist” in this meme?
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Misandry is when people say Tater tots don’t shower or that women would rather date women
I guess it could be read as there are no regularly showering non-incel men, just women, which would not be fair.
Eh, I guess it could but it’d be a bit of a reach. The 2nd meme has no labels, and I just read it as being something like the 4B movement – many women just don’t want to date guys anymore
Ah, I knew they’d find Lemmy sooner or later. I guess it can’t be helped.
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This exactly. I wouldn’t have said it better.
Don’t make it so obvious…
It’s hard enough to find someone already. Like - ok fine I get it, yes, being a lesbian (or bi) feels like the only way anyway, cuz like yeah, how can you not like girls. I find that somewhat hard to imagine.
but that turns into a bad thing, because all of a sudden you have all these super pretty girls in the dating space and they are all prettier, smarter and more comfy cozy than you!!! I feel this is especially the case when transfem (but what do i know)
how can you not like girls. I find that hard to imagine.
Yes kinda. But I do feel that generally, people are more attracted to girls than to guys. And I don’t like that.
As I kid, I thought it was interesting that while there were male and female voices available for voice assistants (like Siri), people would always pick the female ones
That is fair. i think people generally just prefer feminine voices. Other than in podcasts for some reason.
That definitely depends on the context. Women’s voices are often characterized as too whiny, too emotional, too bossy, too [insert sexist insult.] The content of what we say doesn’t matter. Some people just hear a woman’s voice and automatically tune out. Sadly, when you live it, it’s hard to avoid; I didn’t hate my voice for so many years for no reason.
Considering that virtual assistants like Siri only exist to follow user’s commands, it might be worth considering that people aren’t preferring female voices because they like them more. It’s possible that people feel more comfortable giving demands to a female voice than a male one.
Just some food for thought.
Gotta put maga chuds on there too. There’s a literal movement (4B) to not f— those people.
The top image gave me flashbacks to reddit, r/chodi, and the wave of Indians spamming r/Pakistan complaining about “love jihad”
spoiler
Love jihad (or Romeo jihad)[5] is an Islamophobic[11] conspiracy theory[22] promoted by right-wing Hindutva activists.[25] The conspiracy theory purports that Muslim men target Hindu women for conversion to Islam by means such as seduction,[28] feigning love,[30] deception,[31] kidnapping,[34] and marriage,[37] as part of a broader demographic “war” by Muslims against India,[39] and an organised international conspiracy,[42] for domination through demographic growth and replacement.
It was funny because there actually were several studies and polls that suggested women in India preferred Muslim men because they were well groomed and more respectable than their Hindu counterparts.
Sounds like English vs Vikings all over again
We didn’t convert you though?
Litterally me
Figuratively me
Lets make a club 💓
