Vivian (they/them)

Maybe it’s just a popular opinion on here, so when people click on the thread and see their opinions being mentioned they don’t add more comments saying the same stuff as there’s no point.

But then when they see someone else say something that differs from their own opinions, it’s not unlikely that people tend to reply more to try and express themselves if they feel their opinions are no longer in the majority.

Well, it’s a neopronoun, so while it’s popular enough for most people to understand what it means, in my experience “iel” sadly gets a lot of pushback (“oh but we don’t do that in French” etc.) which means it’s rarely used in contexts other than to refer to non-binary people who have expressed a preference for “iel”.

I use an app called Moshidon, it’s a fork of (a fork of) the official app, it’s quite nice

Indeed why dating?

I completely switched to Mastodon and here, I’d rather not use platforms that are locked down by corporations and will inevitably enshittify without leaving me a simple way to migrate

Yeah, you subscribe to hashtags to start, find people you agree with/find interesting, follow them, and then as they boost stuff you’ll find more and more people to follow.

Really mods, banning someone for doxing a Nazi? Even though you’re on .world I’d have expected better, I understand that you guys have rules but like…

but what if this comment radicalizes men!?! I think you probably should add at least 10x more “not all men” disclaimers than actual text just to make sure not to push them into advocating against basic human rights /s

It does work though?

For example Duralex, a famous French glass tableware/kitchenware manufacturer, started transitioning to a worker cooperative in July of this year. This is a company that has like 25 million euros in revenue per year (2023), so I don’t think we can consider it “small”.

This was approved by the Commercial Court of Orléans fyi and I don’t think they’d have done that if it “can’t work in the real world”.

They’re not necessarily the same, there’s two major differences between them physiologicaly:

1. Asexual people date others unless they are also aromantic (well aromantic people also can date but it’s less common)
2. Some asexual people can and do have sex

Well that sucks, I somehow missed that, hopefully the fact that the women participating in the American version of 4B will likely be more left-leaning helps keeping the movement away from that hate

Thank you as well, have a good weekend!

Thanks for the clarification, I’d rather not get something wrong because of a misunderstanding.

I definitely agree with you, it seems logical that the 4B movement would become more popular in the areas where there are bigger threats to the autonomy and safety of women, self-preservation (and solidarity for that matter) is an extremely important factor.

That said, I do understand why there is a call for “all” women to participate. Having more women participating across a country seems like it would increase resistance of some members of the national/federal government to stripping away more rights away from women. It’s quite a complicated subject.

Thank you, I hadn’t thought about that, you’re right.

Would you say then that that form of punishment only affects someone who believes they are entitled to something they typically get? (I can’t see how it would affect someone that doesn’t get something, and I don’t see how it would affect someone that doesn’t feel entitled to it)

Then, in opposition of what I said, I do agree it would punish a subset of entitled men. I will add an edit to what I said if I’ve understood this correctly.

Okay cool. So if we agree that individuals are not obligated to date men, then it follows that choosing not to do so is not a punishment towards men. A punishment requires a penalty or deprivation, and since dating is not a requirement, there can be no deprivation occurring.

This movement was not created to punish some men who feel entitled to a relationship, it’s (primarily) to advocate for their rights and against the expectations they are subject to.

It has been pointed out to me that it might constitute a punishment for a subset of entitled men so this is not entirely accurate. That said, I would still say it is unjustified to frame this as a punishment of all men, especially considering that subset of entitled men likely constitutes of the very people in favor of removing rights from women.

They’re not obligated to date men though, if they want to participate in 4B then I don’t see what’s wrong with that. They are allowed to assert their bodily autonomy, it’s a form of protest against how they are treated

a female supremacist movement

Thanks for confirming exactly the type of person you are, it’s really helpful for people that want to be certain that they won’t lose anything of worth by blocking you.

The 4B movement in South Korea is meant to oppose their patriarchal state because they don’t want to be viewed as reproductive tools.

On the other hand the movement you’re talking about is meant to “protect” against feminism and oppose a supposed bias against men in society, which is ludicrous when you consider that women are discriminated against much much more to the point it’s not even comparable. It’s just a misogynistic movement.

So no, this isn’t hypocrisy, these are very different.

Now, if men made a movement to protest gendered expectations or real problems without jumping through a thousand hoops to blame feminism, and without its logic being based in misogyny, I think that would be better received.

I love that I managed to guess quite a few of these

Well I’d say most of them are federated together, or at least those with a good amount of users. In practice you don’t really get islands other than I guess troll instances that everyone has blocked.

And AFAIK as long as an instance isn’t blocked by yours (and vice versa to be useful), you can follow a person on that unfederated instance and it should just work and get federated.