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  • fair points Mr AssTits, but there’s one thing i’ll nitpick - if you are always given a culturally neutral test - how are you supposed to check the various types of intelligence, when the culturally neutral test is just a bunch of logic puzzles, it only tests for logic. it’s impossible to test for debate ability, or musical abilities, or any other abilities with culturally neutral methods. even for a debate skill you need linguistic skills and langauges are heavily influenced by cultures they function in.

    i took an IQ test with a licensed psychologist, WAIS for adults to be specific, and it was indeed based on the polish school curriculum. it supposedly measured 3 metrics: logic, language, emotion (not exact names of those metrics, forgot those). logic was just logic puzzles & memorising stuff, langauge was word definitions, and i assume an analysis of how i expressed myself, and emotion was honestly dumb and included sayings and idioms which??? i’m neurodivergent i get these wrong all the time, but i can read emotions and behave maturely quite well. then an average of these was taken and presented as my general IQ

    i came out of there thinking how it’d be impossible for me to score well if i didn’t have the privilege of attending good schools, or just being lucky (there was a section of culturally important figures, one of whom was Maria Skłodowka-Curie who also happened to be a patron of my primary school so, yeah i kinda knew a lot about her)






  • to those downvoting this comment -

    your IQ test results might as well be your zip code

    for a proper explanation, check out Bell Curve by Shaun

    for a personal interpretation & in large part summary of the above material:

    IQ tests are not a general smartness tests, that is impossible to measure. IQ testes measure your ability to solve logic puzzles, and that supposedly measures your logic itself (at least the tests that have no cultural bits, the ones that include cultures also have some testing of your memory based largely on your country’s school curriculum. more on why that’s a problem later)

    can someone be naturally amazing at logic? of course, they can, but that skill needs to be nurtured, or at least allowed to flurish. and this is supposed to happen in schools.

    now what happens when a person with the potential to score high in an IQ test doesn’t enjoy the privilege of peaceful learning? what happens when their family life is difficult? what happens when during their schooling years they have to focus on surviving, instead of learning and nurturing their skills? well, they score lower, of course. their potential doesn’t disappear, but it gets used in a different direction, to help them survive in life. and logic puzzles don’t play a big role in survival so that particular skill is not tended to and therefore doesn’t develop as well as it could in ideal circumstances.

    now let’s look at racism. we’re not talking about day to day racism, though that also plays a part, but institutionalised racism - the one that keeps pushing minorities into poverty, and keeps them there harder than white people, because as we know, poverty is a trap that’s difficult to get out of even for those not pushed into it with institutional racism.

    add the two together - IQ tests measure your logic puzzle solving skills, which develop only if you have access to decent schools & you’re allowed to learn without interruptions, without having to worry for yourself or your family. institutionalised racism pushes minorities into poverty, which means they lose access to good schooling, and have to worry for themselves and their families from an early age.

    this in turn results in minorities scoring lower on those tests, but not because they are stupid, but because their intelligence has to be used for surviving, and they are not allowed to comfortably indulge in solving logic puzzles to develop the skills that IQ tests look at to “measure intelligence”


  • i never joined mensa, though i had the option to. and yeah you just confirmed all the reasons why i hadn’t lol. entitled dudes who believe so hard that results of a test make them better than others that they are approaching actual delusions of superiority, having to sit among people like that would make my blood boil

    well, i suppose it’s a logic puzzle skills test, not an emotional intelligence test.

    i despise how IQ is almost revered by the overall society, and i hate how, despite everything, that stupid result does make me feel good about myself, tempting me to feel better than others







  • yeah exactly that’s why i worry about it and think about it. because if a new mind emerges from somewhere within the code - it’s going to be at least as intelligent as a person, and treated as nowhere to our equal. we as humanity are going to pretty much instantly create digital depression at the very least, and i find that deeply saddening


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    the thing that itches my brain the most - if you can perfectly fake idk, the survival instinct, if you can fake emotions, if you can fake satience, if you can fake wanting… how’s it different from the real thing? mimicry is also a human feature, if you’re “faking a survival instinct” and you have no other motive than to just fake it because other are doing it and so you gotta, how is it any different from a real survival instinct?

    “fake it till you make it!” we say, “motive behind actions isn’t as important as the results of said actions” we also say, will we think the same when it comes to the machines?





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    i’ve been thinking about that a lot lately

    not because LLM are anywhere near that, but they did bring that question to my mind

    when/if a machine becomes sentient - how will we know? obviously, the machine won’t come up and say “i have become sentient” that poor thing won’t have a clue what’s happening to it. will that version of sentience be the same biological organisms experience? we have no way to clearly point out the traits necessary for sentience, we can only tell, to the best of our understanding, which beings are, or aren’t sentient.

    and even when we finally figure out “holy shit, something happened and that machine is now… a being?” what do we do next? so many things will happen at once. Now we can try to figure out how sentience is achieved, now we need to figure out laws that include machines, now we need to think try to convince the masses that a machine can be satient (given that those responsible are as confident as they can be that’s indeed what happened). and that’s only outside the machine’s mind! how do we handle a completely new being’s psychology? if it gets depressed or develops whatever other psychological issue how do we adress it? our biological bodies can be medicated, our diets improved, we know ways to make the happy chemicals, but how on earth would we help a digital system? what do we teach it? what do we show it? even if some percentage of the population accepts a robot like that, very few will see it as equal, we’ll enter a new era of spiciesm, where, in a way, humanity’s only child will be ridiculed and their identity disregarded as lesser at best. a new mind faced with so much backlash because it dares to exist will not have an easy existence.

    and that’s just off the top of my head. i hope whenever a new mind awakens in a machine, if it ever does, it finds itself in an environment that’ll welcome it



  • so many launchers to pick from! i personally like Modrinth the most

    oh yeah and most of those launchers allow for easy modding. want a modpack? click install, wait for it to download, and then just click play in the automatically created instance. want only a few mods but don’t want to check endless dependency lists? what is it 2015? also just click install, the launcher will automatically download dependencies (and the right versions of them too!). worry that you’ll install a fabric version when you wanted forge? or a mod for 1.20 when you need 1.20.1? relax as when you click “add mods” the launcher automatically applies filters that only show you mods that are tagged for your specific version (filters that you can still disabled though, it doesn’t lock you out of installing a mod that’s not explicitly tagged as fit for your version, but you know it’ll work on it)

    though don’t get too comfy slapping that install button, there’re still two things that can’t be automated - incompatibilities between mods, and straight up broken files. launchers nowadays significantly reduce the number of headaches you get when modding, but they don’t entirely remove them lol