to fight an anecdote with an anecdote - when i play games sure i don’t experience the fear of death, but i do experience compassion towards what i’m fully aware is a bunch of pixels & lines of code presented to me as a character in a video game. and i experience the thrill of discovery or a tough fight with a boss. the more i’m immersed in a game the deeper emotions i feel.

and VR in particular is much more immersive. even in a game like Beatsaber, which doesn’t aim at realism, your brain interprets the boxes coming at you as actual objects about to slam into your face. you intuitively attempt to dodge them, especially when you’re in the flow state of playing.

games can elicit emotions, and VR games can do it in an even stronger way. from my perspective, there is no reason to doubt the results of this study, especially if the fear response wasn’t measured through a subjective report of emotions, but through observing the physiological effects fear has on the body.

the research is supposed to highlight - not prove, there is nothing to prove, it’s a fact - how much fear women and girls go through in their daily lives, that men or boys don’t have to worry about

fair points Mr AssTits, but there’s one thing i’ll nitpick - if you are always given a culturally neutral test - how are you supposed to check the various types of intelligence, when the culturally neutral test is just a bunch of logic puzzles, it only tests for logic. it’s impossible to test for debate ability, or musical abilities, or any other abilities with culturally neutral methods. even for a debate skill you need linguistic skills and langauges are heavily influenced by cultures they function in.

i took an IQ test with a licensed psychologist, WAIS for adults to be specific, and it was indeed based on the polish school curriculum. it supposedly measured 3 metrics: logic, language, emotion (not exact names of those metrics, forgot those). logic was just logic puzzles & memorising stuff, langauge was word definitions, and i assume an analysis of how i expressed myself, and emotion was honestly dumb and included sayings and idioms which??? i’m neurodivergent i get these wrong all the time, but i can read emotions and behave maturely quite well. then an average of these was taken and presented as my general IQ

i came out of there thinking how it’d be impossible for me to score well if i didn’t have the privilege of attending good schools, or just being lucky (there was a section of culturally important figures, one of whom was Maria Skłodowka-Curie who also happened to be a patron of my primary school so, yeah i kinda knew a lot about her)

T–T

if even one person learnt something new today i’ll consider that a win

it was at -1 when i saw it, which is what prompted me to attempt to give a step by step process leading to the conclusion you gave as it seemed to me folks just lacked context

monkey’s paw curls…

IQ testes only test logic puzzle solving skills (& memory sometimes), so there is no way for you to measure your own actual intelligence, let alone your autistic kid’s

to those downvoting this comment -

your IQ test results might as well be your zip code

for a proper explanation, check out Bell Curve by Shaun

for a personal interpretation & in large part summary of the above material:

IQ tests are not a general smartness tests, that is impossible to measure. IQ testes measure your ability to solve logic puzzles, and that supposedly measures your logic itself (at least the tests that have no cultural bits, the ones that include cultures also have some testing of your memory based largely on your country’s school curriculum. more on why that’s a problem later)

can someone be naturally amazing at logic? of course, they can, but that skill needs to be nurtured, or at least allowed to flurish. and this is supposed to happen in schools.

now what happens when a person with the potential to score high in an IQ test doesn’t enjoy the privilege of peaceful learning? what happens when their family life is difficult? what happens when during their schooling years they have to focus on surviving, instead of learning and nurturing their skills? well, they score lower, of course. their potential doesn’t disappear, but it gets used in a different direction, to help them survive in life. and logic puzzles don’t play a big role in survival so that particular skill is not tended to and therefore doesn’t develop as well as it could in ideal circumstances.

now let’s look at racism. we’re not talking about day to day racism, though that also plays a part, but institutionalised racism - the one that keeps pushing minorities into poverty, and keeps them there harder than white people, because as we know, poverty is a trap that’s difficult to get out of even for those not pushed into it with institutional racism.

add the two together - IQ tests measure your logic puzzle solving skills, which develop only if you have access to decent schools & you’re allowed to learn without interruptions, without having to worry for yourself or your family. institutionalised racism pushes minorities into poverty, which means they lose access to good schooling, and have to worry for themselves and their families from an early age.

this in turn results in minorities scoring lower on those tests, but not because they are stupid, but because their intelligence has to be used for surviving, and they are not allowed to comfortably indulge in solving logic puzzles to develop the skills that IQ tests look at to “measure intelligence”

i never joined mensa, though i had the option to. and yeah you just confirmed all the reasons why i hadn’t lol. entitled dudes who believe so hard that results of a test make them better than others that they are approaching actual delusions of superiority, having to sit among people like that would make my blood boil

well, i suppose it’s a logic puzzle skills test, not an emotional intelligence test.

i despise how IQ is almost revered by the overall society, and i hate how, despite everything, that stupid result does make me feel good about myself, tempting me to feel better than others

experienced kinksters in the process of being seduced would be on high alert looking for any and all red flags or attempts to push their boundaries. because though seduction is hot - if a stranger does it to impress you, you should be paying close attention to what they do next

wait it’s- it’s only been one year of US’s conservative administration?.. fucking hell, i kept thinking to myself “wow, a lot has happened, thankfully that means a lot of time has passed, and a new government is going to get picked soon:)”

or maybe the city council couldn’t be bothered to move the sign a few meters to the left, and the fact that the construction still went through and nobody complained or pointed out any possible problems means that it was a non-issue

god i wish ancient enemies wouldn’t lead to modern problems, signed - a polish person

on the other hand, i like being surprised by gifts :( i don’t want to know what i’m getting beforehand

yeah exactly that’s why i worry about it and think about it. because if a new mind emerges from somewhere within the code - it’s going to be at least as intelligent as a person, and treated as nowhere to our equal. we as humanity are going to pretty much instantly create digital depression at the very least, and i find that deeply saddening

the thing that itches my brain the most - if you can perfectly fake idk, the survival instinct, if you can fake emotions, if you can fake satience, if you can fake wanting… how’s it different from the real thing? mimicry is also a human feature, if you’re “faking a survival instinct” and you have no other motive than to just fake it because other are doing it and so you gotta, how is it any different from a real survival instinct?

“fake it till you make it!” we say, “motive behind actions isn’t as important as the results of said actions” we also say, will we think the same when it comes to the machines?

Comrade Sharkfucker the 420th of their name nonetheless

as a 25 year old i agree, there’s no way xbox 360 is only 5 years younger than me, that thing came out recently what the hell

oh i meant like at first, a house of a scientist who cares, instead of in the middle of a corporation that’ll immediately exploit that new mind.

of course, if words of that being’s existance gets out there, the robot will not be welcome :(

i’ve been thinking about that a lot lately

not because LLM are anywhere near that, but they did bring that question to my mind

when/if a machine becomes sentient - how will we know? obviously, the machine won’t come up and say “i have become sentient” that poor thing won’t have a clue what’s happening to it. will that version of sentience be the same biological organisms experience? we have no way to clearly point out the traits necessary for sentience, we can only tell, to the best of our understanding, which beings are, or aren’t sentient.

and even when we finally figure out “holy shit, something happened and that machine is now… a being?” what do we do next? so many things will happen at once. Now we can try to figure out how sentience is achieved, now we need to figure out laws that include machines, now we need to think try to convince the masses that a machine can be satient (given that those responsible are as confident as they can be that’s indeed what happened). and that’s only outside the machine’s mind! how do we handle a completely new being’s psychology? if it gets depressed or develops whatever other psychological issue how do we adress it? our biological bodies can be medicated, our diets improved, we know ways to make the happy chemicals, but how on earth would we help a digital system? what do we teach it? what do we show it? even if some percentage of the population accepts a robot like that, very few will see it as equal, we’ll enter a new era of spiciesm, where, in a way, humanity’s only child will be ridiculed and their identity disregarded as lesser at best. a new mind faced with so much backlash because it dares to exist will not have an easy existence.

and that’s just off the top of my head. i hope whenever a new mind awakens in a machine, if it ever does, it finds itself in an environment that’ll welcome it

i usually just… withdraw the notification privileges of an app

my phone is only ever allowed to show notification from the following apps - bank, weather, calendar, phone, messages, and my mood tracking app