In an interview with the Guardian from his home base in Burlington, Vermont, Sanders urged the Democratic president to inject more urgency into his bid for re-election. He said that unless the president was more direct in recognising the many crises faced by working-class families his Republican rival would win.
“We’ve got to see the White House move more aggressively on healthcare, on housing, on tax reform, on the high cost of prescription drugs,” Sanders said. “If we can get the president to move in that direction, he will win; if not, he’s going to lose.”
The US senator from Vermont added that he was in contact with the White House pressing that point. “We hope to make clear to the president and his team that they are not going to win this election unless they come up with a progressive agenda that speaks to the needs of the working class of this country.”
Sanders’ warning comes at a critical time in American politics. On Monday, Republicans in Iowa will gather for caucuses that mark the official start of the 2024 presidential election.
Biden faces no serious challenger in the Democratic primaries. But concern is mounting over how he would fare against Trump given a likely rematch between them in November.
Every once in awhile I catch myself thinking about how different the world would have been if Bernie was president and it’s just so fucking sad.
I get that all the other problems would still exist, but there would be a glimmer of hope to cling on to.
I do wish he had been president, but I also wonder how much of his agenda he could have gotten past congress, even if Democrats were in charge. Most Democrats are, at best, about preserving the status quo and I hate having to vote for them just to stop the people who will make things even worse.
I voted for Bernie every chance I’ve had, but I genuinely doubt he could have achieved the current level of success much less something better.
Without a Congress full of like-minded people, it would have been a struggle. I think we can have someone like Bernie for president one day, but it’s people being passionate and engaging with every vote and every election.
You underestimate the “soft” or indirect power of the bully pulpit.
Biden uses his speeches to reinforce the status quo and talk about how at our soul we are a good country - something no one except people who already have all their major tangible needs addressed care to hear.
Bernie has always talked about direct and material type needs - like healthcare, rights - not only social, but also economic - and how little Americans have on average when it comes to social safety nets compared to even modest economies across the rest of the industrialized world… issues that a vast majority of disenfranchised would-be voters want addressed, but otherwise have given up hope for.
Never mistake that a populist activates a ton of apathetic voters, whether first time or those long disengaged. It’s how Trump could take a person like Cesar Sayoc, who didn’t give a shit about politics before Trump - and turn him into a sticker covered madman dipshit terrorist. It’s how he convinced a bunch of assholes attending his rally to literally storm the Capitol.
Populism is powerful. And it is only possible to be most effective when a country’s elected leaders have done little to address real material condition type problems, ripening a populace grown restless, desperate and angry for any change… and unfortunately - more likely also to be vulnerable to demagoguery.
Though I agree with you that Bernie may not have been able to do things directly, I can guarantee you he would’ve indirectly gotten more people actively working - both from a citizenry perspective and those who would work to be elected into office themselves for the change that is needed.
Don’t forget that people like AOC literally ran after volunteering for Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign.
That’s a really great point and something I hadn’t really considered.
Remember when debbie Wasserman shutlz stole the dnc nomination from bernie to give it to Hillary?
That one rug pull gave donnie the win.
Remember when this was challenged and the court ruled the Parties have no obligation to play fair
With an election coming up, the Schrodingers Leftist dilemma is in full force, even on Lemmy -
Where we’re simultaneously both powerful enough to be personally behind every Republican win of the past 20 years, and also so insignificant that we must be ridiculed and bullied at every turn to remind us that we have NO PLACE in their party they blame us for not backing.
The best part is that most of the time people hit both sides of the coin in the same comment.
What
Centerists, or people who voted for Biden in the primaries tell progressives and leftists we’re minority viewpoints within the Democrat party. Implying that we have no business trying to influence the direction of the party. These same centerists also blame us when their garbage candidates don’t win in the general election and tell us things like “Biden was a good compromise” or “You got pretty much everything you wanted” despite neither of those things being true.
Centerists got so comfortable winning elections on their own they forgot how to compromise and accuse anyone else trying to negotiate as “throwing a tantrum”.
I can’t decide if you’re doing that on purpose.
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i read this same exact bunch paragraphs earlier. why is it here again?
Or if Gore won
But, But Bernie would’ve turned us into the USSR! /s
It wasn’t just Bernie who got the screws from Democrats. Henry Wallace got the same shaft from Democrats. On the other hand, Republicans don’t have populist fliers, they have fascists fliers who are promoted to the top.
A significant portion of the US population think Biden is a communist, how would Sanders have a chance of winning enough votes?
There’s a reason Trump fought so hard to have Bernie as the democratic nominee in 2020.
a significant portion of the US population thinks trump is a fascist, how would he have a chance of winning enough votes?
there’s a reason hilary fought so hard to have trump as the republican nominee in 2016.
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am i doing it right?
I’m not doing another conversation with you so you can ghost it when it gets to difficult to counter then report my comments.
this is poisoning the well. (a form of ad hominem)
it’s also a lie.
and what i said is true.
and here is some more truth: i don’t want you to respond to anything i ever say.
Modlogs are public.
Anyone who wants to can look at it.
Have a nice day.
i can’t seem to find my reports. can you link them?
Have a nice day.
i hope they do.
Have you seen this video yet?
Bernie’s Legacy w/ Killer Mike https://youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI
Never forget the movement… Not me. Us.
He said that unless the president was more direct in recognising the many crises faced by working-class families his Republican rival would win.
No, The Guardian, you missed the whole fucking point.
The important thing Sanders said is that unless the president was more direct in recognizing the many crises faced by working-class families then our entire democracy would be destroyed.
This is an existential threat, not a goddamned motherfucking horse race, and I am sick and tired of the media supporting fascism by treating it like the latter!
Media is owned by the fascists.
Or, they are aware of the media and they are creating talking points for people to discuss.
I feel isolated thinking this.
Do you not know what the word demagogue means?
I’m curious to see where you’re going with this, so please make your point instead of assuming your question will lead us there on its own.
Given that half the accounts commenting here are incendiary puppet accounts designed to sow outrage, I’m not sure if matters if they do.
Unless the Trump is held accountable, He will most likely win. People’s material needs are important and Dem messaging has basically been hey we showed this graph so you’re not struggling and anything popular you want won’t happen. But everything bad will happen with the other guy. Being not Trump once again is a dangerous way to win the election. Trump’s cultist ass should be getting crushed.
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Yeah, the DNC f-ing unknowingly gave that blowhard dictator his platform.
Very explicitly knowingly *
*FTFY.
Democrats will suspend the constitution THEMSELVES before they go against our corporate overlords and run someone like Bernie.
They didnt care. DNC would rather lose with Hillary/Biden then win with Bernie.
The DNC loves losing. Losing means they can endlessly fundraise and not have to actually govern!
It hurts me to think how much better a position we would be in right now if they hadn’t worked so hard to marginalize him.
Imagine how many lives would have been saved on just the pandemic disinformation alone.
And Bernie would have absolutely demolished cheetolini in the debates.
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Which is why I am a very vocal advocate for eating the rich. They can own all they want inside my belly.
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OG Lemmy :)
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I still remember trying to explain to someone back in my reddit days that many media sources played clips of people saying they are voting for Biden in the primaries because they believe Bernie would lose. The only places saying that were the same media sources.
Rich people would be getting richer slower and the world would be a better place.
Well progressives are to blame for their incessant whining that any candidate that is not 100% progressive is absolute shit. Progressives are bitching about PEOPLE while corporatists are controlling the narrative about ISSUES.
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The whole point is that progressives are getting CRUSHED by the corporatists because the whiners can’t stop eating their own.
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Until progressives learn to play and win the messaging game, we’re wasting our time. But it has to start with positive messaging not negative messaging. Trumpists have that market cornered.
It’s not a messaging issue. Boomers are intentionally voting against progressives and leftists in primaries because boomers are selfish pieces of shit who enjoy fucking over anybody younger than 65 years old.
What on earth are you talking about? Progressives and leftists didn’t lose the 2020 primaries due to infighting. Having multiple candidates running with similar perspectives is a sign of a healthy movement. I wanted Bernie but I would’ve happily supported others.
But Boomers couldn’t resist the chance to vote against progressive and leftist efforts and since Biden was the only viable procorporate trash candidate they rallied around him.
Fuck the Boomers.
Maybe he would have lost his aura because he wouldn’t have had the means to do what he says should be done.
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Sanders not burning his own party cost him much of his clout. Frankly they deserved it for what they did to him and his show of weakness backing the warhawk Clinton was awful to see from someone who usually has so much fire.
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Bernie’s moral code includes supporting his party’s “democratic” ways, as anything else would be a coup in its own right.
Even if I believe he’s off the mark in doing that, I admire him for it. It’s rare to see these days.
It still blows my mind he wasn’t taken into custody for sedition ON Jan 6th.
I think future historians will point to that as a major turning point in our nation’s decline.
i think it’s more of a milestone. we haven’t actually changed trajectory at all.
As someone active in politics since the late 80s, I can say we have certainly lost a number of our civil liberties, fascists feel emboldened enough to go full masks-off on the floor of Congress, and we just had a fucking soft coup attempt, so yea our trajectory has been on the downward side of parabolic since Ragass Reagan was allowed to ooze into the white house.
can i interest you in some anarchist zines?
Absolutely yes! Though it might be hard to find issues I don’t at least have mimeographed copies of.
It’s not wise for a government to signal so hard that the choices of the common person are irrelevant. In those times free speech comes in the form of ballistic cocktails.
Had to look up mimeographs.
Back in the day all good anarchist boys and girls had blue ink stained hands and smelled like solvent.
Biden really needs to understand how unpopular he is. Not that he will, but I can dream.
I really don’t want another run of Trump pardoning psychopaths and doing what he wants. But democracy is basically in the hands of Dems and they scrap by when it comes to connecting with people or even giving them a vision post beating Trump.
The only way Trump is “connecting” with people is by telling them grandiose lies and making impossible promises.
Annoyingly, a shitton of people are willing to go along with those lies without thinking about it or questioning anything.
If only the “good guys” would do what the voters they depend on to win are demanding instead of trying to court Republican votes.
That’d be the least of our problems, I think.
Sure he’s unpopular with progressives and the youth.
Most blue voters are older people more interested in the status quo and in any other country with a sane Overton window would be called conservatives.
And the idealism of youth can easily convince them that a 3rd party vote is a meaningful protest against the DNC’s lack of progressive action.
Biden won’t win without progressives and youth. Pandering to the center is how you lose. Trump won bc he did not play to the center.
Just more evidence how monumentally short-sighted and ignorant a huge chunk of humanity is.
Either Biden wins or we don’t have elections anymore and trumpty dumpty is really masks off about it now on international television,
And if that happens, there’s gonna be a lot of ‘progressives and youth’ regretting their choices when donny spray-tan invokes martial law.
I’m sure their idealism will keep them warm and safe when the purges start.
Let’s say Biden wins. What will you, US citizens, do when the next Trump comes? Keep voting the lesser evil?
>Either Biden wins or we don’t have elections anymore
do you have some proof of this?
Project 2025 and the fact that donny spray-tan has multiple times in the last few weeks stated on public and on camera that he will be a day 1 dictator.
p2025 doesn’t say they plan on not having elections any more, and neither did trump
I have been pre-emptively severely depressed for this.
It’s kinda crazy since, what will the other wlsode do to help? There is a strong history of actively harming everyone but the ultra rich.
It’s like being mad at my boss because he isn’t telling me how he’s going to help me on my career progression, and deciding I’ll switch bosses to a corrupt prison guard instead.
The danger isn’t dems voting R.
It’s poor turnout.
And when poor turnout happens, Republicans win.
Unfortunately the way I see it is Biden will lose for two reasons:
- Hes old af
- Inflation
Regardless of policies or how terrible the alternative is. I dont think most people are going to think much past “Things are expensive now, and oh great a super old white dude”.
Love how they can blame inflation on Joe Brandon, but they refused to blame 45 for anything for 4 years.
Different types of people. Its a shame Democrats have such an uphill battle to rally around candidates because those voters hold their leaders accountable, almost to a fault. The republican voter base is made of people who are basically in a cult, or are one issue voters.
Love how they can blame inflation on Joe Brandon, but they refused to blame 45 for anything for 4 years.
Because the Dems were not yelling that from the rooftops like they should have been, so perception is set as that it’s Biden’s fault.
Inflation started under Trump and Trump is just as old
Inflation started under Trump and Trump is just as old
That’s not the perception though.
Why is that the perception?
Hint: Corps are at record high profits as is wealth inequality.
Honestly I hope he keels over and Harris gets nominated.
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His first play will be cannabis being decriminalized.
Man I would love to see this, but its one of those things that I will believe when I see. I hope I have to eat my words on that too. Even if so, I dont think decriminalization would mean much to people in terms of getting out to vote. Most people who are really passionate about this over other issues have had the states handle it for them already. Dems waited too long for Federal Decriminalization to be a big motivator in a national election in my opinion.
Agreed. Dems like to save popular law changes to package with other utterly deplorable actions.
They also divy it up so that it’s not really a victory. “We legalized weed*!”
* For everyone over the age of 65, anybody who was born rich, if you own three patagonia jackets and people who attended an invitation only dinner with a bunch of billionaires.
Then moderates turn around and whine “Why doesn’t anyone give credit to Democrats for all the good they’ve done???”
You have made me realize the full extent of Citizens United.
Indulgences are a thing again. Just secular this time.
Too little too late.
If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.
Downvote all wish, the fact remains: had the Bernie bros not thrown a temper tantrum, there’s a good chance 2016 could have turned out differently.
Disagreeing does not make this untrue.
When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn’t ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn’t conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was “their turn”, that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn’t say “we don’t need your vote” to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.
This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.
When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.
You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.
If you’re acknowledging you need our votes in the general then made better choices in the primaries. Don’t elect procorporate trash in the primaries like Joe Biden.
The whole ‘bernie bros’ voting red is a digital propaganda point started by t_d, and spun off into 3 different Bernie subreddits that coincidentally were all modded by people from t_d.
They worked tirelessly to flood facebook so it LOOKED like ‘bernie bros are gonna vote against their best interests in spite’.
I mean there were a few actual progressives that flip flopped but most of them voted Jill Stein.
Bullshit. There are people on here all day proclaiming genocide Joe in the name of the left. Stfu
Dude… voting polls shows they stayed home. Not that they voted red. They DIDN’T VOTE.
It’s proven.
And:
Are you deliberately trying to shift the goalposts? I’m not talking about ‘people who stayed home’ because it is functionally useless to try and estimate the absence of considering a third or more of eligible voters just simply never turn up in any election.
The claim was disenfranchised Bernie supporters switched their votes to trumpty dumpty. The articles you linked do not support that, which is why you shifted to ‘stayed home’
That is not intellectual honestly.
Talk about shifting goalposts…. I’m not talking about Bernie bros voting for Trump, you are. I never was, yet YOU comment to me about to change the subject to what YOU wanted it to be.
I was talking about everyone staying home and not voting like the “gEnOciDe jOe” people now. are now. Like the Bernie bros- they got butthurt over something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
I’m done arguing about this. It’s pointless here. Lemmy is as bad as Reddit when it comes to hive mind mentality.
Yep, the 27,000 users on Lemmy.world are gonna sway this election. No doubt. /s
Oh man, how did you slip past security?
>Bernie bros- they got butthurt iver something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
>Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
wrong on basically every account.
Having contempt for voters is like blaming the weather when it rains. Maybe the candidate should have came prepared with an umbrella, but here we are.
I have contempt for non-voters.
Centrist Democrats would rather lose and have a hereditary dictatorship run by the Trump family than treat workers with respect.
Because they’re just rich people. When are people going to realize they’re all just rich people. None of them will ever do anything for you. We can either eat them or die.
What do you think? Are they bitter from a life of uselessness and moral squalor or tender from never working on anything of value, soft like a baby lamb kept out of the light? I think about it sometimes at night when my tum-tum rumbles
Your comment seems detached from reality, Biden appointed people to the national labor board and they changed the rules so that when companies try to do their anti-union fuckery, unions get automatically implemented:
https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-workers-rights-back/
This is why we’ve been seeing so many successful unionizations and strikes lately.
I think the operative word in his post was “centrist.” By that, I’m sure he means center to right Dems like Pelosi and Manchin.
The corporatist profit loving ones who would rather climb a ladder to tell a lie than stand on solid ground and speak truth.
https://fortune.com/2024/01/03/members-of-congress-profit-from-stocks-2023/
Neither of these people, nor the dozens of lawmakers like them, support unions in a real way. They care about money first and appearance of support to their constituents second. Pelosi keeps getting reelected because she’s the biggest money maker for the DNC.
Pelosi keeps getting elected because she’s one of the best Representatives and speakers in the US history. What a fucking muppet
Yeah she’s the best for rich people. The rest of us find her to be a procorporate piece of shit just like Joe Biden.
And minorities, and LGBT and poor people
She has a long and storied record
Pelosi has not been good for poor people or LGBT. We live in a capitalist society and the damage she’s done to the rights of everybody who works for a living far outpaces any good she has done. She’s a corrupt piece of shit.
You can’t cherry pick Biden’s appointments and claim worker support. Biden also appointed Janet Yellen and reappointed Jerome Powell who are both in an outright war with the working class. Fuck Joe Biden.
Bernie is in Biden’s back pocket, he’s incredibly influential to the presidency right now. Bernie has helped Biden come up with nearly every progressive policy he’s rolled out. This statement actually will mean something.
Bernie has helped Biden come up with nearly every progressive policy he’s rolled out.
Which ones?
He played an important part in pressuring rail companies to give workers more sick time and remove the advanced notice clause, the Inflation Reduction Act, Build Back Better, the infrastructure bill, and several executive orders.
Fuck Joe Biden for blocking the rail strike.
I’m sure Biden and “his team” want to win, but not at any cost. Certainly not at the cost of taxing his donors and using the money to help the working class.
How would that policy be enacted even if they did? Congress certainly will not pass it.
Of course congress wouldn’t pass anything like that. Ultimately they all play for the same team-- Capital. The “bully pulpit” and executive orders are largely reserved for things like supporting genocide, and antagonizing our geopolitical rivals.
Even a clearly over reaching executive order that immediately gets smacked down by the courts would relieve the pressure.
Lemmy is largely populated by children who lack the intellectual maturity to appreciate that democracy is about compromise and that winning elections doesn’t mean that you get to do everything you want.
There’s this myth that somehow Biden can just wave a magic wand and get everything he wants, but he’s not doing it because in spite of being arguably the most powerful man on the planet, he’s secretly in the pocket of corporate America. It’s a very childish view of the world and is entirely disconnected from reality.
This is an extremely common trope from establishment Democrats who like to pretend the left is just naive children. Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Yes, we get politics. Yes, we understand that Biden can’t get everything he wants. Yes, we get that Republican obstruction is a thing.
Now, here are some things for you to try and grasp. Most of the time, Biden and the Democratic establishment is leading the opposition against the left. The establishment also plays dirty to get their unpopular candidates past the primary, then blames the left when they lose in the general.
It’s not generally the politically active left that doesn’t vote blue. Most of us are well practiced at holding our noses at the ballot box. It’s normal non-political Americans who see no point in getting engaged when neither party even speaks to their problems.
Say it louder for those in the back.
Say it loud for those in the front too.
Both parties in the US are in the pocket of corporate America to some degree (Citizens United made it legal anyways), it’s just that one party actually cares about having a functioning country with a decent living standard for people and the other will happily burn it to the ground to hurt minorities and gain short-term power. What you see is the frustration in the general US population that sees the Republicans openly ruining things while the Dems have their hands tied by the underhanded tactics Republicans use and talk about “reaching across the aisle” and compromising with the fascists. Stuff gets done, but you often don’t hear about it or openly see the effects of Elizabeth Warren taking corporations to account for their actions compared to the 1.3 anti-trans laws per day that Republicans tried to pass in the first 6 months of last year.
Says the immature child posting on Lemmy…
Yeah, and democracy isn’t perfect.
We’ve seen that from the very beginning of the US.
Who knows what’s happening in their heads… but my guess is they think that once the ‘3rd party people’ fall back in line they will regain the lead so they don’t have to worry. And the rest is Biden being as establishment as you can get so obviously he’s not interested in any radical policy changes.
He’s right. Biden is coasting into this election. Reminds me of Hillary in 2016.
So odd how dems always fumble it away.
Eh, Obama went hard on election stuff and so did Bill. This hubris seems recent and tied to a belief that Trump isn’t a serious candidate.
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the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.
Gotta love this 'murican culture of nurturing the worst of the worst then wondering why it backfires. Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and the Colombian drug cartels come to mind.
It’s not like hes won before, right? /s
That’s because the corporatists that control the messaging want some periodic austerity to keep the working class in line. “You should be happy with what we give you” or something like that.
It’s almost like it’s on purpose… Like the offense and defense of the capital class…
Surely the people that own everything wouldn’t use the government to get what they want.
Of course not! It’s the best democracy in the world, anyone can buy it!
What, regulatory capture is real? Surely voting harder will fix that.
Yes… odd
Rock on, Bernie
Just a quick fyi here:
Kudos to the Guardian for calling Trump a demogogue. At least they say the truth when no North American news source will.
That’s just bullshit. Many North American publications have called him far worse than a demagogue. You’re saying something that “feels” right but that isn’t actually true. It’s part and parcel with how disconnected from reality so many of us have become.
Communist Trolls: The left doesn’t say enough bad shit about Trump!
Left and center news calling him a white supremacist, neo-nazi courting, racist, rapist, cheating, fat fuck, and now smelly fascist for 8 years now.
Suckers for propaganda: Uhhh… Biden supports Jews exterminating Muslims! I’m helping!!! Why didn’t all of America vote for Bernie! It was the evil Democrats! It couldn’t be that he was more popular and appealed to the sensitivities of anyone over the age of 40! Nor could Bernie court enough young voters to care to vote.
This coming from someone that’s voted.for him every chance I got. Which was exactly once lol. Bernie hasn’t challenged him for the nomination at all. There’s a reason why, and it isn’t because he’s cowtowed.
Valid criticism. The left has been brilliant at ignoring what used to be their core problem field.
lol democrats are not the left
In the context of elections where a two party system guarantees that any potential third party will be lose - yes, they are.
There’s far right and center right. It’s time to stop calling neoliberals “the left.” Call them center right or even just center, but stop enabling the illusion of democracy by calling Democrats “the left.”
Neither are any working class voters who pick Trump because Biden doesn’t inspire them.
With an election coming up, the Schrodingers Leftist dilemma is in full force, even on Lemmy -
Where we’re simultaneously both powerful enough to be personally behind every Republican win of the past 20 years, and also so insignificant that we must be ridiculed and bullied at every turn to remind us that we have NO PLACE in their party they blame us for not backing.
The best part is that most of the time people hit both sides of the coin in the same comment.
You can look at my post history and see I’m pretty far left, but I’ll be pinching my nose and voting for Joe Brandon, the reason the GOP has built so much power over the years is because their base always pinches their nose and toe the party line. Voting for the lesser evil is still keeping less evil out of the world.
Voting for less evil is still addition of evil. Everyone parrots this “blue no matter who” shit but dems have done nothing to stop fascism or serve the needs of citizens, because they benefit from those systems and citizens going without. Voting mid right instead of far right is still voting for the right, voting Democrat doesn’t stop the march to fascism, it just delays the official kick off date by 4 years as Republicans continue to seize power unchecked from the bottom up.
I’ve always voted third party and will continue to do so cause I’m over this vote between fascism and fascism but with a rainbow pin on its cap. If Democrats wanted the votes to beat Trump, they should have run Bernie who won the primary in 2016 instead of running status quo Hillary then having a court decree that their voters are, legally, not shit to them.
I’ve said it before and I’ll keep shouting it from the rooftops - if leftists are so fucking important to Democrats maybe they should stop dedicating their lives to insulting and belittling us. 🤷
I don’t wanna vote for Biden, so I’m going to twiddle my thumbs while other people vote for wish.com Hitler.
“I’m so against moving away from my right wing duopoly I’m going to call the guy who’s only a few shades less right wing and has done nothing to stem the rise of fascism because his party benefits from the same mechanisms being exploited by fascists ‘oUr OnLy ChAnCe.’”
Voting for Biden doesn’t stop fascism, it delays it for 4 years as dems continue to turn a blind eye to fascists overriding every system from the bottom up until next time.
If you vote third party you have no right to cry when Trump win. You are as much responsible for it as anyone who didnt vote.
If you vote Democrat you have no right to cry when Trump win. You are responsible for voting for a party that explicitly demonizes half of their supposed base as they screech at us for not voting for them.
If Biden doesn’t at least say he wants to do something about housing affordability then I won’t be voting. I’ve voted blue my entire life.
It’s not the leftists. Oh the Democrats blame it on them. But we saw this in 2016 with Hillary. It’s a hurt working class that feels like they’re being ignored.
“leftists” is just what the centerists are willing to call us even if it’s not technically correct. The point is they blame us for not winning the general elections but outright vote against us in the primaries. It’s fucking pathetic.
Sad to think that we coulda had Bernie as Prez.
Call for a ceasefire Bernie.
“I strongly support and wish and hope that the United States will support the United Nations resolution that was vetoed, that we vetoed the other day,” Sanders said. “That was a humanitarian pause, humanitarian cease-fire, that would have by the way called for the release of all of the hostages held by Hamas, and would have allowed the U.N. and other agencies to begin to supply the enormous amount of humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people.”
However, he added, “in terms of a permanent cease-fire, I don’t know how you can have a permanent cease-fire when Hamas, who has said before October 7th and after October 7th that they want to destroy Israel ― they want a permanent war. I don’t know how you have a permanent cease-fire with an attitude like that.”
Weak shit tbh
Better than nothing, but it was a pause regardless of him trying to spin it as a ceasefire.
The rare W for Senator Sanders right there and now he is backpedaling so his base will still buy his books in the future.
Sanders is stuck in the bygone era of Labour Zionism and doesn’t seem to realize that his statement about Hamas applies to modern Israel too - you can’t have a permanent cease-fire with a settler-colonial entity, who has made it very clear that they want to annex the territory.
It is strange that the the American radical left abandoned Labour Zionism after the USSR conducted the trials like the Doctors’ plot & decided selling weapons to Arabs to kill Jews was the way to go. Solidarity is quickly dispensed with when principles are weak. Maybe Sanders error is the same as people supporting Houthis now?
The American radical left grew an anti-colonial character alongside the rise of Black Nationalism and the American Indian Movement, the breakup was inevitable because Labour Zionists were trying to build socialism in an apartheid colorismo ethnostate on stolen land 🤷♀️
Without any international left holding them back, Revisionist Zionism conquered Israel and now they’re just openly fascist genocidal freaks. Sanders still thinks there’s a rational Zionist entity to negotiate with, but that ship sailed a long time ago.
To be fair, attention span is short. Anything the administration does too early before the election will be completely forgotten by November.
True!
Can’t pass up an opportunity to blame progressives and leftists can you? It’s not that Joe Biden is a procorporate piece of shit. No no, it’s those young 40 year old kids with their tiktoks that are the problem.
Get real Boomer. Biden was a terrible candidate and anyone who voted for him in the 2020 primaries is a selfish piece of shit.
Didn’t single out anyone. Attention spans are low across the spectrum.
I didn’t vote for him in the 2020 primary. I’m all for election reform to move away from FPTP and the lesser-evil voting strategy it necessitates. But as it stands, voting is FPTP in this election, so I’m definitely going to vote for the proto-corporatist over the fascist, and I’m going to encourage actions that make the fascist staying out of power more likely.
Single out the selfish piece of shit boomers who voted for Joe Biden in the primaries.
Whatever you say bud. You can complain, or play the hand you’re dealt. Can’t do much about it not. If you disagree with what happened, get out ahead of primaries next time and promote the candidates you like. If more people vote for another candidate, that’s just democracy.
Buddy, if you didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries who did you vote for? And why aren’t you willing to acknowledge there was no good reason to vote for Biden in the primaries?
I voted for Bernie, but alas he did not win the primary. More people voted for Biden, so he did. That’s the hand we are dealt.
I’m only saying there’s no benefit to complaining about it now. Biden is shitty, but Trump is shittier. So it goes.
So are you willing to call out the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries for the selfish pieces of shit they are?
This is the problem, Biden is a historically pro-union president and people don’t seem to recognize it. His appointments to the national labor board are responsible for the resurgence of unions were seeing.
Actions speak louder than words, Jack.
Here’s a summary of the many actions Biden has taken that you appear ignorant of, from the IBEW:
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
And you seem to be blind to notion that he’s likely going cause our side to lose. We need someone livelier and more in touch than his orange opponent.
I’m fully aware of what Biden’s stated “accomplishments” are. Just like Obama, he hasn’t done enough. And now, he’s propping up state sponsored genocide. So, no thanks unless I have no other choice.
You do have other choices, however they either aren’t viable or they are worse.
Rare sane voice in the mass of users that shift with the whims of the GOP.
Dems are just mid rights who don’t care if you’d rather slave away and not afford healthcare or housing with a masculine pronoun instead of feminine (or vice versa)
It’s the same with the AFD in Germany. People were so busy insulting those who vote AFD and telling them how stupid they are that now even more people vote AFD. I wonder how anyone thought this was going to make them vote for a different party?
Centerists literally screaming at people they have to vote Democrat because a vote for a third party will destroy democracy.
These are the same people who voted for Biden in the primaries intentionally to block progressive and leftist candidates from getting elected and now they want to act like we’re responsible for propping up their garbage candidate.
