Checked Alejandra Caraballo, she is apparently a civil rights attorney and pro-queer. What she says should indeed be correct.
Bailey also is associated with far-right idiots, so yeah. Littman also hasn’t studied trans people before and based her study on anecdotal experience rather than actual in-depth research; and she didn’t survey the actual trans people either about their experiences, and pathologised it.
Verdict, yeah spread the word among fellow queers to not partake in that study, and don’t tell others who might be sympathetic to fascists.
Littman’s the one who went to a terf-parent forum, and polled the people there about whether or not they thought that their kids “becoming” trans was a sudden thing or not, right?
Because obviously rapid onset gender dysphoria makes more sense than people not sharing their experiences with their hateful parents.
Yep, that’s correct.
Ironically I myself might fall under the group she allegedly thinks exists. But a critical part she (probably intentionally) misses, is that I didn’t “turn” trans because of online communities. People don’t “turn” trans, but explore their identities and figure it out, it’s a long process. The community merely helped me in figuring out what all my things together were. And that’s why the group she invented on the spot, doesn’t exist.
Before exposure to more queer stuff, I already knew I didn’t like having body hair, and long for having a womb, and so on… but I didn’t have a “name” for those together. I only knew I felt meh in my body and didn’t really feel ‘at home’. When I finally started to figure it out, it gradually ‘clicked’ and helped me!
To take a parallel. Just because formal English doesn’t distinguish “thou” and “you” anymore*, it doesn’t mean that English speakers don’t understand the concept of multiple people.
* Yeah, I know of ‘ye, you lot, tha, yinz, (all) y’all’, etc., shuttup shuttup ඞ. Bear with me for a second.
Or like how spoken Hungarian, Chinese, and Estonian do not distinguish gendered pronouns, instead having a neutral one. That doesn’t mean those people don’t know what a man, woman, or enby is.
And to hit the nail in the coffin even more. If a language like Russian distinguishes ‘blue’ and ‘breen’ (blue-green) as standalone colours in their own right, does that mean they can distinguish them and anglophones can’t?
No. People are familiar with them. It’s just that not all know the word for the concept. Knowing the concept-word helps in understanding, though, and so it’s time for a nice xkcd (explanation included for the lazy).
I don’t care if I’ve ranted too much, get a nice cookie here and enjoy. 🍪
The anti trans crowd aren’t unequipped to describe what they are seeing. They aren’t interested in the journey so they don’t look at the map. They don’t see the inner journey of doubt, realization, to empowering actualization.
To them a person just decides they are going to be someone new and it becomes taboo to ever reference the person they knew. They are uncurious about what happened to that person and don’t know that what looks like a decision is a realization. No one walks them through the nightmare period of endless self doubt and denial. They have no clue about any part of the struggle.
The real heart break is that trans art is amazing at sharing the experience but the anti trans folks are uncurious and siloed in their media consumption so they don’t explore anything they don’t know.
I’m probably an egg (by which I mean I’m pretty sure I’m trans and would love to take a pill right now to make it so that I had always been a dude, but I don’t know that I’d take one that turned me into a man now, because I don’t know if it’s worth it to explain it to everyone. I also don’t think I’m actually experiencing dysphoria, just aware that I’m probably a man. I think that counts as an egg for some people, trans and closeted for others, and probably cis [lol] for transmedicalists).
If I ever do come out, it’s probably going to seem sudden as fuck to a bunch of people, because I’ve already thought about it for years, so I’ll have everything planned out as efficiently as possible and ready to go the second I decide to transition. I’ll come out to people after I’ve started hormones and right before it becomes noticeable, which I’ll time to coincide with a top surgery (my mother died young of breast cancer that was diagnosed when she was within a few years of my age, and I’m medically eligible for a full mastectomy). That might be wishful thinking, but at least from here, I think I can be patient about it.
The important indicator imo isn’t dysphoria per se, but euphoria. If you for example were to feel fine either way but feel happier being a guy, then that’s a good one.
The way I came out was basically figure out how certain I was of it, then tell to my most trusted people, then spread outward.
Edit: you also don’t have the obligation to explain it to anyone. Just as nobody is owed to explain to others that they’re cis, so too is nobody owed to explain their transhood. It does help to communicate, though, but think about it at your own pace.
Only you yourself can decide for yourself who you are. Experiment, try out, do what helps. Whatever you feel best, be that guy-, gal-, enbyhood or whatever else, it’s all valid. Feel free to ask me anything!
Yeah it would have been easy for my parents to think it came on suddenly, hell I had a beard when I came out. I was also heavily involved in trans forums to the point my username was well known to the people there every day, I had been out to my friends for nearly a year, I’d known I wasn’t cis for over two years, and I’d been struggling with dysphoria and the desire to be a girl/woman my entire life. It’s just that I’d tried to go all in on masculinity in the hopes it would help and it didn’t
guy who’s really into greasing his hair and listening to elvis, discovers elvis impersonators and “suddenly” starts wanting to impersonate elvis.
we really have to put a stop to this rampant presleyism, it’s harming our children
He ain’t nothing but a hound dog!
At this point any US org or system gathering information on non-cis people might be feeding into Palantir’s systems for repression use.
Is Palantir a US government mass surveillance thing? If so, then congrats to whoever named the thing Palantir…
Private US corp. Used by various gov’ts around the world, the US included. It’s how gov’ts can both “not spy on their citizens” while end up having the ability to do so and use the info - by buying it from a private corpo.
It’s Peter Theil. Where have you been?
In Switzerland
You’re still affected.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/war-peace/why-palantir-is-becoming-a-risky-bet-for-switzerland/90666335
Zurich serves as a hub for US tech company Palantir’s business relations.
Not just US, most governments, even the Swedish police.
Oh wow, just found this really interesting article about the Swiss perspective on the thing. Oh how very Switzerland…
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/war-peace/why-palantir-is-becoming-a-risky-bet-for-switzerland/90666335
There are no dates on this post or sources. I can’t find that this survey exists. I confirmed Bailey is still a professor at Northwestern University.
https://psychology.northwestern.edu/people/faculty/core/profiles/michael-bailey.html
The reddit profile for the user listed has nothing.
https://www.reddit.com/user/AYAGDOS/comments/
Anyone else have any info on this? Was this a survey that already happened? That reddit user may have just been created for this survey a year ago and it’s old news.
At a minimum, someone with really bad judgement, who cares more about making headlines than doing high-quality research, and who shouldn’t be trusted to treat the subjects of this study with respect.
Bailey was the Northwestern professor who had a live demo of a reciprocating sex toy, put on by a volunteer and her partner. It was optional to attend the demo, students were over 18 and allegedly informed on what they were going to see.
He’s also been repeatedly called out for not properly informing participants in his studies. One accusation of sleeping with one of his research subjects. And toed the ethics line on writing evaluation letters for candidates of sex assignment surgery when he didn’t hold a license.
His wikipedia article links to sources.
In later research he also examined the phenomenon known as gaydar with Gerulf Rieger
Bailey was the Northwestern professor who had a live demo of a reciprocating sex toy, put on by a volunteer and her partner. It was optional to attend the demo, students were over 18 and allegedly informed on what they were going to see.
How is this a problem? Do we live in a free society or not?
Can we raise the standard of criticism in a community dedicated to science to scientific integrity & facts rather than throwing mud? These objections look like the latter & that wikipedia article isn’t panning out your claims.
A transgender woman whom he described in the book filed a complaint with Northwestern University alleging that her many discussions with Bailey about his view of trans women and the book he was writing made her a non-consensual subject of IRB-regulated research by Bailey, and that during this time, she had consensual sex with him. Northwestern found no basis for the complaint.
Pretty frivolous, no, to claim a book qualifies as IRB-regulated research & to self-anoint oneself as subject of it? Worse to present the accusation as credible by filtering out all the relevant information. More omissions:
Alice Dreger, a bioethicist, published an account of the controversy in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. According to Dreger, the allegations of misconduct could accurately be described as “harassment”, and an “anti-Bailey campaign”. Dreger wrote that of the four women who complained to Northwestern, two acknowledged that they were aware they would be included in Bailey’s book in their letter to the university. The other two were not described in the book. Dreger also reported that while there was no definitive evidence to refute the allegation of sexual misconduct, datestamps on e-mails between Bailey and his ex-wife indicated that he was at her home looking after their two children at the time the misconduct was said to have occurred.
Regarding case evaluation letters
however, the department did not pursue those allegations, as he did not accept remuneration for the services and therefore did not violate the law.
Ironically, those accusations seem to mirror what you’re doing:
The book generated considerable controversy. A paper on the controversy was written by Alice Dreger, a bioethicist and historian, known for her support of intersex rights. Dreger included additional details in Galileo’s Middle Finger, an analysis of modern clashes between scientists and activists whose beliefs are challenged by them. In her documented account of the Bailey case, she concluded that a small group of self-styled activists tried to bury a politically challenging scientific theory by attacking Bailey: “These critics, rather than restrict themselves to the argument over the ideas, had charged Bailey with a whole host of serious crimes,” but that “what they claimed about Bailey simply wasn’t true.”
Misleading, antagonistic rhetoric of this sort is antithetical to the expectations of a community that purports to support science & is worthy of the strongest contempt. Not linking to the article doesn’t seem accidental. By attempting to mislead us, you’ve also wasted our time. You & your upvoters are an utter disappointment: we should expect a focus on science, not on throwing mud.
Conveniently ignoring when I gave my opinion. “Cancelling” is just free speech about white dudes. No need to white knight for him.
At a minimum, someone with really bad judgement
Yeah confirmed by the fact they call it “gender dysphoria” .
Wait, I read about dysphoria 10 times a day on the fedi, how is it a TERF dog whistle?
It is a valid term used by trans people to describe their own feelings (see the gender dysphoria bible for example). The other person must have gotten something mixed up…
What they’re getting at is they don’t ask for people who are trans, they ask for people “navigating gender dysphoria”.
It’s like someone using “females” instead of women.
When you choose that framing, it’s often a sign of something deeper at play…
Ah yes, now I get it! Thanks :)
