I’m about to paint a PLA 3D print for the first time, and while there is some advice on what primer to use (an automotive etching plastic primer seems to be it), I’ve not see anything but hand wavy “add a layer of clear coat” for sealing.

Does anyone have any advice on a matte finish clear coat product that works well, as much so I know I have the right class/type of product?

Also, is there much difference between the products from hobby shops vs hardware stores? I can imagine the hobby ones are at a consistency for painting fine details, but it may also all be the same thing.

Thanks

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    So… if it’s something that’s going to set on a shelf or something like a wh figurine, you don’t need to prime with acrylic or enamel.

    If it’s something that’s going the handled (like say, a cosplay prop,) your mileage will vary.

    I’d recommend printing off small test parts to see how the paint cures and such. I use small shot-glass-size vase mode prints. (Any one the vases will work, but I suggest anything with more complex contours and a few hard edges.)

    Then they get double use as a glue pot when I’m doing glueups with barges cement or similar adhesives (and painting too.)

    If you find you do need primer… the stuff I’ve found to work best is rustoleum filler-primer. (Yes. The spray can.) you’ll lose surface details, since it’s designed to fill that in, but makes a wonderful foundation.

    Also scuff the surface with a coarse sand paper before you do anything else. This will give whatever base layer you’re using a bit more to bite into.

  • IMALlama@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    This is less about 3D printing and more about “what material will adhear to the layer before it?” For example, using both water and oil based products is generally not a great idea. If want to use both then a layer of sealer will help.

    How you want to apply the paint (eg air brush vs bristle brush) will greatly impact which paints and finishes you can choose. It will also greatly impact your final finish/look.

    In most cases no need to “seal” paint. In fact, depending on the type of paint it might be a sealer itself. A sealer can protect the paint below it from say UV light or water. A sealer can help you achieve a higher gloss finish. However, the paint itself might already be durable, UV stable, and have the sheen you want.

    The question isn’t which store sells better paint, it’s what kind of paint do you want to use? After that the choice of store is largely a question of who carries that type of paint with an added wrinkle or brand variation. For example, you’re not going to find miniature airbrush paint at a big box store and you’re probably not going to find automotive paint at either.

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      15 hours ago

      It’s also important to note that things like rub n buff and metallic paints lose their metallic finish if you use most clear coats on them.

      Iirc there’s some kinds of clear coat that are fine, but it’s like one product/brand.

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    20 hours ago

    These are all valid concerns, and I’m happy to throw my 2¢ in, if it helps. I’ve been printing for a while now, (FDM, MSLA) and even went semi-pro for several years (9 printers, 40+ hrs/wk), but still take this with a grain of salt, of course. Every use case is unique, and there are a wide variety of products and methods out there, so don’t be afraid to experiment to find what works best for your project. 🫡

    That said, I’ve had better than average success with Rust-Oleum spray varnishes for all but the most demanding/complicated projects. Be patient (don’t rush), keep the coats thin/light, always use PPE & proper ventilation (no joke), and test print whenever you feel the need to try a new tech/process out.

    So, first off:

    1. What’s the PLA model going to be used for?

    2. How durable does the varnish itself need to be for the intended use of said model?

    3. Are there moving parts that need to be masked before spraying so the clear coat doesn’t gum up from friction?

    4. Indoor or outdoor use? (ie. Avg temps, weather, etc.)

    🖖🏽🤓

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      18 hours ago

      Thank you for this. I’m actually trying a Rust-Oleum primer for this, so I’ll check out their varnish too. And I’ll get setup PPE wise.

      Regarding the print, this one is a pirate chest to be used as a money box for my son. Other than the hinge there are no really moving parts, but I expect it’ll get banged around a bit, hence thinking I need the clear coat at all.

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        4 hours ago

        No worries, that seems fairly straightforward overall in that the abutting hinge surfaces could go unvarnished but sanded, (I’d use dot stickers, if you don’t feel like fiddling w/ hand-cut tape pieces) followed by a light dusting of graphite (ie. shave some pencil lead into a creased post-it and then sift it onto them [and into the rod’s channel, for inc. smooth action]). The rest can be clear coated to your preference. (leave said masking on until this step is complete & dry cured, fyi [24+ hrs])

        FWIW, gloss first and then matte for super durability as IIRC, the gloss particulate is torus-shaped whereas the matte is spheroid, and this method nests them neatly for a better bond. It’s how I’ve sealed my TTRPG pieces for decades, and while possibly anecdotal, the results are night & day in my experience. 🤘🏼

        Oh, and if it needs mentioning: do not construct it fully and then varnish the whole model in one piece. That will glue the thing shut. 🫡

  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
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    21 hours ago

    I’ve used Minwax Polycrylic Protective Finish Spray for Wood, Clear Satin

    A few times with good result. Not too glossy.

    I usually use it after staining wood pla but have used it over paint as well

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    19 hours ago

    I’ve never actually needed primer to paint PLA unless the paint I was using was terrible, and wouldn’t have stuck to the primer very well, either. Tamiya’s acrylics have been entirely issue-free for me, both with a brush, or thinned and airbrushed, and they’re not that expensive, but I’ve also had acceptable results with random fifteen-year-old tubes of really cheap acrylics that were sold more as a children’s toy than a serious paint (although a lot of these tubes had gone bad in that time) and with Humbrol and Revel acrylics and enamels (although their acrylics come in pots that don’t seal very well, so it’s not that uncommon for them to be already cured when you first open them - if you’re buying liquid acrylics for model painting, Tamiya is a better choice).

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    22 hours ago

    I’ve not see anything but hand wavy “add a layer of clear coat” for sealing.

    Hmm, maybe I’m mistaken but is this not pretty sound advice? Or is the implication that you want this paint job to be matte and coarse (in which case, clear coat to start and perhaps sanding after a few paint coats?)

    Otherwise, I wish I could help, I don’t have much experience printing PLA.

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      19 hours ago

      It is good advice I think. I guess my question was, do they mean any clear varnish, like Deluxe Spray Gloss Clear, or is there something else I should be using.