It smells terribly, exposes others to negative health effects without consent and is one of the biggest causes of littering. Simply put it is a major nuisance with no benefits apart from profits for the tobacco/drug industry and addicts getting their high.
Could probably extend that to anywhere around minors in general too.
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If you want an unpopular opinion: ban car exhaust in all public spaces. Watch people go from “second hand smoke kills!” to “are you fucking crazy?”.
Oh for sure! It’s a well known problem that’s been subject to increasingly strict regulation (for good reason), and modern cars are a significantly less pollutant. Ending the addiction to fossil fuels would be a huge win, but also a much larger undertaking than preventing the effects of SHS.
You did exactly what he wrote. I also prefer banning cars over smoking
If were banning cars, we’re definitely banning smoking too.
Why? Cars cause massive harm not even close to smoking. It is like constant second hand smoking 24/7. Not even talking about tires as major microplastic pollutants
It’s inevitable. US may be the last holdouts of buggy whip manufacturers but it really seems like a lot of the world is entering the steep part of the transition curve.
But most cars aren’t that bad of smell anymore. After a couple years driving an EV, it’s the noise of legacy cars that annoys me more. The thing is the most annoying car noises are probably from people who think buzzing and grinding sounds cool but have clearly never heard a true muscle car.
As an ex-smoker who hates the smell of cigarettes probably more than non-smokers ever will, I don’t disagree in theory. But we shouldn’t stop with just assaults to one sensory perception. In for a penny in for a pound as they say.
Loud-ass exhausts, booming subwoofers, and other assaults on the ears should also be banned in public. Strong colognes and perfumes…also banned in public.
Ugly sweaters, poor fashion choices, and shitty cars with anime girls painted on the side? You guessed it: They’re assaults on the eyes and should be banned in public
Or we could just deal with the fact that other people like things we don’t like.
Nobody hates the smell of cigarettes like true ex smokers. It simultaniously turns our stomachs and reminds us we will never ever feel truly relaxed or happy ever again.
Smells like rancid cat piss to me now, but man did I love my American Spirits.
Oh, so THATS why…
Those things are not no the same level as smoking.
They’re the same in that they bring some people joy while being offensive to others.
The effects of second hand smoke is not just offensive.
And a blanket ban of smoking outdoors, like OP suggests, would still not be a reasonable response.
Although I don’t smoke cigarettes, I do vape weed in public when walking my dog in the forest. That hurts absolutely no one other than me. Just ban smoking near others ( which is exactly how it works for weed in my country, and should be how it works for cigarettes as well )
I don’t see how me being forced to vape in my apartment and make my entire apartment and all my clothes smell like weed would help anyone
I agree. An all out public ban is not practical
As long as you don’t litter your empty vapes. One of the many problems with cigarettes is the litter. Filters by the millions that never biodegrade
As long as you don’t litter your empty vapes
Thats not how vaping weed works. In a dry herb vape you use grinded weed that then gets heated up inside a small oven so the THC evaporates, but most of the other plant matter remains. In the end you are left with some roasted weed which no longer contains THC, and that you can throw in the trash, or simply on the ground since it’s plant matter that biodegrades.
The vape itself is expensive af (350€ in my case) and reusable infinitely, especially since mine has a replaceable 21700 battery, so you wouldn’t just throw it away.
Disposable vapes containing liquid THC concentrate do exist, but to the best of my knowledge only in Canada and the US. In my country they are illegal to produce, import or sell. (but not illegal to own or use 🤷)
Edit: it’s also a lot less smelly than smoking weed. If I’m using it in public you wouldn’t be able to even notice it from 10 meters away
Nice. Wish the disposables were illegal here as well.
You don’t want to know what comes after anime cars. You’ll be begging for some black lung if you find out.
Anime Cars?
You equate a carcinogenic cloud to an anime girl image… Buddy, that is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
They’re mostly trying to satirize the situation. Pretty sure their real opinion is, “don’t get too eager to police others unless you also want to open the door to other really stupidly judgemental rules, like these.”
Just ignore the smooth brains that dont think before speaking
Second hand smoke risks have been heavily overstated.
I was shocked (as a very strong anti-smoker myself).
Even smoking itself only increases cancer risk a small amount, despite all the warnings. Though other lung issues are greater - those should be the focus to get people to quit, since they’re an honest high risk.
Alcohol is the same. Something like 6% of cancer deaths are attributed to alcohol. Its easy to make it look bad (and don’t get me wrong it is bad). Worldwide something like 80% of liver cancers come from Hepatitis.
Recent surveys in the U.S. have showed that 5% of parents have skipped hep b vaccines and another 4% have delayed the vaccination for hepatitis B.
Those aren’t directly comparable, but a person could drink every day of their life, and be 13 times less likely to die from liver cancer because a choice their guardian made.
I dunno, I think I’d rather smell cigarette smoke than look at those hornt up anime cars.
Loud-ass exhausts, booming subwoofers…
These can indeed have negative health effects and are banned in many places, the latter at least after certain hours (noise complaints!). MOT inspection fails vehicles with excessively loud exhausts and in many places you can get a “rolling inspection” from a traffic officer on the road resulting in a fine or “fix-it” ticket.
Strong colognes and perfumes…also banned in public.
Don’t have negative health effects on most people, though you can be asked to leave from many health care institutions if using too strong scents. Not really comparable to smoking but the argument could certainly be made.
Ugly sweaters, poor fashion choices, and shitty cars with anime girls painted on the side?
Only causes death by second-hand embarrassment. Maybe not excessively scantily clad anime girls at a… kindergarten? but apart from that only emotions will be hurt.
0 evidence for your bullshit. Perfume makes me feel sick. Call centerd ban perfumes for tbis reason. It is VERY comparable smoking. When I can smell peoples perfume as they drive past me, that is FAR worse than smoke.
Don’t have negative health effects on most people, though you can be asked to leave from many health care institutions if using too strong scents. Not really comparable to smoking but the argument could certainly be made.
I had a coworker once that I swear to god used to bathe in perfume. You could smell her 2 minutes before she crossed your path and 5 minutes afterwards.
Had someone similar at my office, I had to ask her to stop at least spraying herself on the row because it was giving me and another headaches.
She did oblige to her credit
Smoking causes negative health effects for everyone - this is not the case for perfumes. As I said, the argument could certainly be made to ban strong perfumes, but it isn’t the one I’m making. I definitely reject the case that Adm. Patrick made that public smoking should be allowed because strong perfumes are allowed.
No no no, you misunderstood þem… þey meant you don’t matter, because you’re not “most people.”
No no no, you misunderstood þem… þey meant you don’t matter, because you’re not “most people.”
Don’t put words in my mouth or claim that I mean things that I don’t. It is a very simple observation that the demographic group everyone matters more than a smaller group of people. It’s not that that smaller group “doesn’t matter”.
And smoking is already banned in buildings, within 15 feet of an entrance of buildings, on buses, in parks, etc.
You’re right, we should disband all laws. Wouldn’t want to step on the toes of people who like to rape and murder for their hobby.
Yes, end with “protect the children!”.
I’ve heard that smoking anything is actually just fentanyl and socialism combined into terrorism.
A small minority of some smokers are the only ones who find that unpopular. It smells like shit and makes me cough immediately. I’m an ex smoker too and can say I’m an asshole for ever subjecting others to cig smoke
Then everyone needs to support those who smoke not being allowed to be told they can’t smoke in their home. Fucking landlord parasites and their bullshit overreach into what someone is allowed to do where they live.
As someone who grew up with 3 smokers until I moved out on my own I had no idea how bad I smelled to the people around me. It gets in EVERYTHING and the worst part is when you grow up in it you have NO IDEA until you get away from it long enough for your sense of smell to notice it. I was shocked. It took about 6 months.
Was playing MTG with my brothers one day and couldn’t figure out why my eyes were red and what the smell was… Then all the comments from people my whole life hit life came back and ran through my head. I was amazed then so so so fucking angry at the adults that raised me for it.
I do smoke marijuana since it was legalized here but after my upbringing I’m very self aware of my vice’s problems and make sure I’m not a nuisance.
But I will contend that I hate the smell of tobacco as much or more than ex amokers
That’s not an unpopular opinion, that’s just common sense.
I was a smoker for years and what made me quit was when I really grasped how much it makes you reek.
I have staff who take smoke breaks and god lord you can smell that nasty shit the moment they walk back on the floor.
it isn’t practical to ban smoking in public places but all Campus work sites should have designated smoking areas.
I smoked for probably 20 years and I completely agree. Yall smokers stink! You can still smoke in bars in my state and you can smell that stank from the parking lot.
I don’t think this is that unpopular, other than with smokers/ vapers. In the UK smoking is already banned everywhere indoors at least.
I think they want outdoors as well. Though that is assuming based mostly on how normal indoor smoking being banned already is.
Yes. Restaurants, bus stops, train stations, public parks etc.
I think it pretty much is?
Unless this is one of those “America is Default” posts 💁♂️
Strange comment. I don’t know of a single country that outright bans smoking in all public spaces. America or otherwise.
I think they mean outdoor places, too. I don’t recall that being common. I assume they’d also be against designated smoking areas, since that doesn’t fix all secondhand smoke to leave them around.
It pretty much is in the US in public spaces.
Only indoors or near entrances to indoors.
I say we should remove filters and put asbestos in the cigs and let Darwinism solve the issue.
There literally used to be a brand of cigarettes that used asbestos for the filter.
Fun fact, one tobacco company researcher found a way to make cigarettes significantly less carcinogenic. His boss refused to make the changes, though, since that could be considered admitting they knew it causes cancer.
So where would smokers go? They can’t smoke indoors except for their own home - what about work? Are they allowed to go to events or concerts? Can they eat at restaurants? Where can they smoke?
Go talk to a grandma who can’t quit. Tell her she can’t go to a park. Or outdoors anywhere there is the possibility of no people. “Go be alone Nana, no one wants you near them.”
Suppose you just want to pick in a minority and this one is socially acceptable. You’re making sweeping statements about a type of person who may be trying to escape but are tied by addicted. It’s not racism but the underpinnings of bullying are there. Let smokers have some place they can relax or else you will make militant smokers who feel the pressure of everyone around them but unable to do anything about it.
Stop finding new types of people to piss off with unwarranted subjugation.
Get granny some nicotine pouches. She probably doesn’t want to smell like cigarettes either. In the same way you can get your THC without making your whole area smell like brocolli-diarrhea by using gummies and the like, the world would appreciate you finding other ways to ingest your drugs than to stink up the space we all have to share.
So where would smokers go?
On their own private property or designated smoking spots (which should be away from people and high-traffic pedestrian areas).
may be trying to escape but are tied by addicted
There should definitely be publicly funded measures to help people get rid of these addictions (ideally to no or very little charge). In the long run it’d save the public (and former smokers) a lot of health and money.
It takes a bit of effort to shake an addiction but especially with the right tools it’s very doable.
shake an addiction
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