So where does the excrement go, on the lid?
How about no toilets? How about no cities?
I don’t even piss standing up anymore, but I’m still a firm believer in the concept of “it really isn’t that hard to just look before you sit”.
I don’t even piss standing up anymore
the correct solution.
True power comes from not using the power.
I can stand and piss… but for many reasons I prefer to sit.
For me the algorithm is “if(wearing_glasses == True and is_brightly_lit == True): stand; else: sit”.
Your variables are already booleans, so you can just write:
if wearing_glasses and is_brightly_litAre they though? Maybe they are inputs that haven’t been sanitised but the language has two kinds of equals and is you use the double equals then it tries to coerce it for you. Lol that with would be silly!
lol what a funny lamguage design horror story. I’m sure glad it’s not real
yes but it makes it clearer to do
isWearingGlasses == trueThe compiler/interpreter/etc will convert it to the most efficient implementation regardless of what you the human type. If you’re used to the
if [boolean]convention use that, if you’re used toif [boolean] == trueuse that, it does not matter except to style commissars.
Tbh, it’s just easier and less messy. I don’t gotta focus on aiming, and I don’t have to worry about getting griped at for forgetting to put the seat down. Standing is really only a better option if you’re in public and in a rush.
Certain toilets are on the small size for my… equipment. And I periodically find my dongle touching porcelain. This also results in some backspray which is annoying to clean up.
I’ve found it easier and less messy to piss standing. But I also got a fancy bidet for my wife’s Christmas present years ago. It automates the whole task of opening and closing, does a bit of self-cleaning, and saves us a few bucks on toilet paper month-to-month. So its less of an issue.
Yet another problem solved by being a grower
nsfw
This is the exact problem I have with sitting to take a piss and, while I find it more comfortable, I’d prefer not to have to wash myself in the sink after every piss to feel clean again. Standing just cuts out the chance of getting that icy spicy porcelain all up on my wing wang.
Are you washing your pingas in the sink
Please tell me you only do this at home
Sometimes I piss too hard or at the wrong angle or something while I’m having a big one while I’m also having a shit and it somehow escapes under the rim and I end up with piss all over the floor. The amount of piss from that Vs micro spray is incomparable.
The real problem is that those toilets are just too small. It’s the same as those sinks that have the faucet 1 micrometer from the sink edge. I truly don’t get it
I can get piss on the floor when sitting on the toilet too.
Yeah, for men, standing up is just going to get piss everywhere. Men also need to wipe themselves afterwards, not just shake. Some men consider both of these practices to be overly-feminizing or whatever, but not having piss all over yourself and the bathroom is unequivocally a good thing.
I wear shorts for most of the year. Using a urinal while wearing shorts, you realise how much piss splashes everywhere. Really not hygienic.
This is exactly why I stopped bothering with toilets
The pigeon technique, just do it while in motion. Brave
Couldn’t agree more
Not sitting in your own piss and shit is for women and gay people obviously
All you want
You can shake and dance
But the last two drops
Are in your pants
I started doing this over 30 years ago, when I shared a restroom at work with a few women. I kept doing it.
Where I grew up and live, there are two types of toilets, those designed to be sat upon, and those designed to be stood in front of. Use them as they were designed to be used, and they work better.
I’ve only ever seen photos of squat toilets. I imagine that men stand in front of them and piss all over them?
It’s a lesson you learn once.
Apparently not, considering the bitchy comments I’ve gotten from women in my life lol.I learned it after the first time, but hey.
The lid always goes down when not in use at my house.
“It’s a shit receptacle, not a water feature” has been repeated to anyone who doesn’t know the rule.
I’ve had my neighbor get their sewer line worked on that somehow resulted in making my toilets explode with sewer gas and shit particles.
The lid stays down.
I genuinely cannot understand why someone wouldn’t want their seat and lid down at all times when not in use.
I switched out to the slow close seats so there’s really no effort or slamming. Just push, wait 2 seconds, then flush.
I would agree, but just yesterday I was visiting my mom and she asked that we leave the lid up in the rarely used guest bathroom because with it closed, it encourages mold growth. So I guess there’s that.
That’s a fair case. We don’t use one of our tubs and every once in a while we have to flush it with water because we get sewer smell. Unused bathroom facilities apparently cause problems.
Make sure you work the valves on toilets, showers, tubs, and faucets as well. They will dry out if you don’t and then you’ll get leaks.
Isn’t the smell just because the airlock dries out?
I think so; that’s why we run the water.
This might be true if there is existing live mold somewhere in the toilet (for that, monthly tank bleach tablet) but otherwise a lid prevents spores from settling in the first place.
Humidity reduction by ventilation can slow/delay mold but only eradication stops it.
Well they’re on a well with a septic tank which means no chlorine in the water and they wouldn’t want put a bleach tab in because of the septic. But I agree it would be good to eradicate it if possible.
Even with the lid down, there are thousands of spores down there. It doesn’t need constant airflow to have spores, all air is filled with spores.
All air is filled with spores.
Uh huh
It’s late, I’m drunk, I barely remembered to get the seat up before doing my business, and I’m used to living on my own.
Even when I lived alone and was drunk, I closed the lid. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Lots of things don’t make sense when you’re drunk
Flushing with the lid up is gross. I do not want to have poo particles flying around and landing on my toothbrush. But maybe that is just me… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is exactly where I sit on this debate. Flush with the lid down and it’s a non-issue!
sorry to ruin your life but mythbusters tested this and no matter how much protection your toothbrush has there will still be poo particles on it
The obvious solution is to move to a country where toilets aren’t put in the bathroom.
Always keep the lid down to minimize poop spray!
You don’t want to microdose poop to boost your immune system? Lame.
Flushing with the lid up is 🤢
But then you dont get to watch it go down
How long do you wait before lifting the lid back up to check for streaks?
Until the flush is done
But how do you check if you need to brush the bowl? Do you just wait for the flush to end and then raise the lid again to check under?
Gonna be honest, I’m just peeing that off the next time I go.
The brush is for routine cleans or times of true digestive discord.
If I lived alone I might resort to this laziness. But I have only lived alone for 8 months in 52 years.
Put toilet paper into the bowl before pooping and you never have a need to brush the bowl.
if your shits are thick enough, every flush is a brush flush.
Also keeps the fecal aerosol to a minimum.
Lid down is a win for everyone.
It could also be solved by everybody always putting the seat up …
But it won’t because everybody not agreeing on one course of action is the more fundamental problem.
You’re basically just saying “This disagreement could be solved if everybody would agree”.
But seat (edit: I meant lid) down is more hygienic when you flush. It isv the morally situation superior position
How is it more hygienic? I can’t imagine that extra brim holding off a lot of the shit particles launched into the room upon flushing.
It doesn’t make your bathroom shit free or something but it does do this 🤷♀️
Not sure if it’s better or worse in any meaningful way tho
Edit: I assume commenter meant the whole seat including the lid but that could be a miscommunication
I was too quick, missed mention of the lid, that makes more sense 😄
I really doesn’t matter tho because poop particles are everywhere regardless of your toilet seat orientation.
While true, quantity of poop particles also matters.
Your body can fight off loads of bacteria. But once it gets to an infection point, it can’t keep up and you become ill.So yeh, poop is everywhere. As long as it’s small amounts, it’s fine.
The study where gustofwind got the illustration says it’s around 10x reduction of deposited bacteria with the lid down.
https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(23)00820-9/fulltext#tbl0010
10x reduction doesn’t even make sense. It’s not possible to reduce by more than 1x, as that would be 100% of the bacteria gone.
And your link doesn’t support what you said at all.
The floor and the walls of the restroom were contaminated after toilet flushing, but no significant differences were observed between the contamination occurring with lid position up or down. Wall contamination was minimal, regardless of lid position, and there was no significant difference in contamination level between the surfaces assessed, but data indicated that the trajectory of the aerosol plume contamination may have changed. Floor contamination was not found to be reduced consistently by toilet lid closure prior to flushing.
Am I misreading something?
But how does it compare to what’s already there? How does it affect the average toilet user’s bacterial load, and how does that compare to an approximate threshold for infection?
House dust is up to 50% human skin particles. You’re breathing in all sorts of crap, and outside I’m sure there’s loads more including animal crap.
It’s a lot easier to clean the walls than the ceiling
☝️🤓
But I don’t lick the ceiling…
Clean both. Don’t clean both.
Still. The poop particles remain.
yeah i get the picture but the real question is whether this whole topic is even worth discussing or whether the effect size is so small that it practically doesn’t matter.
i mean, handbags and door knobs are some of the worst offenders to hygiene but you never see people getting all worked up about those topics, even though i suspect they’re much more significant than whether the toilet lid is up or down. that’s why i’m suspecting people are inflating a small issue into a big trouble here.
I don’t give a flying f about the toilet seat (it’s IMO a child level discussion, do what you like people), but I and my whole family do wash our hands when we come back from the outside. Always.
yeah i do that too.
It does make a difference, it means measurably less poo bacteria on places like your tooth brush
Mythbusters tested this and found no appreciable difference.
If you want a sanitized toothbrush, you’ll need to use one of those UV cases.
It keeps the fecal mist a little bit more contained.
Sure, but not really the point.
I think the user meant to say “lid down”
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seat down: easy for one group, slightly inconvenient for the other, unhygienic when flushing
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seat up: easy for one group, slightly inconvenient for the other, unhygienic when flushing
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seat and lid down: slightly inconvenient for both parties (but if it’s consistent then you can build muscle memory), and hygienic when flushing
You are correct, I did mean lid down too
My point is, the entire problem is agreeing to one option in the first place. Which option you pick is irrelevant.
Well rather OP is pointing out that there is a third option that both parties nay consider to be a fair compromise, and thus be more likely to agree to.
It doesn’t matter if there are 2 or 20 options.
But one option is hygienic, the other two are convenience. Fuck convenience, put the lid down and wash your hands, it’s for everyone’s sake
It does if one of the options leads to a successful compromise. Based on the comments on this post, it seems that this solution has worked for a lot of households
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I think the idea of “fairness” comes in that everyone has to do something, regardless of whether you use the seat or not. If you don’t use the seat, then you put the lid and seat down (presumably in one go). If you do use the seat, you put the lid down. Either way, you have to lift something before you use the toilet.
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
I agree. But the sole reason is that I don’t want my cat to drink out of it (and potentially fall in). I’m also an enjoyer of the sit-down-wee, so no arguing there, either.
There are still good reasons for having other opinions about it, for people in other circumstances. And that’s exactly why this is just a disagreement that can’t be solved all and for once.
… if everybody would agree with me.
Toilets are gross. Put the lid down. There is some study I read that said flushing the toilet throws lots of bacteria into the room. Shut the lid before you flush.
Mythusters found fecal particles everywhere even when the lid was down. There’s no escape from gross, just finding an acceptable level.
If I’m remembering right Mythbusters found that there were fecal particles everywhere, but in wildly different concentrations depending on the conditions (like the control being in the kitchen)
I’d have to re-watch those segments. The part that remains stuck in my mind is that they found fecal particles on a toothbrush that was in a closed drawer.
I don’t believe closing the lid helps that much, and I grew up with (and still have to deal with) a toilet that sometimes but not always needs a second (or third) press of the handle, so I keep the lid open so I can be sure the water really got flushed. (It drains the tank into the bowl, but sometimes it just slowly, but steadily, flows through roughly maintaining water level instead of crossing a pressure (?) threshold and flushing out the bowl and then refilling.)
But, I’m all for closing the seat and the lid when you are done. It keeps pets and dropped items out of the bowl, if nothing else. If we have to leave the lid up, I still say seat down; that’s the “ready to use” configuration for all female and some male uses.
Those fucking air blower hand dryers especially.
Video is unavailable in my region, but thanks anyway.
Yes. Close your biological waste disposal units, ya crude yokels!
Unless you’re immunocompromised it doesn’t make a difference. “Unhealthy” bacteria is literally everywhere. You have an immune system for a reason.
Then all the bacteria are flung onto the lid, and when I sit down I might touch the lid with my back.
There’s plenty of bacteria in the air already, a million more aren’t going to hurt. Unless you have a norovirus, then you need to disinfect with bleach after you’re done.
You touch your back to the lid??
You don’t think there are plenty of bacteria on your back already? Not to mention it would likely be on the back of your shirt. What’s in the air goes straight into your lungs.
Lid down gang. Stop leaving your toilet seats up.
Just sit down to pee, losers.
Ive always put the lid down along with the seat. I believe its more sanitary and has the added benefit of women not falling fully in the bowl like when the seats up. Ive done this for about 15 years.
A few years after I started doing this, I was spending the night at my friend’s house. I had to get up early to go to work, so I was first up. My friends mother got up next apparently. I was bombarded with texts and such, her mom was angry because she got up and went to the bathroom and just went for it after she sat down. Queue giant liquid waste mess to clean and an angry start to her day.
All these years later, I still think its one of the funniest things I’ve ever been part of in real life.
I was gonna say you’d be surprised how many waste particles fly around the room with the seat up - but from the sound of it, even more went everywhere with it down!
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“These invisible particles go on to coat and spread onto surfaces like floors and counters; or objects like hand towels, bathmats or even toothbrushes.
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Toilets are scientifically proven to continue to produce contaminated toilet plumes over multiple successive flushes as indicated in the above video.
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Toilet aerosols are known to contain Norovirus, SARS Coronavirus, Salmonella and many other Diseases.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_plumeTLDR: always put the lid down before flushing.
Oh… I’m already doing that with my wife and in any case I’m always sitting down. I thought it was more commun to do that.
I mean I always thought it was more hygenic to prevent the “splash zone”…
You might think, but a couple of weeks ago, uhh, a friend was sitting on the toilet at work when m…, I mean his equipment retracted and shot a stream of urine over the rim, which fortunately(?) was contained by his pants and underwear. Reportedly, he had to drape them over the vents in his urine-smelling office until they were dry enough so that he could go home and change clothes.
Beginners mistake, you should always wield a semi when doing this.
