I sent the MOD this message:
Hi XXXXXXXX, I just noticed that you banned me 2 hours ago from c/Science for Spam. I am confused. I mostly lurk and haven’t commented or posted anything in several months. I definitely don’t post ads or spam. Can you please let me know what happened?
The only reason that I noticed that I am banned is that I watched that (long-ish) video about Brainrot on the feed and the top comment is asking for a tldw.
It was probably an admin ban. They ban if non-.ml users downvote anything on their instance. And if you ask about it they’ll block you.
Wow.
All the more reason to simply filter out ml
i just block the tankie triad, instances, unfortunately you have to block individual users seperately.
do you still have to block the other two (hexbear and the other one, can’t remember the name rn.)? I have .ml blocked, but I thought the other 2 got de-federated so blocking them wouldn’t be necessary?
Both hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml are defederated from your instance of lemmy.world (see their names in the blocked part of instances, so you are safe there.:-)
Be aware though that you don’t truly have Lemmy.ml blocked - that function is horribly misleading and despite how you requested to “block” the entire instance, and how Lemmy devs marketed it as a personal type of defederation, that was a lie and instead users from those instances can still: read your content, vote on it, reply to it, report it, send you DMs, and trigger notifications, the same as any unblocked user. The only thing it does is “hide communities” from that instance so that you won’t see those communities, but you will still see those users everywhere else you go across the wide Threadiverse.
There is really no way to block all users from an instance while you are still using Lemmy. PieFed can easily do this (that feature being available for a year ago, though I doubt Lemmy will ever catch up in that respect - the Lemmy devs have little interest in helping people using their software to block their own personal instance), but other than that you would be looking at now-outdated (iirc) 3rd party apps or implementing custom uBlock Origin filtering rules for the web UI.
If you are interested in checking out PieFed, your own instance maintains both a Lemmy and a PieFed version, the former you are already on and the latter at https://piefed.world/, though I think your Lemmy login probably won’t work for both?
Thanks for the reply! I found it very informative, also with regards to the blocking.
I do think it’s stupid that there’s no complete block feature in Lemmy. Also just found out that it apparently has a slower development speed compared to PieFed (with regards to features). This, and the founders of lemmy, are some factors making me consider switching to PieFed. I also heard that there were more features, but also stability concerns. Also most of those extra features are not there on mobile clients yet i believe.
I also checked, and Lemmy login does not work on PieFed.
Thanks for the thanks! I didn’t want to be like proselytizing, unless it was helpful information that you genuinely might have wanted.
The “stability” feature isn’t anything to be concerned about at the moment - that’s for if we got hundreds of millions of subscribers, which… we are nowhere close to now, nor seem likely to reach anytime soon (and we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it). Also a lot of people seem to forget that the true backend of PieFed is not Python but rather an SQL database (PostgreSQL), and all of the ACTUAL (non-theoretical) analyses have proven PieFed to be 25-fold more (not less) efficient than Lemmy (that article says 5x less data for 5x more posts, thus 25x more efficient data usage per post), which also has long-standing bugs that seem to never get fixed.
Anyway it’s not like one is fantastic and the other crap - they both have their strengths and weaknesses, and very few people actually put in the time to bother reading about or do direct testing with either one before spreading their opinions. As an end-user, feel free to use whichever one you want - or like I literally use both at different times and for different purposes, though PieFed is my main that I use 100x more than my Lemmy anymore (several times a day rather than once a… month anymore).
As far as stability, the choice of instance admin team will matter more than whether they use Lemmy or PieFed. Your current team is pretty handy there, somehow in spite of the enormous number of people using their machines. It’s quite impressive actually, imho. I’m not saying there aren’t excellent reasons to spread ourselves around the Threadiverse more than concentrate onto one single server (there are), but neither am I saying that there is much of a reason to flee (unless you don’t like the moderation practices, e.g. the filtering of cusswords). That said, here’s a list.
So instead I’ll recommend this: use the website interface and make an account on PieFed.world, just to see what it’s like. I bet the start-up wizard alone will convince you to stay! The entire model of consuming the content on the Threadiverse is so vastly superior to what we all were forced to do when we used Lemmy that it’s not even close (e.g. you could subscribe to literally zero politics or news communities so that that content does not flood your feed, but then when you want to see such, it’s only a click away - meaning that you can literally have your cake and eat it too! And that hasn’t even gotten yet into the user-customizeable and shareable Feeds! Caveat: the set of predefined Topic areas on PieFed.world does seem rather slim, wow 😔). All that said, if you absolutely want to stick with a 3rd party app, then most of the additional features that PieFed offers won’t be accessible, yet - they will get there but just aren’t yet.
Although some will, including the ability to block all users from an instance. You’ll likely need to make that happen on the webpage interface, but after you do that all of once, it will affect anywhere you log into your instance from - including any 3rd party app you choose to use (I don’t really use 3rd party apps but I did like Voyager btw).
PieFed also allows you to import your account meaning blocklists and community subscriptions, and it can even import entire communities, though sadly no Threadiverse platform currently allows you to transfer your actual full user account - presumably security issues that while not insurmountable just haven’t been the priority yet, as everything gets built up from scratch. PieFed does release features practically weekly though, so lots of other stuff is on the way and one day that will too - just not now.
Goodness this is long, but I hope it helps you find what you are looking for in this shared space!:-)
With PieFed you can block all users of an instance.
Although they can still comment and vote on your stuff (you just won’t see it).
Even better.
Actual footage:
I don’t get it.
Most do. After a few months of being a new user, people tend to figure it out.
Nice instance choice!
Seems like the devs of lemmy who also happen to run .ml could add some code to lemmy that lets instances disallow down votes from outside the instance if they want to. Or set it to not display from within the .ml instance so their precious fee fees aren’t hurt.
But that power would go both ways. It would allow other instances to interfere with tankie brigading!
Yeah, they are not powerless to prevent downvote brigades, and serial downvoters. There are a number of ways they can throttle downvote frequency, monitor sources of varying accounts, etc.
Thank you for that clarification. I’m surprised, but then I suppose there really isn’t much else they can do about vote bots and brigades. A warning would have been nice, but given that Lemmy is starting to show evidence of the kind of bots that are killing reddit (and all social media), I can understand their position.
No, there’s plenty they can do. They’re the developers of Lemmy itself, they could easily implement something that limited the interaction of external users. Some instances already have downvotes disabled entirely. But I guess they get off on this.
There is a serious amount of serial downvoters and upvoters on lemmy to cause drama or direct the flow of conversation. They might let you back in once they realize you’re not a bot or a troll.
Don’t act like they just ban anyone who downvotes anything. You’ve been banned three times for vote spam, and you’re literally notorious for downvoting
Edit:
Sources:
https://lemmy.zip/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=22809396
Oh no, don’t use the platform exactly as designed and intended!
Lemvotes isn’t definitive. But damn that’s lopsided for sure.
Even so, what does it matter? Where is the indication that a user with a high downvote ratio is doing anything harmful, let alone worthy of a permaban?
Edit: Can someone please ban the people downvoting me? I can’t deal with this.
There’s nothing indicating that specifically. But if you’re downvoting THAT much more, it’s notable. There are people I see that I regularly downvote for solid reasons. Hypocrisy, whataboutism etc. But vote totals don’t get that lopsided without some effort. All that means ultimately it’s the ratio is lopsided.
So let’s ban those who doesn’t downvote enough? /s
It’s a stupid argument IMO, and as with all statistics you can show what you want with it. That doesn’t mean the person didn’t downvote abusively of course, just that you can’t tell from global statistics.
I agree with this. Far as I’m concerned, even if somebody only engages with posts they hate so all of their interactions are downvotes, why the fuck should they be banned? What does forcing faux positivity gain us? Yes I understand the value in stopping vote manipulation bots, but imo there should need to be more evidence of bot status or nefarious intent than just “downvotes a lot.”
NoooOoOo you can only have your say with updoots!!!1
That’s a lot of downvotes!
One of the few sensible comments in this shitlib thread
Notorious amongst whom? I don’t spam votes, I evaluate each item on its merits as I see them.
Total post upvotes: 19
Looks like lemmy has absolutely nothing of merit for you, why are you even here?
People aren’t under the obligation to upvote posts they like. Personally I don’t upvote or downvote a lot of posts either.
Not upvoting is 1 thing. Having a 500:1 downvote:upvote ratio is quite another.
Eh, I’m not sure it’s indicative of votespamming though. That can just be a product of how they use Lemmy.
I didn’t accuse him of votespamming, only of being a crappy member of the community.
Notorious amongst whom?
There’s a post about you on the mildly infuriating comm rn
I don’t spam votes, I evaluate each item on its merits as I see them.
Your apparent 3rd strike for vote spamming suggests otherwise
Please consider curating your feed rather than downvoting content you don’t like
“Vote spamming” is actually the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard on this platform. Oh no, don’t engage in the primary way the platform allows! How horrible!
And you people wonder why lemmy hasn’t and will never actually take off?
My feed is perfectly well curated. But I also downvote (and report) a lot of spam, like actual chatgpt-generated ad spam.
(I also downvote “deleted by creator” comments, but that’s just to push them down in the comment trees, because they’re just noise. They changed the behavior a while back to leave that instead of actually deleting it when it had no replies, and I wish they’d revert that change.)
My feed is perfectly well curated.
Total post upvotes: 19
Total post downvotes: 4656(x) Doubt
chatgpt
crapGPT
It’s .ml, so it’s to be expected. They have the most fragile power hungry mods around, and zero tolerance for diversity of thought.
Your crime was probably downvoting a post, they don’t like people doing that.
This you?
I’m giving you an up arrow but it’s for the comment in the screenshot not your point about it.
okay.
edit: We’re okay with mods banning and calling people ‘disgusting pieces of shit’ for innocuous comments now? Asking because I could be having a lot more fun as a mod.
Welcome to your new home.
Thats what you get for fucking existing, asshole
Have you thought not lurking ? /J Aside joking, ml is not a good instance, don’t bother with them match. I don’t for once.
I’m beginning to see that. I’ve found a few other science communities in other instances that I think will work better in my feed.
They keep the comment sections clear of State Department talking points
In the same vein, block hexbear they’re even worse.
I thought I did on Summit, BRB.
They keep the comment section clear of most talking points that are not approved by either the PLA or the GRU
No you can’t use their own arguments against Hexbear!
As liberals are fond of saying, “false equivalence”.
Ooo, ohhh, ooo, did y’all know that the False Equivalence fallacy is just a liberal saying? Has nothing to do with Philosophy or Logic. Also couldn’t help but notice you just said false equivalence without demonstrating how. Is it really that difficult to write one more sentence or were you more wanting your dishonesty to remain clear to everyone else to see?
No, it’s not inherently liberal. It’s just that I hear it most often from liberals when discussing how Democrats and Republicans both stand for capitalist imperialism. To be fair, that’s probably primarily due to the types of discussions that anti-imperialists find themselves in.
I wrote a tongue-in-cheek characterization of the propaganda of the nations we’re discussing here, but I’ll elaborate further.
There are qualitative and quantitative reasons the equivalence is false.
Qualitative: As the undisputed global hegemon, the modus operandi of the US empire is to maintain full-spectrum dominance over the globe. It does this by exploiting weaker countries and looting their resources for use by American corporations. When a country refuses to submit, US propaganda has to invert reality and depict its victim country as the bad actor in order to justify its actions. Therefore, it inherently relies on distortions. On the other hand, the propaganda of the oppressed nation simply needs to reveal the true intentions of the US empire in order to make its case.
The best example of this is the DPRK. US propaganda frequently invents, out of whole cloth, Looney Tunes-style stories, such as Kim Jong-un executing a government official with an anti-aircraft cannon—an official who later turned up alive, by the way. In contrast, DPRK propaganda is usually centered around telling stories from the brutal war of extermination that the US carried out against it in the 1950s, like its popular museum memorializing the Sinchon Massacre.
Quantitative: US propaganda is voluminous and far reaching due to the empire’s cultural hegemony that’s concurrent with its military hegemony. Just as the US has military bases around the world that number more than those of any other nation by orders of magnitude, so is its propaganda more numerous than that of its enemies. In fact, US propaganda is even more powerful and effective than its military is. Hollywood movies are popular worldwide. In contrast, the propaganda of its enemies is weak and typically limited in reach to within its own borders, and the language barriers limit the scope of the little bit that manages to extend further than that.
Americans eat, breathe, and bathe in US propaganda. They rarely, if ever, are allowed to see propaganda from enemy nations. YouTube regularly bans channels that speak for China, Russia, or the DPRK. One of the greatest accomplishments of US propaganda is the creation of the perception that this dominance is inverted. They’ve convinced Americans that they do not consume any propaganda at all, and that the enemy’s propaganda is all around them. They’ve trained them to dutifully ignore or attack any narrative which portrays their enemies in a positive light because it must be originating from its conniving enemies.
lol
Uh. And it’s a permanent ban. Not just a temporary timeout for a minor offense… I’d take it as an invitation to switch to different Science/Ask/Open-Source communities on different instances. Might be an improvement anyway. (I mean I myself diversified my subscriptions and left most lemmy.ml ones a long time ago.)
https://mander.xyz/c/science is way better anyway
I just clicked the “share” link in the community and copied and pasted the link. It not only links you to the same place, but it’s faster than what you typed out
I don’t see that link (or a match to the keyword “share” anywhere on the page) - are you using a 3rd party app to do that?
One problem with the link that you sent is that for most people it will leave their current instance and to to mander.xyz, whereas the format that Blaze used will allow seeing the community from the recipient’s instance (where they are already logged in). Some places, like PieFed’s webpage UI, will auto-translate the link to do that, but most people on Lemmy I think won’t be able to do that.
How much faster?
Mander.xyz is a great instance for science, I consider it the science instance.
Ooh! Nice. I just checked it out and subscribed.
It has happened to me as well! It’s the “vote-only” part that triggers it, to filter out bots
Dessalines:
[…] We don’t usually allow vote-only accounts on lemmy.ml, those are mostly bots targeting specific users or communities. That’s our rule 4, spamming.
Since it was an .ml account I just stopped using it; I don’t know what you could do about voting on .ml communities though (aside from using your account to post more)
This makes sense, since I’ve downvoted .ml posts and admins and haven’t been modded, but I wonder if there’s a better way to block bots?
You need an account to curate your feed and folks are gonna vote. There shouldn’t be an obligation to participate in the comments.
Maybe some kind of random bot test sent to vote-only accounts?
So now you’re spamming this sub?!?! \s
I don’t have a screenshot of comment or post that caused the ban, because I haven’t commented or posted anything whatsoever in more than six months.
Mod has been very active over the last 24 hours but hasn’t responded to me.
Did they reply?
They have not replied. At this point I think they don’t intend to reply.
ive been seen a suble takeover of the political memes sub by the tankies, yea thier own communities arnt getting enough engagement .
Looks like an automated glitch.
It’s lemmy.ml, I wouldn’t count on it
