Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • REDACTED@infosec.pub
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    2 hours ago

    For the first time ever in my life, I see someone claiming that China is left-wing. Left and authoritarian are usually at the opposite spectrums.

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      2 hours ago

      That is what Animal Farm was talking about - that authoritarianism can take over any political ideology. It isn’t a anti-communism book, but anti-authoritarianism.

  • PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing

    Uhh, citation needed? Communism by name only does not a left wing country make

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    2 hours ago

    Winnie the Pooh vows to invade and conquer Taiwan in megalomane New Year’s Eve speech

    FTFY

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    7 hours ago

    One sentence that fell during the Merkel phone spying affair:

    Countries don’t have friends, they only have interests.

    Don’t think of countries as people; people have morals and one direction they go. This to some of the comments here.

    • Ach@lemmy.world
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      I think you could argue that the five Nordic nations are pretty friendly with each other, and it’s not just interests. The Nordic Council works very well. I can’t think of anywhere else on Earth I could argue this though.

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    10 hours ago

    Xi Jinping is an evil scumbag whose goal is to destabilize the world. China needs and deserves Taiwan just as little as Russia needs Crimea.

    Taiwan’s sovereign status should be ratified in UN asap.

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      Unfortunately that won’t happen unless Republic of China declares to become an independent state of Taiwan. In their current form, they claim to be the legitimate government of mainland People’s Republic of China too. I think it’s safe to assume that they won’t get their lands back, but it is not up to me to advise govt affairs.

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        4 hours ago

        Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that Taiwan would be happy to be just Taiwan instead of Republic of China, if that got them their UN recognition.

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            Sure.

            If People’s Republic of China agreed to ratify their UN membership and ratify them as a country if they just changed their name to Taiwan, you think they couldn’t get 75% of their government & 50% of the people to vote for the name change?

            I claim that their name has nothing to do with why People’s Republic of China is threatening them with an invasion and forceful annexation.

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          3 hours ago

          You are wrong.

          Does me saying that help you notice that you are wrong?

          They call themselves oficially the “true” govern of China to this day, and their internal diplomacy is based on that.

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            Does me saying that help you notice that you are wrong?

            Well, no, if you just say it. Duh. Who do you think you are?

            They call themselves oficially the “true” govern of China to this day, and their internal diplomacy is based on that.

            I feel like you totally did not read the last sentence of my comment, so I’ll quote it here so you can be sure not to miss it!

            if that got them their UN recognition.

  • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 hours ago

    This is a declaration of war IMO. By one old dude against the whole world order (the international laws).

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      4 hours ago

      China and Taiwan are already at war. The Chinese civil war never had any truce, armistice, surrender, or anything. ROC pulled back to Taiwan, PRC didn’t follow, and then it just stopped.

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      8 hours ago

      As the US has known for some time, the international order only applies to poor countries. Like a spiders web ensnares the fly but allows the pig to tear straight through

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        Why does every fucking topic, no matter how far it is from US, ends up with someone ranting about US?

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            As an American I’m happy to see China kept in its place until it can compete with America on the human rights it gives its citizens. America might exercise ill-acquired and unethical hegemony over the world at times but apart from maybe the EU theres not another superpower candidate I’d trust more with that hegemony.

            • bigfondue@lemmy.world
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              2 hours ago

              As an American I want my tax dollars to go toward something other than murdering civilians overseas

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                1 hour ago

                Oh, same! Yeah we’ve got a lot to do to fix this country, for sure. Kind of exciting to know we have the opportunity to fix how we want it considering the unprecedented dysfunction

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    15 hours ago

    China hasn’t exerted any political authority over Taiwan in 80 years and Taiwan declared itself a separate nation long ago, supported by the will of the people of Taiwan. Anything else is the will of a conqueror.

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      Did they declare that tho? I thought they viewed themselves as the legitimate government of all China.

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      14 hours ago

      I wonder how many people living in Taiwan were alive back when China controlled it. Probably 90% + of the population has never known anything but independent Taiwan

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        3 hours ago

        Since when does an “independent Taiwan” exist?

        They call themselves the “true” China to this day.

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    14 hours ago

    I hope the EU and nations in the Asian sphere decide to have a military alliance. Taiwan is pretty dang valuable, and also shouldn’t be bullied for the sake of some strongman’s wet dream.

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      14 hours ago

      So it’s all about TSMC, the west doesn’t give a shit about the people or the land.

      Well, China only cares about the land. You can take TSMC from Taiwan.

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        14 hours ago

        That is dumb. TSMC is comprised of the world’s foremost experts in chip technology. They are people, and probably would like to stay in their homeland. Furthermore, it takes at least a decade to build the infrastructure to create microchips, which requires extremely stable geology. A power outage or an earthquake can cause lithography machines to miss their target, ruining months of work.

        TSMC is intrinsically tied to the land and people.

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          7 hours ago

          That wasn’t my point.

          The west only cares about TSMC and not the island or the common people of Taiwan. If Taiwan didn’t have TSMC, the west wouldn’t give two shits about the island.

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            And China only cares about Taiwan for the land and the image it projects of “reunifying China”. They don’t care about the people in Taiwan since a vast majority don’t want to be invaded by China.

            Look at how well the Hong Kong “reunification” went.

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              Correct. If the people of Taiwan don’t want to be part of China, they’re free to leave, just like everyone else in China.

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                Ok tankie. Let me take over your house and if you don’t like me, you can leave.

                What a clown.

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    19 hours ago

    China is only nominally left; they’re deeply conservative, and don’t exactly empower the people. They are imperialist, as was the USSR.

    And Taiwan did democratically decide what they want. It would be better if China also got to democratically decide what they want.

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    10 hours ago

    Lousy leader in the game. Gotta do better to win that popularity contest AND charm the pants off the rest of the world to be a real champ. He’s got his hero base at home & somewhat abroad. It just isn’t enough, to quote Nigel Tufnel in the Spinal Tap Series. Even though “These go to 11” , I feel that it is a slow win & China is the future of the world. Winnie the Pooh just ain’t got enough oomph to maintain the grasp.

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    16 hours ago

    Pretty sure tawain ain’t interested in being absorbed back by China.