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Well, better late than never. Piefed can’t retrospectively solve the limitations that Lemmy had.

People living in Russia or China might care.

I mean, okay, but they likely use VPNs to start with. There’s already heavily oppressive laws there. The point is Russia and China have no power to threaten Fediverse owners here.

UK might be much more difficult, btw. They now ban all porn without identity checks. So if you host a lemmy/piefed instance that’s accessible in the UK you will need to delete all adult content that makes it to your instance, if you don’t want to violate UK law.

I am from the UK. And lemmy.zip has geoblocked the UK because of this (the owner is from the UK). But no other instances has done anything so far.

Cloning communities isn’t quite that easy. Were you present when feddit.de went down? Their communities didn’t vanish. The replications are still up on all other instances, and you can still post there. There’s no indication to a casual user that the instance hosting the communities is down and thus federation doesn’t work. To the users it just looks like participation dropped like a rock with no obvious reason.

Keep in mind that Piefed actually has community migration now. There are moves being made here.

Piefed has a community migration tool.

If you move to piefed.zip, you have more control over your feed via keyword filters.

There’s also slow growth vs. extreme growth. I do want Lemmy/Piefed to grow but I don’t think its ideal or realistic to expect or project it ever getting to Reddit size.

I think he is filtering by active which keeps posts still receiving lots of comments very high.

Are you filtering by “active”?

Depends… Imagine it also contains some of the most relevant communities and defederating would mean you lose users. That’s not such an easy decision any more. Also, at that point hosting would likely be so expensive that for-profit instances would emerge, and for those defederating an important community wouldn’t be such an easy choice either.

I don’t think that would save it, to be honest.

People would just clone the communities on other instances and rebuild.

I suspect eventually lemmy/piefed federation will not be automatic, but subject to approval.

But it’s not only CSAM. For example, there’s illegal speech in quite a few parts of the world. In Germany, for example, a lot of nazi-related stuff is illegal. In russia or china some regime-critical speech is illegal. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US also joins this club sometime in the near future.

No-one cares what Russia or China thinks here. Germany? I mean, sure, but this is also a complication for any regulatory bodies trying to police social media sites. As “Lemmy” or “Piefed”, as you know, are not singular entities.

Sorry if that came across. I said lemm.ee was shutdown because of the scaling issue. I could have been more clear with that I meant the moderation scaling issues.

Yeah, in part because they had a “no defederation” policy which came to bite them back.

I disagree if the defederated instances are maladaptive and export bad behaviour.

In addition, I don’t think lemmy.world or lemmy.ml have been defederated by anyone notable. The only example of lemmy.world being defederated, that I know, is beehaw.org. And I believe that Beehaw.org isn’t interested in growth.

The fediverse is not a single amorphous bloc with the same overall goals of growth.

But if it doesn’t, then other instances removing the content on their side doesn’t federate. So you can either trust every instance that you federate with with your legal security, or you will have to moderate everything yourself as well, just in case someone missed something.

Sure, you’re right there - but an instance that kept having problems with removing CSAM would find itself defederated.

This would be extremely important, but I don’t know if such a low level conceptual change can still be performed with a reasonable amount of work. Remember, for such a change you need to get every instance on board. That would be difficult now, and only more difficult later.

Well it would be built in from Lemmy or Piefed. The devs would have to spearhead it. But were the load ever to get to that point, I suspect that would be the obvious move.

No, it was specifically because of the moderation issue: https://lemmy.ca/post/45390962

Yes, so not financial. You seemed to be implying it was financial.

Wait, I’m lost. You’re saying that most of the fediverse federating with each other has been detrimental?

I don’t really care what Wikipedia says. It just flat out isn’t a comedy. That it has some comedic elements doesn’t make it a comedy.

Also, IMDB keywords system is worse than awful dude. It has no oversight. I once saw a Sonic the Hedgehog show tagged as Cyberpunk.

Admin work is insane. Since every instance holds a full, independent copy and doesn’t only cache, they are legally responsible for the content and have to moderate it. So if someone posts e.g. illegal pornography on one instance and it’s federated to another instance, the admin of the second instance needs to delete it or face legal consequences. That means, instead of the mods or admins of the original community/instance being solely responsible for keeping their stuff clean, everyone is responsible for everything and the same work needs to be done hundreds of times, once per instance.

Eh, if the original instance removes the CSAM - the ban and removal federates out to everywhere else, so this isn’t always true.

As for the scaling of Lemmy - absolutely, but it’ll never get to Reddit sized levels. Down the line, the answer here would be for the federative structure to change so that an instance only hosts its own local content, and doesn’t need duplicate content viewed from external instances.

This horrible scalability means that right now instances are getting close to their limits (see e.g. lemm.ee closing down exactly due to these reasons).

That’s not why lemm.ee closed down. It wasn’t financial.

Oh people making the claim that Lemmy being too political or too hard-left drives users off and is responsible for the user malaise. I’m sure that’s true, but not to an appreciable level.

Pluribus is not meant to be a comedy.

Well that’s not really something a platform can change, is it?

So what’s going on here, most likely, is that the intake of new users is declining as opposed to people specifically being driven off the platform (as some users allege).

Most of the major instances do federate with each other though. The only notable difference in terms of content you’ll get is if you like hexbear/lemmygrad currently.

I think it’s more a lower intake of new users rather than an especially notable user attrition rate.