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Crossposted from https://lemmy.world/post/40642280
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Well…the people the right call leftist extremists are generally not leftists are have a tenuous leftist label.
Like…(modern) anarchists are generally apolitical or nihilists…and don’t come from the left at the rates they think they do. The Charlie Kirk shooter is a decent example of what somebody will say is this monolith of leftist extremism that exist in large numbers and is a cohesive group.
Short story long: those who use the label “leftist extremist” (without irony) are basically making a boogy man out of random crazies who they don’t have to ignore because they’re not clearly right wingers.
This isn’t the 70s…they don’t have The Weather Underground and The Black Panthers to scapegoat…so they just make shit up.
accepting of all religions
I’m not if said religion involves “removal of rights to others” and “dismantling democracy”. And no, I don’t care if they’re “not real christians”.
This could also be ‘Is your child a true christian?’
The thought of other people living a good life. I just… I can’t. It’s just too horrible.
“Oh no, my child wants dignity for all! Better send them to Guantanashwitz”
Random parent having a child with a soul, circa 2030
Oh noes!
Every item on the list, I have.
I must be one of those dangerous violent extremists the TV warns us about! :O
The woke mind virus claims another victim. Truly tragic to see so much empathy.
…when their propaganda talking points started unironically referencing “the sin of empathy” they crossed the line into balls-out cartoon fascism…
You and your Auntie Fa!
Since they put hammer and sickle (the symbol of communism ) I would argue the acceptance of sexual orientations, religions, genders, races etc was also a problem there. It is liberalism that accepts it.
The claim about everyone being treated equally is also not completely true. I mean, in theory, yes, in practice whenever communism (especialy the one exported from USSR) was implemented some people were “more equal” than others.
There is no more satire.
Once upon a time, this “political extremism“ used to just simply be called “being a decent human being“. How far we’ve fallen.
The symbol has nothing to do with what’s on the list.
It’s a symbol of hate, suffering and oppression.
(crossposted from lemmy.ml, btw)
Disagree. Also pointing out it came from lemmy.ml - it’s getting tiring.
It’s also very appropriate for the meme given it speaks to the red scare propaganda peddled in the US.
I’m sorry you’re tired, but a lot of newer users aren’t aware.
I don’t think it’s appropriate anywhere, aside from historical contexts. Especially next to “positive” things that have little to no relation to it.
Sorry I didn’t see you’re an anti-communist. Your view makes perfect sense now. Thanks for the honesty!
Mainly, anti-USSR and USSR-adjacent.
You’re very welcome!
Here, fixed it. No sarcasm.
Thanks! I just had a problem with the sign. The idea of the post is fun and I see the humour in it.
I just think the sign is put there in bad faith, as .ml are known for revisionism.
Holding on to burned iconography doesn’t help any exploited working class. Visually very naff, though.
This is my take on it:
I think shifting away from the symbol is important, as there are many negatives associated with it.
Mainly all the negatives perceptions of the USSR and those rapidly overtake the positives that are being reinforced by the rest of the “meme”.
That should be a nazi swastika though.
what
Because according to the nazis that find leftism to be evil, we’re the nazis not them.
You forgot “unconditionally supports russian imperialism and repeats its propaganda incessently” … wait, this isn’t lemmy.ml 🫠
That prompts an interesting question: Is there a symbol for international communism that’s recognizable to the general public?
Like the raised fist, that would be sucked up by the fascists in a split second.
The hammer and sickle, no? The British communist party uses it to this day, at least
That must be the closest thing. It’s absent on communist/socialist national flags, but most of their dominant parties seem to use it.
The initialism there is more unfortunate than the symbol.
I don’t think there is a single one, but there are definitely styles that make you think it. Red themes, tools and machinery, fists in the air, etc.
This one of my favorites for Fully Automated Luxury Gay/Queer Space Communism. I doubt how widely it’s known, though.
Wow, what a… memorable flag. Are these scythes with other scythes as a handle ? doubling as Saturn and its moons ?
Yeah, it’s definitely a reference to the hammer and sickle symbol. I think it’s either the Earth, the Moon and Mars or else non-specific planets and/or moons. I had to zoom in to take a closer look:
Oh, now I see it bigger… Is that Bezos’s cock rocket?
PS,
We never needed rockets.
Follow the tech arc from Michael Faraday through to Nikola Tesla, passing by at least the Sonora Aero Club (and Charles Dellschau’s 1850 drawings) and the german bell and foo-fighters, and you shall see… we never needed rockets. What wonders developed since. Zero inertia propulsion, zero-point energy, can print another of itself instantly, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home safely in, able to sustain human life indefinitely… but sure, lets keep pretending like space is hard to do, and that rockets are the best we can do it by. XD
I’m sure some commenters on the .ml crosspost will have pointed that out 😉
(Just took a look - of course people who say that Stalinism was bad will get downvoted, same same)
Nobody should be lectured on propaganda by North American and European social democrats who infest Lemmy and spread propaganda to a much higher degree across most instances and communities.
It is clear that russian propaganda is the best propaganda. pats you on the head
Calling out hypocrisy is not the same as supporting the alternative. Two things can be wrong at the same time.
To put it in simple terms: Russian Imperial propaganda is bad but American Imperial neoliberal propaganda isn’t any better just because they are at odds.
The whole “stones thrown from glass houses” thing.
Correct, you understood my point perfectly.
As an anti-imperialist, I get that kind of rebuttal A LOT. People cannot stand it when you bring light that all empires of the modern day got to their heights by being the most politically and socially manipulative parasites this world has ever seen.
social democrats
They have a better claim to leftism & socialism than the illiberal leftists & left-wing authoritarians who manifest inherently unequal, oppressive concentrations of authority & political power.
who manifest inherently unequal, oppressive concentrations of authority & political power.
Capitalism! (Which socdems completely support)
That’s a weird spelling for authoritarianism.
Social democrats support mixed economies with social safety nets.
Economic indexes show liberal democracies in Europe, Canada, East Asia, Australia including social democracies beat communist states (North Korea, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba) in lower economic inequality in terms of wealth & income. North Korea comes close, and that state overspends on military instead of lifting people out of poverty, thus allowing famines & food shortages to stunt growth & shorten life expectances by 12 years compared to their South Korean neighbors.
Both in principle & practice, non-authoritarian or liberal leftism beats left-wing authoritarianism. Left-wing authoritarianism is a bankrupt contradiction lacking legitimate claims to the central tenet of leftism of promoting equality. Such philosophies & governments don’t serve the people, they serve an exclusive, repressive regime of political party elites.
Capitalism is authoritarianism.
European Social Democrats spreading propaganda? I’ve seen a lot of europeans talking about how life in central / northern europe differs from what happens in other parts of the world, but i wouldn’t call that propaganda, just sharing experience. And it’s only that you read more of us because the .ml instances and hexbear are the most defederated sites outside of instances with illegal content.
Oh, in your history books the Soviet Union does still exist. Tell me more!
It looks like it still exists for Lavrov too
You missed the joke, I guess.
edit: No need to downvote the guy
Not far from sad, sad reality. Almost indistinguishable.
OP fails at leftism with inaccessible content that disadvantages the disabled.
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative:
- usability
- we can’t quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
- text search is unavailable
- the system can’t
- reflow text to varied screen sizes
- vary presentation (size, contrast)
- vary modality (audio, braille)
- accessibility
- lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
- some users can’t read the image due to lack of alt text
- users can’t adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
- systems can’t read the text to them or send it to braille devices
- searchability: the “text” isn’t indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
- fault tolerance: no text fallback if
- image breaks
- image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.
Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.
They’ll need to relinquish their leftist cred.
wtf is this spam?
wtf is literacy? calling recurrent objections to recurrent issues spam doesn’t make them spam. seems you don’t care about accessibility either & need to turn in your leftist creds, too.
wtf is leftist creds? Dude… go touch grass.
Why not create your own accessible content instead of demanding perfection and nitpicking others? No one’s going to stop you from reposting/crossposting this along with quality alt-text. It could even be its own comm, crossposts but accessible versions. Be the change you want to see, I dare you.
Why not create your own accessible content instead of demanding perfection and nitpicking others?
Why not try being a better leftist? They can most certainly edit their post to fix the issue.
Creating my own content doesn’t make this post accessible. In a free society, objections & protest are legitimate ways to effect change. Welcome.
Discounting real deficits in accessibility as minor lapses from “perfection” to “nitpick” betrays that you truly don’t care about the disadvantaged if it inconveniences others in the most minor way. That’s not leftism, that’s hypocrisy.
How about you be the change & fight for fairer “treatment of marginalized groups” right here in this tangible, easily achievable matter like a real leftist? Negligence & indifference aren’t excuses.
- usability
Accepting of all sexualities, genders , and races with a dumb fuck hammer and sickle. What alternate reality do you live in where the USSR was accepting of these?
Exactly this. Seems like a lot of people romanticizing communism never lived under it.
In practice it is the other extreme compared to fascism.
the joke is that any person nowadays who is being civil and decent is being called socialist
Whoosh
The symbolism is more a visual bait for people like you. I don’t think it means all lefties are stalinists. Many flags have stars and stripes, for example, the most meaningless crap anybody ever cared to put on a rag. So chill.
So, to be clear, marxist-leninists/stalinists aren’t far-left?
It’s making fun of people who see hammer and sickle and think only of left-authoritarians, whose methods are the same as those of any other authoritarian, regardless of their goals.
No but Jugoslavia was very accepting and till it fell apart it was pretty good at being socialist.
This is more taking the piss out of people who say anyone left of centre is “radical left”.
That’s NOT about URSS anymore, that symbol is the most famous symbol of communism, so it’s used that, but it’s NOT indicating the URSS
Correct. It’s a universal, internationally recognized symbol to which the USSR doesn’t lay sole claim.
AFAIK the USSR was the first country to implement communism and it exported it to others. The hammer and sickle originates from them.
So anyone romanticizing those symbols and claiming that this flavor of communism was open to different sexualities, genders, religions, races is extremely ignorant.
It is liberalism that is accepting them, the communism that we had so far is just the other extreme compared to fascism.
It is liberalism that is accepting them
Fake, Marxism never had these issues to begin with, simply no one implememted marxism, i wouldn’t even say that those other ideologies(stalinism etc etc) are communism but whatever
