Why would all of us innocent people give up our right to defense while criminals just hide them away when big brother comes knocking? Thats the equivalent of posting online your address, all your belongings, then saying youre going on a trip for a week and you left the door unlocked. Stupid.
The only thing we can do is improve mental health and teach gun safety. A lot of these tragedies happen because gun owners didnt keep them locked up properly. And purchasing them needs to be made more secure.
Exactly. This is a situation where you can’t just put the genie back in the bottle. We have no method of collecting all the guns out there from law abiding citizens, much less criminals. We have a military that would quite likely defect if told to use their force to collect the guns from citizens. And like I said, a ground war against the gun owning populace of the US would be absurd and effectively impossible.
People from outside the US keep going “well why don’t you have better laws?” like we have no gun control laws. We do. They’re dumb as hell, based largely on PR and appearance of the guns rather than anything concrete like how many rounds the weapons can sling per second, and are a constant cat and mouse game in our notoriously slow legistlative process as people enjoy finding workarounds for fun.
And as you bring up, so much of the gun violence incidents are caused by people with mental illness having access to firearms, usually through family members not storing them securely.
Better mental health care. Less negative repurcissions for being diagnosed with issues. Mandatory and better gun safety courses. And life changing fines and/or jail time for the gun owner when it is used in a crime (due to not being properly secured).
Yeah yeah, I know: “‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”
There are ways to prevent this, or to significantly reduce it, but this is a complex issue that’s been building for at least 250 years. It’s not something so simple that the only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because people just aren’t trying hard enough.
This narrative that all these complex longstanding problems in the world exist because people are too stupid to see the obvious, simple solution or because they aren’t trying hard enough is childish as hell. If the world was even remotely that simple, we’d have a very different reality.
Regulation. Active attempts at reducing the gun load. Anything more than fucking “thoughts and prayers” when all y’all get another batch of children butchered in school.
Here’s a start: licensure. Freedom of movement is part of the American constitution as well, yet you license cars, have proof of insurance, etc. Driving without a license or insurance gets you into hot water.
Now try the same with guns. With commensurately higher penalties if caught owning and using without a license. This would be literally the minimum you could do … and you don’t do even that much.
But hey, congrats on the “thoughts and prayers”. I’m sure they’ll protect you from the next insane fuckwit in a school.
Guess what, literally 5 seconds with google can show you that many states have that already!
Yes, you’re getting the AI overview, because your answer didn’t involve any effort, so why should mine?
Go on and lecture me about thoughts and prayers some more. I’m definitely one of those folks, given all I’ve typed up about this, prick.
Edit: Additionally, there are legal battles and lobbying happening on both sides of this shit constantly in the US. This group pushing for more restrictions, for more gun safety course hours needed for a permit. That group pushing for background checks to ignore non-violent crime. Some other group pushing for no restrictions at all because of the whole “shall not be infringed” line of the second amendment to our constitution.
Again, I must insist that anyone who truly believes this is due to a lack of awareness or effort hasn’t been actually paying attention. So maybe if you don’t live in the US, and you don’t have exposure to all the absurd amount of politics and shit going on here from a federal level all the way down to local community level, just maybe you should hold up a second before making huge sweeping generalizations based off gut feeling and your limited insight on the reality of things here.
rather than anything concrete like how many rounds the weapons can sling per second
every time we try those, they get shot down under either making our weapons unable to stop our military (heh like our ar15s could do that anyways) or “shalL NoT bE INFringED”
It’d be great if we could be new Zealand and turn in every gun. But they have a WAY smaller area of land and people lol.
I am always wondering how much of it is a result of the negative social media and phone addiction in young people. I know people always say “this didnt happen when I was a kid” but i feel like its true sometimes. Too lazy to look up the stats.
It also means the ceos of gun companies wont be able to own guns. Which means guns will never be banned in the us so people need to think of different solutions. I already know of a few that would probably do some good damage to the guns in school problem, but non americans are too unintelligent to think of them
non americans are too unintelligent to think of them
American exceptionalism strikes again! “Non-Americans just aren’t smart enough to solve the problem they have already solved!”
You can always tell the smart ones by their ability to come up with solutions but not share then with anyone. Big “I definately understand, but explain it for the Non-Americans” energy.
I wonder how long it would take to round up all* the guns, theoretically speaking.
*ish
I wonder how the last guerilla ground war America was in went.
Now give the guerillas even more weaponry and an absurdly larger landmass to inhabit.
The answer is that it wouldn’t be possible.
I fucking love all you non-US folks who think it would be in any way easy.
It will never work.
Because criminals wont give up their guns.
Why would all of us innocent people give up our right to defense while criminals just hide them away when big brother comes knocking? Thats the equivalent of posting online your address, all your belongings, then saying youre going on a trip for a week and you left the door unlocked. Stupid.
The only thing we can do is improve mental health and teach gun safety. A lot of these tragedies happen because gun owners didnt keep them locked up properly. And purchasing them needs to be made more secure.
Exactly. This is a situation where you can’t just put the genie back in the bottle. We have no method of collecting all the guns out there from law abiding citizens, much less criminals. We have a military that would quite likely defect if told to use their force to collect the guns from citizens. And like I said, a ground war against the gun owning populace of the US would be absurd and effectively impossible.
People from outside the US keep going “well why don’t you have better laws?” like we have no gun control laws. We do. They’re dumb as hell, based largely on PR and appearance of the guns rather than anything concrete like how many rounds the weapons can sling per second, and are a constant cat and mouse game in our notoriously slow legistlative process as people enjoy finding workarounds for fun.
And as you bring up, so much of the gun violence incidents are caused by people with mental illness having access to firearms, usually through family members not storing them securely.
Better mental health care. Less negative repurcissions for being diagnosed with issues. Mandatory and better gun safety courses. And life changing fines and/or jail time for the gun owner when it is used in a crime (due to not being properly secured).
Yeah yeah, I know: “‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”
There are ways to prevent this, or to significantly reduce it, but this is a complex issue that’s been building for at least 250 years. It’s not something so simple that the only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because people just aren’t trying hard enough.
This narrative that all these complex longstanding problems in the world exist because people are too stupid to see the obvious, simple solution or because they aren’t trying hard enough is childish as hell. If the world was even remotely that simple, we’d have a very different reality.
You’re right. It’s not because they’re not trying hard enough. It’s because they’re not trying to do anything serious about it at all.
If it’s easier for you to believe that, it says a lot more about you than them.
In your eyes, what would be “trying to do something serious about it” that isn’t happening?
Regulation. Active attempts at reducing the gun load. Anything more than fucking “thoughts and prayers” when all y’all get another batch of children butchered in school.
Here’s a start: licensure. Freedom of movement is part of the American constitution as well, yet you license cars, have proof of insurance, etc. Driving without a license or insurance gets you into hot water.
Now try the same with guns. With commensurately higher penalties if caught owning and using without a license. This would be literally the minimum you could do … and you don’t do even that much.
But hey, congrats on the “thoughts and prayers”. I’m sure they’ll protect you from the next insane fuckwit in a school.
Guess what, literally 5 seconds with google can show you that many states have that already!
Yes, you’re getting the AI overview, because your answer didn’t involve any effort, so why should mine?
Go on and lecture me about thoughts and prayers some more. I’m definitely one of those folks, given all I’ve typed up about this, prick.
Edit: Additionally, there are legal battles and lobbying happening on both sides of this shit constantly in the US. This group pushing for more restrictions, for more gun safety course hours needed for a permit. That group pushing for background checks to ignore non-violent crime. Some other group pushing for no restrictions at all because of the whole “shall not be infringed” line of the second amendment to our constitution.
Again, I must insist that anyone who truly believes this is due to a lack of awareness or effort hasn’t been actually paying attention. So maybe if you don’t live in the US, and you don’t have exposure to all the absurd amount of politics and shit going on here from a federal level all the way down to local community level, just maybe you should hold up a second before making huge sweeping generalizations based off gut feeling and your limited insight on the reality of things here.
every time we try those, they get shot down under either making our weapons unable to stop our military (heh like our ar15s could do that anyways) or “shalL NoT bE INFringED”
You nailed it.
It’d be great if we could be new Zealand and turn in every gun. But they have a WAY smaller area of land and people lol.
I am always wondering how much of it is a result of the negative social media and phone addiction in young people. I know people always say “this didnt happen when I was a kid” but i feel like its true sometimes. Too lazy to look up the stats.
it would take as long as the will of the population supports it. like anywhere else.
decades.
It also means the ceos of gun companies wont be able to own guns. Which means guns will never be banned in the us so people need to think of different solutions. I already know of a few that would probably do some good damage to the guns in school problem, but non americans are too unintelligent to think of them
American exceptionalism strikes again! “Non-Americans just aren’t smart enough to solve the problem they have already solved!”
You can always tell the smart ones by their ability to come up with solutions but not share then with anyone. Big “I definately understand, but explain it for the Non-Americans” energy.
Non-Americans, not being psychopathic ammosexuals, don’t have to think of them. Only the psychopathic ammosexuals of the USA have to worry about it.