• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    2 hours ago

    That was enlightening. However, I detect some limiting value judgements.

    I’m not sure if your attitude is based on a need to harm other people, or if you really don’t understand. In both cases, what brought you to it was not totally your own. You were exposed to chauvinism in a way that led you to adopt a crappy attitude, or you were taught things a certain way (which is tbf how we are all taught to some degree, though it is wrong). You internalized this, thought about it, said something gross, and people reacted negatively. This is all objective, but only some of it is verifiable.

    This is a limiting perspective. Attitudes toward nudity are culturally specific. It’s likely not as taboo or shameful in cultures where nudity is mundane.

    The taboos & rules we follow in our culture don’t need to be that way, and we know that. We know we don’t need to see things the way we do: our arbitrary value judgements are a matter of perspective.

    Hopefully you’ll reconsider and be able to do better. Human development is objective, but it is not inevitable. This is the difference between your deterministic and vulgar attitude and reality.

    It’s not necessarily vulgar. We can take their materialism to an extreme and map all that mental, subjective experience to physical neural states beyond our precise comprehension & merely acknowledge that correspondence exists. That neurochemistry includes some degree of randomness, as do some physical phenomena, so this physical-only view of reality isn’t completely deterministic.

    It resolves to the same effect as your model of understanding reality, which abstracts away that physical detail into practical concepts more conducive to the way we think.

    Anyhow, I think it was a good point that society doesn’t need this backward shame & judgement around nudity or whatever activity goes on in people’s heads. However, society does, and it’s not about to evolve without serious effort.