If only he’d gone the next step and actually looked up how electrolytes work.
This is how conspiracy theorists actually think, they do a single Google search, fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese, and form a totally incoherent theory as a result. Once the theory is formed, any evidence to the contrary is disregarded.
Flat earthers primary reason for believing the earth is flat is that otherwise water wouldn’t form puddles and lakes it would always be flowing downhill. This makes perfect sense provided you’ve failed to achieve a 12-year-old’s understanding of gravity. Which of course they have failed to achieve because of the aforementioned intellectual deficiency.
fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese,
LMFAOOOO
they do a single Google search, fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese, and form a totally incoherent theory as a result
I mean, it’s more complicated than that on two levels.
Firstly, sports drinks like Gatorade were formulated for a very specific kind of short term high intensity activity (specifically, playing football in Florida during the summer). But for lower intensity and longer term exercising (anything over two hours - long distance running / biking / swimming, most notably) its generally worse for you than water. So expressing a degree of skepticism is warranted. That’s doubly so in the face of endless marketing and native advertisement in sports media.
Secondly, when you get into the dietary sciences and start running into contradictions between the more well-established benefits of drinking water relative to the dubious claims of marketing agencies, it can easily become difficult to determine what is and is not bullshit. Because Google itself has been marketed as a valuable tool for research and analysis, and because so much of our academic infrastructure has been privatized (Google being a prime example), even the most intellectually curious and level headed can become overwhelmed with the task of “Doing Your Own Research”.
Flat earthers primary reason for believing the earth is flat is that otherwise water wouldn’t form puddles and lakes it would always be flowing downhill.
The primary reason for believing the Earth is flat is that the ground is flat in much of the country. People don’t natively intuit that the earth is round, they have to be told or to engage in some fairly non-intuitive experimentation. To grapple with the idea of a round earth, you have to start taking second and third hand accounts at face value or get reasonably good at geometry and have a certain bedrock faith in the accuracy of your calculations.
I’d argue that flat earthers are more curious and often more intelligent than their “I believe the earth is round cause that’s what they told me” set. And its often this curiosity - combined with some error in logic or bad initial data - that leads them to try and prove the unproveable so doggedly.
But so many people fall into the trap of believing intelligence leads to correctness. You can be very smart and still end up with a very wrong answer. What’s more, if you’re surrounded by people you don’t trust (because you believe you are smarter than them), it can be difficult to convince you of your own failings precisely because you don’t have enough of an intellectual peer base to understand your reasoning, spot the mistake, and demonstrate a counter-example.
its often this curiosity - combined with some error in logic or bad initial data - that leads them to try and prove the unproveable so doggedly.
You know what we call people who perform experimental tests on a given hypothesis?
Scientists
Scientists regularly get things wrong, which is why we have peer review.
The Flat Earther phenomenon is far more about a lack of trustworthy and accessible peer review than a critical mass of dumb people.
Whoa now, lets not give flat earthers so much credit. That doesnt even make sense within their own theories. Logic is not the point
Well it does. Here’s the logic, with proof by negation:
- Earth is round (assertion to disprove)
- Water flows around round objects
- Water doesn’t flow on the earth, it stays put, therefore the earth is not round
That’s as far as it goes.
water doesn’t flow aslong as you ignore all the flowing water
The topic is puddles/lakes, not rivers.
Step 2 seems like a big leap. Either with or without gravity, im not sure anyone had made the case that water flows around round objects. Unless youre talking about the cowanda effect, which i doubt flat earthers are aware of.
I want to be clear, im not ridiculing you or in any way attenpting to be disrespectful, i just dont think a group that prides themselves on not having logical consistency should be considered seriously because by engaging in intellectualism with flat earthers or seriously attempting to debunk them, you are adding to their legitmacy.
Youre effectively saying “this needs to be disproved” when instead the onus should be on them to prove it, and until they are serious with their arguments they shouldnt be taken as anything more than a meme.
I’m just saying that’s the general level of proof they have. They ignore important effects and focus purely on observations. Basically, the only way to really disprove them is to take them to space, and that’s obviously not happening.
I dont think taking them to space would prove anything. For the vast majority of them theyre willfully ignorant. Its not about whether what theyre saying is true or not, the just enjoy the story.
Most of them, sure, I’m talking about the ones who actually believe it.
It’s also how conspiracy theories spread.
People sharing it thinking it’s a joke.
the other factor is the ego-trip they go on because they are ‘special’ and ‘not sheep’.
“This is how conspiracy theorists actually think”
I’m not sure why this generalisation was required? Many ‘conspiracy theories’ have been proven to be true, and not ALL theorists believe ALL of the theories. It’s easy to discredit somebody when you label them something and then say that those that are labelled are idiots.
edit- downvoting something without replying to it is how you get an echo chamber
I also thought it was a bit of a weird tangent, but it makes sense. Maybe they have something fresh in mind that connected those dots for them.
I’d only make the distinction between what kind of conspiracy theories people believe in because some people fly straight into fantasy. If it’s about aliens and Flat Earth, there’s no reason to give the benefit of the doubt. These people have left reality and are in it for themselves for whatever personal reason, actively ignoring and denying contrary evidence. It wouldn’t surprise me if they knew they were being idiots.
That said, I’m only partial to some conspiracy theories that seem plausible, like COVID conspiracies that stem from ignorance of science and fear of technology. In that case, I will give the benefit of the doubt.
aliens
Eh, I think the alien ones are interesting. We know the government is hiding something, we just don’t know what, and if it was aliens, this is how I’d expect them to act. But it could also be a number of other things, and the evidence is usually quickly discredited by experts.
A better example would be something like Sasquatch.
I mean it does make me wonder why electrolyte water is good but sea/saltwater is bad. The types of salts? The ratio?
It’s got what plants crave!
Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
I refute this by raising you fluffy doggos. You can NEVER have enough fluffy doggos. Check mate atheists.
I think if a thousand fluffy doggos stacked on top of you, you’d find it too much!
Have you raised a puppy? They’re a handful. You can definitely have too many fluffy doggos.
The amount of salt. In an emergency you can stretch your drinking water with sea water. But it could obviously fire backwards.
It’s almost like the amount of salt matters.
Water: good
Hyperhydration: exists
The dose makes the poison.
After all breathing pure oxygen is incredibly bad for your health.
Everyone that has breathed oxygen has died or will die. Breathing oxygen is 100% fatal.
You don’t know that, there could be a baby born recently that will be the first to cryotech and then regenerative bodies.
Respiration must be the issue then.
Doesn’t matter … the heat death of the universe will claim all.
It’s even worse than that, recently I was reading about how we’re basically in the early stages of an explosion, and the stars are kind of like the initial sparks, which will “quickly” turn off and then it’s gonna be a looooong time of nothingness.
They would still die from multitude of reasons, like accidents, incurable illness, getting killed… and if that’s not enough, there’s still the heat death of the universe
Not neccassarily inescapable though. From my understanding you can pretty much stretch out time arbitrarily long by warping spacetime, you could make the heat death for your local area infinitely far in the future.
Theres also the possibility to escaping into a parallel reality that is younger or stable.
Physics thought experiments that people assume to be true; that’s just space fantasy.
And the kind
And the fact that you might drink electrolyte beverages after sweating.
Yup, human kidneys suck at efficiently filtering out salt and can only do so at a relatively low maximum concentration in the urine. The moment you take salt water that is of higher salt concentration than that, your body uses more water than what you took to eliminate that salt.
It’s what plants crave!
You can drink a little amount of salt water and probably come out ahead… Drink too much and you get into a death spiral though
Why
That is a good question for a nephrologist.
Because you can have a little salt, as a treat.
You certainly won’t regret drinking a half gallon of salt water
It’s your body doin homeostasis, hombre!
Because your kidneys can filter out a certain percentage of salt, and that’s based on the blood concentration
But if your blood goes above the level where the water is being drawn out of your cells and drying them out, you’ll be dehydrated from the inside out
Why
Salt is hydrophile, which means it attracts water.
- To much salt (outside cell) now attracts the water in the cell to the outside -> less water in cell, cell dehydrated.
- To little salt (outside cell): salt in cell attracts water from the outside, but now salt levels in the cell are diluted (these are actually needed in your cell to function).
- Just the right amount of salt: cells can now directly use the water without diluting the salts they contain and continue working as normal
Real worried we’re going to enter a Richard Feynman level why spiral
You only ever need 3 whys
Why?
I felt bad for the interviewer at first, until the guy really got into his explanation. He wasn’t being a dick, he was just saying “why” is a really deep question.
Yeah he does start out a bit blunt thankfully it had a point.
Why?
It’s simple homeostasis, homeslice!
because salt and water happen to be composed in such a way that they fit together nicely, and salt attracts the water in a similar way to a magnet. The positive and negative charges of the salt ions (Sodium+, Chloride–) fit into and attract the opposite charges of the water ions (Hydrogen–, Oxygen+).
Osmosis Jones, my man.
Drixenol
It’s from homeostasis, homefry!
Evolution and shit
Your body needs some salt, and it sweats out salt. So it needs to be replaced.
Isn’t this the plot of Idiocracy?
It’s a major plot point. Brawndo, the Thirst Mutilator, has been put into almost everything in place of water (“water, like from the toiler?”) And consequently kills the crops.
How the fuck would it even do that? It’s got what plants crave.
It’s got electrolytes
Fun fact: the further into the Baltic Sea you go (ie the farther you are from Copenhagen), the less salty it is. Around Stockholm iirc you can just drink the water straight up and rehydrate instead of dehydrating.
Yeah, but drinking the Baltic sea’s water, one of the most if not the most polluted sea of the world, will cause you other problems 😅
rehydrating and give you cancer :v
It will be rehydrating then dehydrating, as they’ll pass the following hours emptying their bowels.
what?
Isn’t American water usually more polluted near large industries?
What does America got to do with the Baltic Sea?
It is a continent on the other side of the planet.
And water is polluted next to every large industry.
The Danish people must be salty about that.
Maybe that’s why they like, the discussing thing that is, black licorice.
Delicious*
Autocorrect musta got you there
Thanks, I’m going to do just that!
How stupid do they think we are?
That’s not the question to ask. Anon should be asking: How stupid is everyone, as a group?
the thing a lot of people leave out is that… people will act stupidier than they are because it’s how they get social acceptance.
I’m sure most of us have been in situations where people agreed with the stupid people because it was more socially expedient. This is how stupid people and stupid ideas tend to take precedence.
I’ve had many partners break up with me because i refused to pretend to be stupid for the sake of their idiot spiritual guru friend.
Apparently there’s on average 3.5% salt in seawater, so you could probably drink
1 liter100 ml daily and be fine assuming you supplement it with something “else”. you know what…You won’t die immediately, but there’s no way that consuming 35g salt/day won’t lead to severe health issues down the line …
Yeah, you’re right, it was some really shotty early morning math, I was thinking 100 ml not a whole liter.
The outcome of your typo ended up being really interesting though!
35g of salt can be a lethal dose for a human of about 70kg, so no one’s going to last too long on this diet.
LD50 for a human of 70kg is 210g (3g salt per kg of human), so it seems rather unlikely that it will be lethal short-term (though always possible). It mostly becomes lethal when you don’t have any water that’s actually hydrating.
I think you may be thinking of the LD50 for rats. People have died from much less than 3g/kg.
The lethal dose was estimated to be less than 10 g of sodium (<5 teaspoons of salt) in two children, and less than 25 g sodium in four adults (<4 tablespoons of salt).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5537768/
An acute toxicity from excess sodium intake with the possibility of fatal outcome has been reported in relation to the ingestion of huge amounts of sodium, such as 0.5–1 g of salt/kg body weight.
You can’t supplement it with your urine, because your urine will be containing the salts you’re trying to get rid of.
If you had an ample supply of urine from someone who was extremely well hydrated, maybe.
But yeah no you shouldn’t be drinking seawater at all, it’s just too salty. You’re expending more water of get rid of the salt. Coffee or tea would be fine despite slight diuretic effects, but ocean water is just too salty.
…what if i’m a domestic cat?..
Is it pee
Not your own. Definitely not from anyone who has taken-up drinking seawater either.
H2O?
Depends on rest of diet and starting conditions and duration.
Like if in a highly glycolytic diet/state… severely not advisable to do large doses of salt. But if in ketosis, you’ve a far higher ceiling. 3.5g’s normal. 35g’s likely going too far even when in ketosis.
Just eat plain salt dude. Max electrolytes and hydration!
Ketchup is an energy drink.
Ketchup is basically just Extra Pulp V8.
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