• Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    I find it horrific that people can say this ugly shit out loud “pleased with ICE”… how does “being happy” with dehumanizing other people make you happy ?

    I need to throw up and have a long shower.

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      I bet if I sent this to either one of my parents, they’d be like, “yeah? me too.”

      I am super glad even as I came from white cis parents into a white cis town, I rolled homo and got the minority perspective because otherwise I’d be one of them. My mom really believes “democrats buy off blacks with welfare so they keep voting for them” and other such mind-bogglers I can’t anymore.

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    It’s almost as though state violence against people you have an abstract hatred of doesn’t actually help you in any way.

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    “I am pleased with the results on the border.”

    How are these people calling themselves Christians?

    Photo of migrant detention centers. Basically a cage with too many people inside

    This is where unlucky asylum seekers have to stay between 2 days to more than half a year. People entering as legally.

    You can’t bring any items like a book inside and you can’t leave except for food time in cafetaria like some prison with no yard-time. Just sit still and sleep until we process your papers in 4 months.

    Ours had walls instead of cage thankfully but toilet was inside with no door. This was the conditions in 2018.

    “Pleased” said the love-thy-neighbor Christian, “satisfied.”

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    These people are entirely motivated by hate. I knew that, but it’s kinda wild to see them admit it like this.

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    Linda at the bottom there “I am pleased with the extralegal concentration camps, mass deportations, and arrest/abduction of citizens who just aren’t white enough. The jackbooted thugs with no legal oversight or accountability are great. But what else has he done for me lately?”

    Fucking fascist ghoul

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      That was my favorite part too.

      “I haven’t noticed any real difference!” What… were you expecting?

      Hopefully her kids are embarrassed of her already and her legacy is “clueless dumbfuck”

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    Not really trying to hide the racism anymore, are they?

    I mean I’ve been paying attention to politics for the last 20-25 years now and I’ve known all along the Republican party had a racism problem, but the current boldness of it, almost flaunting of it, is still catching me by surprise.

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      I could have never imagined seeing the world’s wealthiest man fire off two seig heils on stage at a Presidential Inauguration (with literally nothing coming of it), back during GWB’s administration.

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        Faux news absolutely lost their fucking minds when Obama tossed a salute at a jarhead while gasp holding a coffee. Wave a sign of respect to one of your guards while being black…they scream for weeks.

        Actively salute a North Korean officer while being orange or seig heil while white and rich…totally patriotic and cool what’s he gonna do tomorrow.

        This shit is making me lose sanity

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        Nope.

        The goalposts have moved completely off the field at this point. It’s clear that conservatives cannot be trusted and should never, under any circumstances, be allowed to aggregate power.

        I can only hope it’s all so extreme that in the long run it helps bury this traitorous party and confine them to the shitpile of history.

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      You have to apply, like all paid jobs. They only accept minorities, not white ones. They bring face paint and other props so acting like you’ve been tear gassed looks realistic. You have know the director to get a brick to throw during the police encounter. All of this is /s FYI

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    I missed the ANTIFA riots. I guess Evan and I don’t get our news from the same sources.

    It’s amazing that this administration is so spectacularly bad that even its propaganda machine can’t hide it.

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      Worse, the antifa riots rethoric is held against them. It looks like people start to wonder why these riots were allowed to start under the current administration.

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        And who spells it in all caps? What does each letter stand for, Evan? Is it an acronym, or a portmanteau of anti-fascism? Evan is losing me, to be honest 😒

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      Did you not see the dancing dinosaurs, grannies, naked cyclists, and the chicken man viciously intimidating Kristi Nome?

      It’s awful out there. Truly terrifying.

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      I missed the ANTIFA riots.

      Conspiracy theories paint fraudulent reality of Jan. 6 riot

      Several different conspiracy theories have emerged in the year since the insurrection, according to an analysis of online content by media intelligence firm Zignal Labs on behalf of The Associated Press. Unfounded claims that the rioters were members of antifa went viral first, only to be overtaken by a baseless claim blaming FBI operatives.

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        Pretty sure they were referring to the protests in LA, Portland, etc. which conservative propaganda has successfully painted as “riots.”

        Jan 6 was almost 6 years ago, and these people are talking about the current regime.

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      Propublica just had an article where they dived into just fox news’ coverage of portland and apparently they spice up their footage with pictures of the 2020 riots every time they mention portland.

      To the point where it may be possible the city of portland could probably sue fox for defamation.

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    Okay like of course this perspective is vile. I would never defend it. The people I refer to below are not the same people represented in this tweet.

    But the right’s justification for anti immigration makes sense to people. Its the oldest trick in the book! Artificial scarcity? Housing crisis? Employment crisis? Some of us have a rigorous class analysis that can neatly disprove these lies, part of why red scares are such a fundamental component of the right’s culture war (a component many progressive liberals accept unquestioningly.)

    But for the average person who doesnt think about stuff that way, the working/middle class swing voter who is simultaneously directly affected by economic and political oppression but deeply confused about the underlying causes, how do we convince them? The pendulum has flipped and Trumps policies are deeply unpopular, but what is the convincing explanation that the whole basis of their logic is flawed? How do we prove that immigrants aren’t the problem?

    Its like in avengers, thanos says he will kill half of all people in order to end scarcity in the universe. And none of the heroes even questions his logic. The attitude is like, he’s a bad guy but it would still work. And, no it wouldn’t, scarcity in advanced society is driven by class, not population. Malthus was thoroughly disproved like 150 years ago and yet this myth persists (like the myth of immigration and race-based scarcity).

    Because as long as our political strategy amounts to “shame anyone who demonstrates an affective affinity with the right, and vote” we won’t be able to resist the creeping threat of fascism. In 5-10 years it will be full on Nazi shit and I dont want to die in a concentration camp please and thank you

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      I think you’re trying really fucking hard to pretend that there are people there worth saving and it eats at me that your perspective is not only popular, but common.

      These people are irredeemable. Their primary goals are to hurt others for their inalienable traits.

      You don’t need these people. When the common opinion was such that they had to hide their shitty opinions, everyone was better off for it.

      What you need, is people who don’t pay attention to pay attention. Stop focusing on the magas. You can never find compromise with them, nor convince them with reason, because all of the arguments they give are fundementally based on “I hate that person because they are the out group”.

      That trumps literally everything else to them, as you are clearly seeing here. They are not outliers. Thats the common maga mentality.

      You doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the common person just has to be good is a coping strategy that is killing you.

      Because as long as our political strategy amounts to “shame anyone who demonstrates an affective affinity with the right, and vote”

      When has that been anyones political strategy. Thats what the right says it is (instead its trying to sell people on a DNC lead democrat party that fundementally does not want to offer noteworthy change).

      Firstly, we should shame them, because the right wing is demonstrably awful, and pretending it has merit does no favours. That is what the DNC wants to do, and has done for the past… very long time.

      So shame is not the solution, but its also not the problem.

      Instead, the problem is that an average person here’s 2 people put up some arguments, doesnt think about it further, thinks “ah well both sides” and then stops thinking.

      Left leaning people often don’t help this as they screech more loudly about the party closest to actually being moldable into something positive than they do the party doing harm, which helps keep precisely the group they need to convince the most in that valley of “both people are shouting, both sides I guess” and then that person stops caring.

      Also,

      we won’t be able to resist the creeping threat of fascism.

      Creeping threat??? You’re currently trying to fight your way out and you call it a creeping threat. Just part of the problems.

      My opinion on the world is that 50% of people don’t really care all that much about anything and have an extremely mild positive bias, 30% of people are just awful, and focus more on hurting others than making things better, and then 20% are the inverse of the 30%.

      Your “solution” involves somehow convincing that 30% instead of figuring out whats stopping that 50% from figuring out how this will personally affect them, and to snap out of they’re “both sides” voter apathy/general apathy delusion.

      Part of the problem is that their position is self defeating. They think nothing works, everything is corrupt, and so there is no point doing anything, and that entrenches all of those problems, making them even worse.

      Thats the real struggle; getting them both to see the personal threat to themselves (as they don’t care about the larger picture) and then getting them to see that they do in fact have none bloody death alternatives to that.

      All of this just emphasizes how disastrous it was that the democrats folded and didn’t let people see the consequences of their actions with the government shutdown.

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        One thing alone would help shift the Overton Window MASSIVELY in a country like the USA - mandatory voting. If everyone who had the right to vote actually voted, Republicans would never hold federal government ever again and would only be able to hold onto a couple of states and a few dozen local governments across the nation.

        Without mandatory voting, Republicans can become more and more egregious in seeking to rally voters while simultaneously painting the whole establishment as broken which essentially disenfranchises the non-voting centre. With it, they’d have to seriously moderate their platforms to have any hope of forming government ever again. It would likely cause a party split that would then coalesce again into a two-party coalition on the right, starting the efforts to break down the two-party system.

        If you introduce ranked choice voting as well, that’ll speed up the dismantling of the two-party system, but just mandatory voting alone would prevent Trump and his ilk from ever being in power again.

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          One thing alone would help shift the Overton Window MASSIVELY in a country like the USA - mandatory voting. If everyone who had the right to vote actually voted, Republicans would never hold federal government ever again and would only be able to hold onto a couple of states and a few dozen local governments across the nation.

          The problem with “solutions” like this (and I actually don’t even think this would fix things vs any number of other solutions in a similar vein), is that these aren’t solutions. These are vague wishlist goals, and very much so have all the hard parts of getting there removed.

          Like I think every country having proportional representation would improve the quality of their politicians and government massively, but good luck getting the establishment politicians who benefit from the old system to give that up.

          If you introduce ranked choice voting as well,

          Im always super shocked at why anyone likes ranked choice voting. It doesnt actually solve the 2 party system at all.

          Proportional voting is what solves that. Ranked choice just means that 2 party system has a slightly higher chance of changing who the 2 parties are.

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            This is the part that always gets me laughing. At the level of effort that would be necessary to actually get voting reform, we might as well just overthrow the government. That is how difficult it would be, it would require a nationwide coordinated mass movement hitherto unseen in the United States, and it would only really solve one of our problems.

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      Um that’s a wee bit much IMO, but how refreshing that we’re allowed to speak so boldly here without getting banned, unlike cough reddit cough where everyone gets banned for breathing.