I think you’re trying really fucking hard to pretend that there are people there worth saving and it eats at me that your perspective is not only popular, but common.
These people are irredeemable. Their primary goals are to hurt others for their inalienable traits.
You don’t need these people. When the common opinion was such that they had to hide their shitty opinions, everyone was better off for it.
What you need, is people who don’t pay attention to pay attention. Stop focusing on the magas. You can never find compromise with them, nor convince them with reason, because all of the arguments they give are fundementally based on “I hate that person because they are the out group”.
That trumps literally everything else to them, as you are clearly seeing here. They are not outliers. Thats the common maga mentality.
You doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the common person just has to be good is a coping strategy that is killing you.
Because as long as our political strategy amounts to “shame anyone who demonstrates an affective affinity with the right, and vote”
When has that been anyones political strategy. Thats what the right says it is (instead its trying to sell people on a DNC lead democrat party that fundementally does not want to offer noteworthy change).
Firstly, we should shame them, because the right wing is demonstrably awful, and pretending it has merit does no favours. That is what the DNC wants to do, and has done for the past… very long time.
So shame is not the solution, but its also not the problem.
Instead, the problem is that an average person here’s 2 people put up some arguments, doesnt think about it further, thinks “ah well both sides” and then stops thinking.
Left leaning people often don’t help this as they screech more loudly about the party closest to actually being moldable into something positive than they do the party doing harm, which helps keep precisely the group they need to convince the most in that valley of “both people are shouting, both sides I guess” and then that person stops caring.
Also,
we won’t be able to resist the creeping threat of fascism.
Creeping threat??? You’re currently trying to fight your way out and you call it a creeping threat. Just part of the problems.
My opinion on the world is that 50% of people don’t really care all that much about anything and have an extremely mild positive bias, 30% of people are just awful, and focus more on hurting others than making things better, and then 20% are the inverse of the 30%.
Your “solution” involves somehow convincing that 30% instead of figuring out whats stopping that 50% from figuring out how this will personally affect them, and to snap out of they’re “both sides” voter apathy/general apathy delusion.
Part of the problem is that their position is self defeating. They think nothing works, everything is corrupt, and so there is no point doing anything, and that entrenches all of those problems, making them even worse.
Thats the real struggle; getting them both to see the personal threat to themselves (as they don’t care about the larger picture) and then getting them to see that they do in fact have none bloody death alternatives to that.
All of this just emphasizes how disastrous it was that the democrats folded and didn’t let people see the consequences of their actions with the government shutdown.
One thing alone would help shift the Overton Window MASSIVELY in a country like the USA - mandatory voting. If everyone who had the right to vote actually voted, Republicans would never hold federal government ever again and would only be able to hold onto a couple of states and a few dozen local governments across the nation.
Without mandatory voting, Republicans can become more and more egregious in seeking to rally voters while simultaneously painting the whole establishment as broken which essentially disenfranchises the non-voting centre. With it, they’d have to seriously moderate their platforms to have any hope of forming government ever again. It would likely cause a party split that would then coalesce again into a two-party coalition on the right, starting the efforts to break down the two-party system.
If you introduce ranked choice voting as well, that’ll speed up the dismantling of the two-party system, but just mandatory voting alone would prevent Trump and his ilk from ever being in power again.
One thing alone would help shift the Overton Window MASSIVELY in a country like the USA - mandatory voting. If everyone who had the right to vote actually voted, Republicans would never hold federal government ever again and would only be able to hold onto a couple of states and a few dozen local governments across the nation.
The problem with “solutions” like this (and I actually don’t even think this would fix things vs any number of other solutions in a similar vein), is that these aren’t solutions. These are vague wishlist goals, and very much so have all the hard parts of getting there removed.
Like I think every country having proportional representation would improve the quality of their politicians and government massively, but good luck getting the establishment politicians who benefit from the old system to give that up.
If you introduce ranked choice voting as well,
Im always super shocked at why anyone likes ranked choice voting. It doesnt actually solve the 2 party system at all.
Proportional voting is what solves that. Ranked choice just means that 2 party system has a slightly higher chance of changing who the 2 parties are.
This is the part that always gets me laughing. At the level of effort that would be necessary to actually get voting reform, we might as well just overthrow the government. That is how difficult it would be, it would require a nationwide coordinated mass movement hitherto unseen in the United States, and it would only really solve one of our problems.
I think you’re trying really fucking hard to pretend that there are people there worth saving and it eats at me that your perspective is not only popular, but common.
These people are irredeemable. Their primary goals are to hurt others for their inalienable traits.
You don’t need these people. When the common opinion was such that they had to hide their shitty opinions, everyone was better off for it.
What you need, is people who don’t pay attention to pay attention. Stop focusing on the magas. You can never find compromise with them, nor convince them with reason, because all of the arguments they give are fundementally based on “I hate that person because they are the out group”.
That trumps literally everything else to them, as you are clearly seeing here. They are not outliers. Thats the common maga mentality.
You doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the common person just has to be good is a coping strategy that is killing you.
When has that been anyones political strategy. Thats what the right says it is (instead its trying to sell people on a DNC lead democrat party that fundementally does not want to offer noteworthy change).
Firstly, we should shame them, because the right wing is demonstrably awful, and pretending it has merit does no favours. That is what the DNC wants to do, and has done for the past… very long time.
So shame is not the solution, but its also not the problem.
Instead, the problem is that an average person here’s 2 people put up some arguments, doesnt think about it further, thinks “ah well both sides” and then stops thinking.
Left leaning people often don’t help this as they screech more loudly about the party closest to actually being moldable into something positive than they do the party doing harm, which helps keep precisely the group they need to convince the most in that valley of “both people are shouting, both sides I guess” and then that person stops caring.
Also,
Creeping threat??? You’re currently trying to fight your way out and you call it a creeping threat. Just part of the problems.
My opinion on the world is that 50% of people don’t really care all that much about anything and have an extremely mild positive bias, 30% of people are just awful, and focus more on hurting others than making things better, and then 20% are the inverse of the 30%.
Your “solution” involves somehow convincing that 30% instead of figuring out whats stopping that 50% from figuring out how this will personally affect them, and to snap out of they’re “both sides” voter apathy/general apathy delusion.
Part of the problem is that their position is self defeating. They think nothing works, everything is corrupt, and so there is no point doing anything, and that entrenches all of those problems, making them even worse.
Thats the real struggle; getting them both to see the personal threat to themselves (as they don’t care about the larger picture) and then getting them to see that they do in fact have none bloody death alternatives to that.
All of this just emphasizes how disastrous it was that the democrats folded and didn’t let people see the consequences of their actions with the government shutdown.
One thing alone would help shift the Overton Window MASSIVELY in a country like the USA - mandatory voting. If everyone who had the right to vote actually voted, Republicans would never hold federal government ever again and would only be able to hold onto a couple of states and a few dozen local governments across the nation.
Without mandatory voting, Republicans can become more and more egregious in seeking to rally voters while simultaneously painting the whole establishment as broken which essentially disenfranchises the non-voting centre. With it, they’d have to seriously moderate their platforms to have any hope of forming government ever again. It would likely cause a party split that would then coalesce again into a two-party coalition on the right, starting the efforts to break down the two-party system.
If you introduce ranked choice voting as well, that’ll speed up the dismantling of the two-party system, but just mandatory voting alone would prevent Trump and his ilk from ever being in power again.
The problem with “solutions” like this (and I actually don’t even think this would fix things vs any number of other solutions in a similar vein), is that these aren’t solutions. These are vague wishlist goals, and very much so have all the hard parts of getting there removed.
Like I think every country having proportional representation would improve the quality of their politicians and government massively, but good luck getting the establishment politicians who benefit from the old system to give that up.
Im always super shocked at why anyone likes ranked choice voting. It doesnt actually solve the 2 party system at all.
Proportional voting is what solves that. Ranked choice just means that 2 party system has a slightly higher chance of changing who the 2 parties are.
This is the part that always gets me laughing. At the level of effort that would be necessary to actually get voting reform, we might as well just overthrow the government. That is how difficult it would be, it would require a nationwide coordinated mass movement hitherto unseen in the United States, and it would only really solve one of our problems.