Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can’t trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please… and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money… these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people… but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas… It’s Musk saying it so it’s only to further enrich himself and won’t actually happen.
LMAO! My friend, he’s just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can’t and won’t happen.
There are established methods of eliminating poverty. They are decried by the right-wing as bad.
Just look at why there are so few homeless and incarcerated people in the most developed European nations… they must be doing something right.
Is “Optimus” a brand of wood-chippers?
Mhm. Sure. I totally trust the guy who didn’t walk the talk when the UN presented him a plan for solving hunger.
Yup. That was 5 years ago and his fortune has like tripled since then. Well, his latest pay package is worth more than triple of what he was worth 5 years ago ($1 tn vs $300 bn).
We should totally trust him this time though!
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That’s not money, that’s power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn’t an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it’s power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
I still think there’s a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
- if you don’t do what I say, I’ll destroy you by doing XYZ.
- you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
- I can break the law because you can’t fucking touch me.
- Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there’s a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It’s not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It’d be more like if FSD wasn’t ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
Someone didn’t learn lessons from Wall-E. Who am I kidding, his ego is too inflated to learn.
Rich people will work to kill the poor off if they don’t need them anymore. This is very bad.
Delusional
The only way a world like this could happen is if the governments get onboard and do a UBI or similar thing.
What’s going to happen is the robots will get made (by someone, eventually) workforces will start laying people off and there won’t be anywhere near enough jobs.
Now there’s 2 options for the USA
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Government steps in does something to support people to have a comfortable (not poverty life)
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Government bends to the corpos and does nothing and poverty and suffering skyrockets.
For the USA at least, I can’t see them doing #1. It would take a revolution to make a change like that happen, and it’d be bloody.
Yeah, all this automation with robots and AIs could (and should) be good for all people. All it takes is distributing the value of that automated labor to all of them and not enrich a few selfish fucks. Of course none of them realize (or say aloud) that for that to happen, all the money their companies gain needs to be taken from them again (or they need to give it voluntarily).
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He also said in his shareholder speech that Optimus would replace the penal system by following offenders around to prevent them committing crimes. He’s a fucking moron who’s been about to get away with making up complete bullshit to pump Tesla’s stock price for years and for some reason people STILL treat him with credulity.
I’m not sure if this kind of thing is just about enriching himself. Of course that’s a big part of it. But he also wants to be a great man of history. He wants to be the person who saves the world. He wants to be forever remembered as the greatest hero who ever lived.
He won’t, of course. Because he’s a clueless idiot. A clueless idiot who managed to fuck up his own PR so hard that he’s burnt away the reputation as a genius that he used to have.
But he really does want to be adored.
In late October 2021, Elon Musk was challenged to end world hunger by David Beasley, the director of the UN’s World Food Programme. Beasley claimed that a small portion of Musk’s wealth could solve world hunger, and Musk responded on Twitter that he would sell Tesla stock to do so, provided the UN could provide a detailed, transparent accounting of how the $6 billion would be spent. The WFP then released a plan, but Musk did not donate the money.
just about enriching himself. Of course that’s a big part of it.
Can’t make the big changes without big $$$ to make things happen.
Unfortunately, he looks like a delusional moron with the life experience and grasp on reality of a suburban 14 year old. So, a couple of good ideas in there, but absolute disconnect from the realpolitik necessary to effect true change.
Now you put a stupid idea in front of me of Musk doing shit for the common folk just because no one in the higher class wants to have to deal with him, just to stroke his ego and make it to history books.
Ultimate pettiness that would benefit the whole world.
Worst part is, some naive part of me believes this idiot is capable of that. xD
Or just give all your money away to poor people. By my calculations that would be about $25k per poor adult.
So he is investing in armed robots that just kill the poor to end poverty?
That’s an extremely hopeful outcome if robots take on jobs.
What I see is robots taking all low education/automation jobs, companies still making consumers pay the same (or more) and making a bigger profit, and compaines only hiring people with over experience and over education (don’t forget connections- most people I know get high paying jobs this way). Education itself is in peril as well, due to the use of ai to write papers and complete math problems. Not to mention that teachers now use it to grade work (true story… a friends academic writing teacher admitted to this…)
He’s talking about a system to eliminate, not support and elevate the poor here, mark my words. Do not give this brain-damaged, broke-dick, eternally divorced Lex Luthor anything but sentencing for crimes against humanity.
a system to eliminate, not support and elevate the poor here
If you look at human population growth and resource consumption over the past 500 years, the curve can’t continue - we’ll need thousands of Earths within the next 1000 years, and Warp drive just isn’t ready yet.
If “being poor” means living like the bottom 20% of the U.S., then, yes, the poor must be eliminated somehow. Pesky thing about the poor, they still have children, often at higher than replacement rates. It’s good for happiness from relative circumstances: lots of people “born poor” can work their way into a better condition for them and their children, but it’s an unsustainable model. Just like capitalism in general.
