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  • I agree with most of what you said, but I’m a little confused by this section:

    On the other hand, Palestinians were very welcoming to the first Jewish immigrants. Their violence started long after the colonial violence of the Zionists. If you want to learn more, I recommend Ten Myths about Israel by Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historic an who says he loves his people but also every other people.

    Whatever your views of post 1948 Israel, Jews and Arabs were both regularly killing each other in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

    Additionally during the Ottoman empire, when modern Zionism and Jewish immigration started, Jews were moving there fleeing persecution in Russia and Europe. They were a poor underclass when they arrived. Not all Jewish immigrants were Zionist, history suggests most were not. But even those that were, were met with Syrian and Arab nationalists that wished to keep the Ottoman empire Arab. Jews created their own defense very early on in a handful of small farming communities.

    The history leading up to the creation of Israel is really not pretty for anyone, Jews or Arab. But you seem to be painting a picture where “loving Arabs opened their arms and welcomed in the Jews only to be betrayed.” That doesn’t seem to be how history is recorded. It seems problematic to paint history through a modern lens, if Israel was never created we would be recounting all of the awful things Jews endured under Ottoman rule and Mandated Palestine.

    The problem is really with the creation of 2 states. Most Jews would have likely slowly integrated if Israel was never created. But by creating Israel they emboldened the Zionist nationalists. To me the real issue is with the creation of a Jewish state at the detriment of non Jews living there. We need a 1 state solution.





  • I guess it depends on what you mean by almost done. They’ve taken 50% of the land in gaza. They’ve killed 3% of the Gaza strip and .06% of the West Bank. These are massive extinction events by population percentage, but the Palestinians are still very much there. As soon as people give up, the Palestinians are in a much much worse state than they already are.

    It won’t be as easy for them to push through the other 50% without displacing or killing 2 million people, which is a world of difference from 70,000. I’m not optimistic, but I also don’t see a current path for Israel to “finish the genocide” that doesn’t simultaneously eliminate a large percentage of their remaining political and economic power in the process. On the other hand fascist counties aren’t know to act rational. Either way, this genocide is far from over. Imo, it will last at least another decade, if not much longer, if it’s bent on geographic, cultural, and/or population annihilation. I think there is at least some hope that the political winds can change before that happens.







  • Not a huge fan of Chomsky as a person, even if he’s said things I agree with. But it’s worth considering that he was extremely critical of the exact apparatus that is reporting his demise. Not saying he wasn’t a creep, he was arrogant enough to be, but this could all be fiction. Also plenty of people knew Epstein that were not part of his extracurriculars. As much as I want to see a lot of these rich fucks squirm, we really lack incriminating info. And even if we had it, I’m not sure I trust the current people handling the documents.






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    I don’t follow this either, but devils advocate, a review would find no wrongdoing without evidence beyond someones word. But just because something isn’t provable, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. At my workplace there is a tenured professor that has been harassing people into quitting for 30 years, and they still don’t have “evidence” beyond someones word, not enough to get around tenure. If they were forced to give a statement they would likely say no wrongdoing.


  • Upper middle class, used to be poor. I’ve been fighting for things my whole life that would disadvantage our current comfort if they were put in place. I also just helped organize a union at work, because most of my coworkers make half what I make (I’m not in management, but with a tech salary). In contract negotiations. We are not all shitty, though many of my neighbors in a nice neighborhood are greedy trumpists, whining about the scary poors, so I could certainly understand some animosity towards people who enjoy comfort in this shitty economy. But I think many people that grow up poor and get money remember what it means to be poor.