First of all, that was like, what? 2-3 months ago? Sorry, I haven’t been keeping tabs on the situation since then but I’m definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.
Second, a single incident like this one doesn’t skew the overall statistics much – as long as it remains isolated. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE. If the facts are correct and she is a U.S. citizen, I hope she sues for damages and wins. At the very least she should be compensated for the damage to her car, plus the emotional trauma, physical injuries (if there were any), and any time she may have missed at work.
ICE was clearly at fault here, and they should be held accountable for that. They are supposed to be working FOR U.S. citizens after all, not against them.
Yes, clearly you have not been keeping tabs if you suggest it’s an isolated incident. Spoiler: It’s fucking not. And how the fuck have you not been paying attention?
How would you know if people being detained have committed a crime when ICE and the government are not allowing those people due process? What happened to being ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?’
Because ICE still have to verify their identify before being allowed to continue processing them. Every report I’ve read so far, even the worst ones, stated that detainees were released as soon as they could establish legal immigration status.
Remember, their only job is to enforce immigration law, nothing else. As for the immigrants who ARE criminals, we know that because they have prior convictions which WERE tried in a court of law.
Fun fact: you can’t sue CBP or ICE for civil rights violations. Federal law enforcement is immune from suit. The federal law established to let people sue individual state actors for civil rights violation in a federal court doesn’t include federal actors.
42 USC §1983:
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress…
I haven’t been keeping tabs on the situation since then and I’m definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.
The facts haven’t changed since then. This isn’t an isolated incident. This has been going on regularly across the country. This is what ICE’s role under trump has been since day 1. This was happening 2-3 months ago. The only thing that changed is that they recently ramped up their budget.
Brother, you live in a Lemmy group that is basically dedicated entirely to documenting every single fuckup of theirs. Even if there are many, do you know how many operations they’ve done that didn’t end up victimizing any innocent bystanders?
Because that’s the information I’d like to see if you want to convince me. What percentage of ICE ops fucks up this badly, and is it on the rise, or are we just seeing more fuckups because they are doing more ops?
I do want to also leave a comment that there is value in questioning narratives. Some people see a headline and believe it without question. I also use your same argument when my MAGA cousin throws a negative headline my way about immigrants, trans, or whatever the hot topic on Fox News is.
What I do to strengthen that argument is add other data and sources. Like, if it is about an immigrant committing a crime, I will include a study that shows immigrants are less likely to commit a crime, and actually more likely to be victim of a crime.
Idk, I just didn’t want to only pile on a ‘you’re wrong’ type of comment, but also encourage free thinking which is essentially the premise your comment is based on.
If you are looking for evidence that things like this are not just a series of individual bad actors, they also coordinated efforts to get into a helicopter, rappel down, and remove basically an entire apartment complex of citizens and alleged non-citizens alike from their homes out into the street. Some had to sit outside naked because they were not given time to put on clothing.
Thank you for your honest reply. If this was an isolated incident, why did the goons feel safe and justified immediately pointing live firearms at someone they already knew was innocent? And why did the people who hired them immediately double down with false statements about the incident that contradict reality? Perhaps the issue is systemic? Can you describe how the combination of the actions of these goons and their bosses later is “for US citizens” when there was literally no way for the goons to know the citizenship status of someone they just blatantly crashed their car into?
Can you describe how the combination of the actions of these goons and their bosses later is “for US citizens” when there was literally know way for the goons to know the citizenship status of someone they just blatantly crashed their car into?
Yeah, that’s a good point. She probably didn’t have her passport on her, that’s likely why they took her into custody and then let her go after verifying her status. But like, this probably wouldn’t have happened with the regular police, they would’ve just radioed in her DL# and had the station confirm her status without her even having to get out of her car (actually, most have a laptop in their car and can probably even do it right at the scene).
As for why they acted this way, I can only assume that it is because they are running on a LOT of adrenaline, since they often are doing high stakes operations, so perhaps their nerves just got the better of them. Still, they definitely how her restitution and an apology. But yeah, if this becomes the norm rather than the exception, something should definitely be done to reign them back in.
I’m assuming they were on their way somewhere else and the accident was a genuine mistake on their part (which they clearly handled very badly), mainly because they clearly seemed to be intent on just driving away until they noticed they were being filmed.
However, if you have any evidence that they were targeting her specifically, and they rammed her car on purpose in order to get her to stop, I’m all eyes and ears.
you only assume all of that because you want to justify these cowards
I guess according to you, they had a traffic aCciDEnt and then proceeded to beat and kidnap the woman they just rammed into… and thenelied about it to claim she tried to run them over?… and this is acceptable to you?
Doesn’t that make it worse? They tried to hit and run, realised they were being filmed, and decided instead to violently detain someone for no apparent reason.
It’s also taking a lot of supposition that they were on their way to catch ‘bad guys’ already pumped with adrenaline and making mistakes, rather than the simpler explanation that this is just how they operate.
Just a minute ago, you were trying to convince me that violently pulling her out of the car was the worst thing they did, now we’re back to the hit-and-run, which we already discussed at the beginning of the thread. We’re kinda going in circles, aren’t we?
And no, I’m not trying to excuse that either. They should have enough professionalism to admit when they fucked up, and be required to pay some sort of restitution so she can fix her car and pay for her medical bills.
However, there might be more to the story that we don’t really know about, due to the lack of evidence about what happened right before the crash. At the bottom of the article, it states that ICE additionally accused her of having used her car to block their agents from getting through. While we can clearly see that the allegations that she rammed them on purpose are false, there is not enough evidence here to verify or dismiss that claim, but even interfering with them passively is something they are allowed to detain people for, if only temporarily.
Check who you’re replying to, that was my first comment in the thread. My point was that you’re doing a lot of stretching to come up with reasons why all of their conduct was fine. They hit her, but it’s OK because she was maybe blocking them. They were going go hit and run, but it’s OK because they’ve got important business to get to. They dragged her out the car and detained her, but it’s OK because they let her go several hours later (ignoring the lack of a real reason to detain her in the first place).
How can you watch videos like this and your first response to be to leap to the defence of ICE?
They didn’t take long enough to get any information from her. They surrounded her with weapons drawn, opened the door, and dragged her out. I didn’t see them asking for ID. Also, nobody is expected to carry a passport. That insane.
You’re trying to come up with excuses. I get it. It’s hard to admit you were wrong. However, your previous opinions don’t define you as a person. Dismissing them is fine. It only makes you stronger. A lot of people, especially now, attach who they are as a person to the opinions that they hold, and they feel attacked when asked to address it. You shouldn’t feel this way though. That doesn’t define you. You’re allowed to, and should be expected to, learn and change as you gain new knowledge.
Yes, that’s what I was saying (though I guess if you’re Hispanic-looking and you live in a hot spot for ICE operations, it might be a pretty good idea to carry with you just in case).
Forget the passport, that was a dumb idea. You can get a driver’s license with RealID (which is becoming the norm in most states anyhow), or if that doesn’t work, apparently giving them your SSN is enough for them to verify your citizenship status.
Garcia said he was released from the vehicle where he was held after he gave the arresting officials his Social Security number, which showed he is a U.S. citizen.
Yeah, like I already said, if this was a genuine mistake on their part, as it appears to be, they should definitely have to pay for her damages, as well as any medical bills and missed time at work. No question about that.
I am a US citizen, and I don’t have a passport. I’m white, so I don’t have anything to worry about. I have an adopted sister who is Hispanic though, and she doesn’t have one either. I’ve been trying to convince her to get one and keep it on her person.
We live in a red state, so we’re not an ICE hot spot like Chicago is. But they are still around. They are everywhere.
If she gets arrested and released, that would be bad. But how many people are being disappeared to foreign countries they aren’t even from? That’s my biggest fear
Valid fear. Though, I suspect that if that is happening, it likely doesn’t matter if she’s legal or not. She’s still brown. Which is clearly the criteria they’re working with.
And just so we’re clear, I’m NOT defending their actions. I’m just defining how they think. I happen to think how they think is disgusting.
First of all, that was like, what? 2-3 months ago? Sorry, I haven’t been keeping tabs on the situation since then but I’m definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.
Second, a single incident like this one doesn’t skew the overall statistics much – as long as it remains isolated. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE. If the facts are correct and she is a U.S. citizen, I hope she sues for damages and wins. At the very least she should be compensated for the damage to her car, plus the emotional trauma, physical injuries (if there were any), and any time she may have missed at work.
ICE was clearly at fault here, and they should be held accountable for that. They are supposed to be working FOR U.S. citizens after all, not against them.
Yes, clearly you have not been keeping tabs if you suggest it’s an isolated incident. Spoiler: It’s fucking not. And how the fuck have you not been paying attention?
How would you know if people being detained have committed a crime when ICE and the government are not allowing those people due process? What happened to being ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?’
Because ICE still have to verify their identify before being allowed to continue processing them. Every report I’ve read so far, even the worst ones, stated that detainees were released as soon as they could establish legal immigration status.
Remember, their only job is to enforce immigration law, nothing else. As for the immigrants who ARE criminals, we know that because they have prior convictions which WERE tried in a court of law.
Fun fact: you can’t sue CBP or ICE for civil rights violations. Federal law enforcement is immune from suit. The federal law established to let people sue individual state actors for civil rights violation in a federal court doesn’t include federal actors.
42 USC §1983:
The facts haven’t changed since then. This isn’t an isolated incident. This has been going on regularly across the country. This is what ICE’s role under trump has been since day 1. This was happening 2-3 months ago. The only thing that changed is that they recently ramped up their budget.
Brother, you live in a Lemmy group that is basically dedicated entirely to documenting every single fuckup of theirs. Even if there are many, do you know how many operations they’ve done that didn’t end up victimizing any innocent bystanders?
Because that’s the information I’d like to see if you want to convince me. What percentage of ICE ops fucks up this badly, and is it on the rise, or are we just seeing more fuckups because they are doing more ops?
I do want to also leave a comment that there is value in questioning narratives. Some people see a headline and believe it without question. I also use your same argument when my MAGA cousin throws a negative headline my way about immigrants, trans, or whatever the hot topic on Fox News is.
What I do to strengthen that argument is add other data and sources. Like, if it is about an immigrant committing a crime, I will include a study that shows immigrants are less likely to commit a crime, and actually more likely to be victim of a crime.
Idk, I just didn’t want to only pile on a ‘you’re wrong’ type of comment, but also encourage free thinking which is essentially the premise your comment is based on.
If you are looking for evidence that things like this are not just a series of individual bad actors, they also coordinated efforts to get into a helicopter, rappel down, and remove basically an entire apartment complex of citizens and alleged non-citizens alike from their homes out into the street. Some had to sit outside naked because they were not given time to put on clothing.
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/10/7/chicago
Thank you for your honest reply. If this was an isolated incident, why did the goons feel safe and justified immediately pointing live firearms at someone they already knew was innocent? And why did the people who hired them immediately double down with false statements about the incident that contradict reality? Perhaps the issue is systemic? Can you describe how the combination of the actions of these goons and their bosses later is “for US citizens” when there was literally no way for the goons to know the citizenship status of someone they just blatantly crashed their car into?
Yeah, that’s a good point. She probably didn’t have her passport on her, that’s likely why they took her into custody and then let her go after verifying her status. But like, this probably wouldn’t have happened with the regular police, they would’ve just radioed in her DL# and had the station confirm her status without her even having to get out of her car (actually, most have a laptop in their car and can probably even do it right at the scene).
As for why they acted this way, I can only assume that it is because they are running on a LOT of adrenaline, since they often are doing high stakes operations, so perhaps their nerves just got the better of them. Still, they definitely how her restitution and an apology. But yeah, if this becomes the norm rather than the exception, something should definitely be done to reign them back in.
I guess pulling petite unarmed women by the hair would constitute “high stakes operations” for cowards
I’m assuming they were on their way somewhere else and the accident was a genuine mistake on their part (which they clearly handled very badly), mainly because they clearly seemed to be intent on just driving away until they noticed they were being filmed.
However, if you have any evidence that they were targeting her specifically, and they rammed her car on purpose in order to get her to stop, I’m all eyes and ears.
A person who apologizes for nazi’s, is a nazi, too! Hey, nazi?
you only assume all of that because you want to justify these cowards
I guess according to you, they had a traffic aCciDEnt and then proceeded to beat and kidnap the woman they just rammed into… and thenelied about it to claim she tried to run them over?… and this is acceptable to you?
kindly go fuck yourself
Doesn’t that make it worse? They tried to hit and run, realised they were being filmed, and decided instead to violently detain someone for no apparent reason.
It’s also taking a lot of supposition that they were on their way to catch ‘bad guys’ already pumped with adrenaline and making mistakes, rather than the simpler explanation that this is just how they operate.
Just a minute ago, you were trying to convince me that violently pulling her out of the car was the worst thing they did, now we’re back to the hit-and-run, which we already discussed at the beginning of the thread. We’re kinda going in circles, aren’t we?
And no, I’m not trying to excuse that either. They should have enough professionalism to admit when they fucked up, and be required to pay some sort of restitution so she can fix her car and pay for her medical bills.
However, there might be more to the story that we don’t really know about, due to the lack of evidence about what happened right before the crash. At the bottom of the article, it states that ICE additionally accused her of having used her car to block their agents from getting through. While we can clearly see that the allegations that she rammed them on purpose are false, there is not enough evidence here to verify or dismiss that claim, but even interfering with them passively is something they are allowed to detain people for, if only temporarily.
Check who you’re replying to, that was my first comment in the thread. My point was that you’re doing a lot of stretching to come up with reasons why all of their conduct was fine. They hit her, but it’s OK because she was maybe blocking them. They were going go hit and run, but it’s OK because they’ve got important business to get to. They dragged her out the car and detained her, but it’s OK because they let her go several hours later (ignoring the lack of a real reason to detain her in the first place).
How can you watch videos like this and your first response to be to leap to the defence of ICE?
They didn’t take long enough to get any information from her. They surrounded her with weapons drawn, opened the door, and dragged her out. I didn’t see them asking for ID. Also, nobody is expected to carry a passport. That insane.
You’re trying to come up with excuses. I get it. It’s hard to admit you were wrong. However, your previous opinions don’t define you as a person. Dismissing them is fine. It only makes you stronger. A lot of people, especially now, attach who they are as a person to the opinions that they hold, and they feel attacked when asked to address it. You shouldn’t feel this way though. That doesn’t define you. You’re allowed to, and should be expected to, learn and change as you gain new knowledge.
Hey, quick question, honest question. How heavy are those goalposts? I figure you’d be the one to ask since you have some experience in moving them.
Wut? Most citizens don’t carry their passports around in their home country.
Yes, that’s what I was saying (though I guess if you’re Hispanic-looking and you live in a hot spot for ICE operations, it might be a pretty good idea to carry with you just in case).
Dude!
Can you still feel yourself?
Forget the passport, that was a dumb idea. You can get a driver’s license with RealID (which is becoming the norm in most states anyhow), or if that doesn’t work, apparently giving them your SSN is enough for them to verify your citizenship status.
Oh yes, land of the free! Carry your papers or else something bad might happen.
What if they declare your passport fake like real IDs?
Did you actually read the article?
Forget the passport. Apparently it’s that easy.
Who’s paying for the vehicle damage?
What happens when the victim is late for work?
That doesn’t sound easy all.
Yeah, like I already said, if this was a genuine mistake on their part, as it appears to be, they should definitely have to pay for her damages, as well as any medical bills and missed time at work. No question about that.
I am a US citizen, and I don’t have a passport. I’m white, so I don’t have anything to worry about. I have an adopted sister who is Hispanic though, and she doesn’t have one either. I’ve been trying to convince her to get one and keep it on her person.
We live in a red state, so we’re not an ICE hot spot like Chicago is. But they are still around. They are everywhere.
If she gets arrested and released, that would be bad. But how many people are being disappeared to foreign countries they aren’t even from? That’s my biggest fear
Valid fear. Though, I suspect that if that is happening, it likely doesn’t matter if she’s legal or not. She’s still brown. Which is clearly the criteria they’re working with.
And just so we’re clear, I’m NOT defending their actions. I’m just defining how they think. I happen to think how they think is disgusting.
Is this also protecting US citizens? https://lemmy.world/post/38281052
I’d wager they think yes because “muh gunz”