I haven’t been keeping tabs on the situation since then and I’m definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.
The facts haven’t changed since then. This isn’t an isolated incident. This has been going on regularly across the country. This is what ICE’s role under trump has been since day 1. This was happening 2-3 months ago. The only thing that changed is that they recently ramped up their budget.
Brother, you live in a Lemmy group that is basically dedicated entirely to documenting every single fuckup of theirs. Even if there are many, do you know how many operations they’ve done that didn’t end up victimizing any innocent bystanders?
Because that’s the information I’d like to see if you want to convince me. What percentage of ICE ops fucks up this badly, and is it on the rise, or are we just seeing more fuckups because they are doing more ops?
I do want to also leave a comment that there is value in questioning narratives. Some people see a headline and believe it without question. I also use your same argument when my MAGA cousin throws a negative headline my way about immigrants, trans, or whatever the hot topic on Fox News is.
What I do to strengthen that argument is add other data and sources. Like, if it is about an immigrant committing a crime, I will include a study that shows immigrants are less likely to commit a crime, and actually more likely to be victim of a crime.
Idk, I just didn’t want to only pile on a ‘you’re wrong’ type of comment, but also encourage free thinking which is essentially the premise your comment is based on.
If you are looking for evidence that things like this are not just a series of individual bad actors, they also coordinated efforts to get into a helicopter, rappel down, and remove basically an entire apartment complex of citizens and alleged non-citizens alike from their homes out into the street. Some had to sit outside naked because they were not given time to put on clothing.
The facts haven’t changed since then. This isn’t an isolated incident. This has been going on regularly across the country. This is what ICE’s role under trump has been since day 1. This was happening 2-3 months ago. The only thing that changed is that they recently ramped up their budget.
Brother, you live in a Lemmy group that is basically dedicated entirely to documenting every single fuckup of theirs. Even if there are many, do you know how many operations they’ve done that didn’t end up victimizing any innocent bystanders?
Because that’s the information I’d like to see if you want to convince me. What percentage of ICE ops fucks up this badly, and is it on the rise, or are we just seeing more fuckups because they are doing more ops?
I do want to also leave a comment that there is value in questioning narratives. Some people see a headline and believe it without question. I also use your same argument when my MAGA cousin throws a negative headline my way about immigrants, trans, or whatever the hot topic on Fox News is.
What I do to strengthen that argument is add other data and sources. Like, if it is about an immigrant committing a crime, I will include a study that shows immigrants are less likely to commit a crime, and actually more likely to be victim of a crime.
Idk, I just didn’t want to only pile on a ‘you’re wrong’ type of comment, but also encourage free thinking which is essentially the premise your comment is based on.
If you are looking for evidence that things like this are not just a series of individual bad actors, they also coordinated efforts to get into a helicopter, rappel down, and remove basically an entire apartment complex of citizens and alleged non-citizens alike from their homes out into the street. Some had to sit outside naked because they were not given time to put on clothing.
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/10/7/chicago